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19 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I don’t have much recollection of Dickie Rooks but he must have been playing when I first went to AG in 1967. John Atyeo was playing as well but aged only 12 it was a few decades before I discovered who City played that day.

You went earlier than 1967 if you saw Big John play as he retired at end of season 1965/66.

Rooks arrived here in summer of 1969 and left at end of  71/72.

He followed Jack Connor in the side and was a big help to the AD Young Ones like Geoff Merrick.

Only here for three seasons but one of those who helped to turn us from a perpetual fighter against the drop and pushed us up the table for the 1976 promotion.

RIP Dickie and condolences to his family.

RIP City supporter. Commiserations to her family and friends.

2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

Subtitle of thread needs to be “HIS PLAYERS”

Put simply, if you think Liam needs “His Players” then you should be recommending 5-6 incoming's - and starting ones. If you aren’t recommending that then the conclusion is he’s underperforming with a capable squad.

So, what side you going to fall on? Shit squad or poor manager.

There is no other option.

 

I'm not in any doubt. Poor manager! He may be a good coach who can teach players to learn about moves and the technical side of football.

But one needs to be a manager who can organise a team to cope with all of the changes in tactics/personnel etc that opponents throw at us during a match. IMO, Manning is unable to manage a team when the opponents and their manager, change tactics several times during the ninety minutes.

1 hour ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said:

So you'd still sack manning?

I would.

59 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Thought Tanner & Vyner stuck at it & Pring (who took a very heavy knock early on from a clear foul that the ref chose to ignore) certainly improved.

Beyond that we certainly weren’t great, Wells fed on absolute scraps & even James wasn’t at his usual standard.

Take the point, 3rd clean sheet & move on.

I would normally, at this time of the season with us safe in mid table, agree with your last sentence.

But I believe that what many of us see now and in the coming weeks will decide whether we renew or not.

At present I'm not sure I can put up with this sort of dross again next season.

How many others are the same?

6 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

If you are correct that would make his exposure less than the worst case I paint above on a simple investment v recovery? Not to mention there will likely be intangible benefits to his various interests that you can’t put a direct value on.

Regardless, if I was a billionaire losing £5m per year net (it’s obviously more until you sell) on my football club I wouldn’t be losing much sleep over that. You would have to live a long time before it became a concern. It’s an expensive hobby at that level.

I completely agree that what he has spent on all the clubs is trivial for him over 25 years and amounts to approx £10 million per year. That is or was approximately 2/5ths of his income from his H&L shares. So no breaking into the £2 billion lump.

The only time he spent significantly was when his son's idol was the City manager and an aptly named CEO, was probably fiddling a small fortune into his own personal bank account. Just like he did later at the Tractor company until one of their owners put a stop to it.

18 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

It’s about communication (again) isn’t it? We all know we were sold a pup and we’re in a “rebuild” but making the point every time about how LM was stated as getting us top six is kind of counter productive. I’m totally unconvinced he’s the right man but I’m not judging that on not getting us top six, I’m judging it on what he has produced to date.

The Hogg conference today gave a lot more acknowledgment than Liams have that things haven’t been perfect. It was about an 80% similar message but the communication was far better and the tweaks were a good acknowledgment of where concerns lie.

Notably he didn’t overegg things which Liam can do - key point here is Hogg pointed to a change at HT against Plymouth when Liam said we went back four after 25 (we didn’t, Pring dropped back more to help Roberts but it wasn’t a four). More honest and less bullshit bingo moving forward can only help things.

But it’s all about communication. And stating “the board said top six” helps nobody five months on and actually lessens the valid criticism of what Liam has produced.

Very good post and I agree all of it.

Let's stop arguing or trying to score points off of each other. We're all City fans, supporters and go to as many matches as we can, financially, working hours, family matters etc.

All previous managers or head coaches are now history and whatever we thought of them, they are now irrelevant.

So now we have a head coach, Manning. He has had no experience of being in charge of a Championship club and his time with lower league sides as head coach is almost non existent.

As we now appear to be safe from the big drop, I want to see how the team performs. I'm not concerned about each match result but about how we cope with all facets of a match. In his first three months, we had too many games in which we went sideways and backwards without any real clue of attacking. If that continues more than any other style, it will finish many of us from going to matches through sheer boredom.

If we lose trying to play our share of attacks then so be it. We'll never win every game but so long as we give it a go, then I will be at matches to support the team.

32 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Meerholz has got that bit of something hasn’t he?

I like both TA and JCS too.

Hewlett is gonna be an interesting one, not just because of his dad, but because the way we play.  He’s a bit “missed out”, but he does all the basics really, really well.

Duncan is the other.  But the route to first team football is a tough one for a young keeper.

I saw Hewlett's father make his debut against Wolves at Molineux. But as that seems about a lifetime away, it makes me feel older than I am.

I hope the son will make the grade.

I have some good memories from the previous Youth Cup games a long time ago and appreciate the players who made it to our first team.

Unable to watch or even listen to commentary but from the comments from almost everyone in this thread, the under 18's squad and coaches have done a very good job with a group of boys who hopefully, will make it to City's first team.

So thank you under 18's for making it so far in the Youth Cup and best wishes for the rest of your careers.

7 hours ago, pillred said:

Imagine teams playing 2 games in 24 hours seems inconceivable, and that was in the days of no subs.

It was three matches in four days at Easter.

The same opponents, home and away on Good Friday and Easter Monday. And a match on the Saturday in between.

In 1957/8 I saw all three. West Ham at Ashton Gate on Friday, Leicester City away on Saturday and W Ham at Upton Park on Monday. Two draws and one defeat.

23 hours ago, headhunter said:

Live on You Tube @ 6.00 then on Spotify etc later this evening

Can't deny the fact that City deserved all three points against a Leicester side who have now lost 4 of their last 6 games and in so doing might have to settle for a play-off spot despite leading the division for months.

Manning changed the formation which meant the left side was strong with Pring & the impressive Roberts. Mehemti was at his most infuriating but he capped his performance with a well struck winning goal.

Max O'Leary deserves praise for some fine saves and even his distribution was on point today.

What's the view on Twine and Conway for that matter - should we sign the former whilst did our Scottish U21 put some ££££ on his value based on today's performance.

Andrew Kitchen the ref, what a disgrace - showed unbelievable "big team" favouritism 

Overall though one swallow does not a summer make but things aren't perhaps as bad as some of us are making out?

 

 

I'm not going to comment on yesterday's match until after the game at Home Park.

Apart from an agreement with your mention of the referee. He appeared to me, almost as soon as the game started, as very quick to penalise us when there was any contact at all but unable to see any of the same from Leicester.

In days gone past cash managed to get stuck