ScottishRed

12 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

You read about it regularly now where the agent will talk to the club and essentially agree with club that personal terms could be met

I disagree, that used to be the case, it is extremely rare now. 

4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Feels unlikely Wolves are going to give up now, and will meet our valuation shortly. 

I do wonder whether, given their long-term interest, Alex has already agreed terms with them. Possible. 

@Kid in the Riot you know how it works now mate with the rise of the power of the agent. 

Long before any deal has been agreed between the clubs, and this is on any decent sized transfer not just Alex, the player will know via his agent what club x is offering as a package. Indeed the agent will have negotiated that package with club x and the player without the player having had any ‘direct’ conversation.

The agent will also have made club x very aware of what the selling club will accept, not just the overall fee but also the payment profile.

The player will know exactly what to expect if he gets permission to speak to club x.

Going back a good while transfers would regularly fall through because terms with the player could not be agreed. That is almost unheard of now. 

Once a fee is agreed and the player goes to speak to club x the money side will already be in place.

3 minutes ago, Pearsonistheman said:

Teams he may go to and ku throughts on them as a move -

Bournemouth - close to home, by the sea which I assume he likes, will play week jn week out you’d think.

Wolves - crap area, think they may struggle next season.

Brighton - good club, be a good move and would play a fair bit.

West Ham - got the Rice money burning a hole. European football so would more than likely get his chances. Draw of London if he wants that.

Liverpool - see Fabio Carvaliho for reference I wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole.

Spurs - can’t see them going to a player like Scott but then again they did similar with Ali. Wouldn’t be a starter.

In conclusion -

If I was him I’d be looking at Bournemouth and Brighton or West Ham If London is a attraction. 

 

For Carvaliho I raise you Harvey Elliott. 

If the rumors are true and Fabinho is off to Saudi with Henderson likely to follow ( £700k a week would be hard to turn down for any player) Liverpool need midfielders which may bring them into the race.

It wouldn’t be my first choice for the lad ( not that my view is remotely relevant), but Wolves could be a smart move.

Top class and experienced manager, which is a huge positive for a young player. I expect he would also get a lot of game time. 

The real negative I have is that they don’t appear to be a ‘settled’ club.  There always appears to be negative stuff floating around.

That is very sad to hear.

My thoughts are with his family and friends.

RIP fellow Red

1 hour ago, petehinton said:

But is basically the closest team possible to friends and family in Guernsey, which may mean a lot to him   

It might do, he is a young lad so could be a factor.

However, given the amount of money he is likely to be earning very soon, a private plane ride from London for example, is unlikely to trouble his bank account too much.

1 hour ago, Southport Red said:

Wow!  Just wow!  How can anyone believe that tripe?

Despite the fact that he played for them I always had a grudging respect for him.

He made the most of the limited abilities he had and had a good career.

I echo the thoughts of others, social media is an utter cesspit and it gives a vehicle for people, particularly those with a profile, to spout whatever nonsense they feel like saying. It is particularly dangerous as the reach is potentially unlimited and people can ‘broadcast’ even when intoxicated or in distress.

That is very different to someone talking nonsense in the pub after too many Thatchers.

I am a little concerned about him.

I have no issue with what he said at all. He has every right to go wherever he wants to.

He is a decent player and , more importantly, a decent person but I think coming back would have been a mistake for both parties.

I wish him well, apart from the obvious.

42 minutes ago, Tangle Foot said:

His value could quite conceivably increase, if Scott plays well between the start of the season, and the January transfer window.

Clubs do love to panic buy in January!

COYR.

The clubs that do that in the EPL tend to be concerned about relegation, not a particularly attractive option for Alex at this stage of his career, and not one that he would be likely to take.

Real Madrid are well known for the ‘assistance’ they receive from the Spanish government. Anyone recall the astronomical profit they made selling their old training ground to the council so they could turn it into......a car park!

They were key movers in the failed Super League project with the driver being extra revenue, obviously, to negate the financial power of the EPL.

They have already bought Bellingham and clearly want Mbappe.

On the pitch they are miles behind Man City, I watched both of the CL semi’s and it was men against boys.That is not something that they  will not try to address. I have always felt that they get an easy ride regarding FFP which is much more stringent than in the England.

It will be interesting to observe how this plays out.

According to reports Mitrovich is the next target. Fulham have allegedly knocked back a £25m bid.

1 hour ago, Monkeh said:

But why would they? The last doughnut in the shop is a pound, some one offers a pound, do you come in and offer one fifty? No because it makes no sense, it isn't a auction, 

Why can't people grasp basic economics, it's mind bending

Simply because you are wrong.

Using your analogy, you go into the bakers to buy the last doughnut for £1 but just before you complete the transaction I come into the shop and want that doughnut, so I offer £1.50. The baker will then accept my offer too and let the doughnut decide where it goes.

The reason it is an auction is because more than one party wants the doughnut.

Supply and demand, it’s one of the basic elements of economics. 

10 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

That's not how a bidding war works, if any club came in with 25 million we'd accept it, why then would another club come in with more money?

In order for a bidding war to start we'd have to reject the offer of 25 million, and as we've set that as his price we wouldn't reject that bid,

 

Don’t think that is true. If a club offers £25m I am sure we would except it, but that does not make it nessecarily a binding contract.

There would be nothing to stop another club offering £26m possibly after missing out on another target.

In all of this nothing is set in stone until Alex signs a contract.

Witness Joe Bryan agreeing to go to Villa then legging it down the M1 when Fulham made, I assume, a more attractive offer. The better offer does not need to be higher wages.

16 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

Don't know if it has been mentioned but Bournemouth have signed a midfielder for 12million and immediately loaned him out to a french club for the season. Never thought I would see the day when they could afford to do that. Almost Chelseaesque.

Same owner. Probably plays a big part in that.

6 minutes ago, Bris Red said:

Surely he can do better than Bournemouth? Problem is if though that if they meet the valuation i really don’t see the club standing in his way..

I wouldn’t think they would but obviously he does not need to agree to the move.

He comes across as a smart and grounded young man, and whist the money will be attractive, he will know that it will be coming his way soon no matter what.

11 minutes ago, Negan said:

Such a risk for him going there. Genuinely think it would be an awful move. It’s incredibly hard for any player to stand out in a Bournemouth team. They will more than likely go down so he’s back at championship level after what will be a rough season in the prem so doubt he’ll get a move away to stay at the top. Genuinely think it’s better he stays here for another 12 months and see what happens after that. Bournemouth, Luton and Sheffield United are all clubs he needs to avoid. No good making such an important move in his career to any of them, hold out for that next level of team. If he truly believes in himself he’ll get a better move, going to Bournemouth doesn’t progress his career at all. Just gets a rotational spot in a team that’s finishing in the bottom 5. 

Don’t disagree with any of that. I think Alex’s move when it comes, will actually be a stepping sone to a truly big club here or abroad unless one of the big 6 in the EPL are prepared to pay £25m now for potential. Man City might, and I would see that as a great move for him. Otherwise he is probably going to end up at West Ham / Wolves / ?

Bournemouth has the potential to be a very bad move. Listening to the newish owner I suspect he thinks being successful in the EPL is very straightforward, which obviously it isn’t.

How long will the new HC last if they have a bad start. I don’t know why but I get Watford ‘vibes’ about them.

5 hours ago, KegCity said:

The Levy/Kane situation is, to my understanding, an interesting exception to the rule about clubs needing to sell players. Spurs have tied him down to a long term contract and that's forced him to stay at the club. He had a tantrum and tried to force a move to Man City, Spurs held firm. He's pushing for a move to Bayern with one year on his deal, it looks like Spurs will hold firm and risk him walking away next summer. Spurs could do with that money to rejuvenate their squad and Kane isn't getting any younger yet Levy appears to be sticking to his guns.

Obviously we're not as big as Spurs but they're not at the top of the food chain and have been able to keep one of the best strikers of the last decade at their club for far longer than most would have been able to. Think it shows that if the club hold the cards in terms of contract length they can keep a player if they desperately want to.

You can if there is a contract in place but I think in Kane’s case, which is very different to Scott, this could be a negotiation move. He has one year left, if he really wants to go then he could force a move through, I think it’s all part of a ploy to maximize what Spurs offer him regarding a new deal. If he decides to stay, and I suspect he will, he is after the goals record and not trophies. I think he might regret that in later years.

In Alex’s case he is a very young lad at the start of his career.As things stand he will possibly have to make a decision whether to move on this summer or wait 12 months. He is most certainly not running out of time for money or trophies for a while.

I would imagine he and his advisors will be looking at what is best for his development rather than either of the above.

Not commenting on us specifically but more football in general. A number of clubs have big strikers on their books, some play them from the start others use them as a plan B when chasing a game.

The one thing I have noticed over the years is when a team brings on a big striker they invariably go long for the remainder of the game constantly with limited success.

As mentioned above it is much easier to defend against than quick nimble forwards if you have the ability to find them from midfield.

34 minutes ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

Get well soon Sir

His wife had a brain haemorrhage too some years ago but recovered, hopefully he does the same 

I just read that concerning his wife. Life can be so so cruel.

I sincerely hope he makes a full and swift recovery.

36 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said:

Carlo clearly respects him, be funny if he takes him to coach the Brazilian side, that would be a wake up call to the fgr chairman! 

I did read an interview with Dunc where he stated that Carlo wanted him to go to Madrid with him.

On a slight aside I find it odd that one of his assistants at Madrid and indeed previously at Everton, is his son.

13 hours ago, marcofisher said:

Very much appreciate the post and opinion. I do remember hearing him and these two stories on the radio, very much a character! 
 

As a Scot do you see him as a manager? From only seeing him on the touchline, I feel like a lot of people’s perception of his managerial potential is based of his footballing career/character, and not based on his managerial attributes.

Hello mate. Personally I think he would be a great motivator - witness his time as caretaker at Everton but I don’t see him as particularly tactical aware, which is important nowadays.

Simple question I always ask myself, would I want him here? Answer no.

Maybe in a few years that opinion could change but I think he would be a better coach than a manager.

Think he could do well in an academy structure 

21 minutes ago, marcofisher said:

Seems likely it’s a disagreement with the board then. 
 

As someone who did not grow up watching him as a player, I’m failing to see the fascination with Big Dunc as a manager. 

As someone who I suspect is a good deal older than you and followed his career closely as a Scot, I think it’s fair to say Big Dunc was a ‘character’.

He had a decent career but is probably best known for going to prison as the first player in the UK to be found guilty of assault of another player during a game. He was playing for Rangers at the time and the SFA refused to step in. If memory serves I think he spent 6 weeks in Barlinne prison in Glasgow. It makes Strangeways look like a holiday camp in comparison. As a result he refused to play for Scotland again.

Off the field, in his first spell at Everton, two individuals decided unwisely to break into Duncs house.It was a decision they came to regret prior to the police arriving.

He is hero worshipped at Everton and I suspect will end up back there in some capacity.

Very odd in some ways. FGR asked permission to speak to the Forfar manager Ray McKinnon, back end of last week with a view to him working with Big Dunc.

McKinnon is rated as a good coach.

For what it’s worth I expect him to go on and have a good career.

I have no idea how it came to this and is disappointing, but I don’t think he let us down on or off the pitch.

I wish him well. 

2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Club World Cup is growing in scope, 32 teams soon.

Which btw is mad, Infantino said a little ago that we need more, much more football but do we??

48 team World Cup

36 team with big group stages Champions Leagues

Nations League in Europe and in on the North American zone

32 Team Club World Cup

Euros up from 16 to 24.

Group stages which didn't exist before in the CL, Europa League and Conference League..was straight knockout in the past.

Crazy. 

What he means is that we need more football that generates money for FIFA / UEFA and of course himself.

I love football, as I am sure most on here do, but it’s going to eat itself with people like him a n positions of power.

He does of course need the money, the upkeep on that house in Qatar must be costly.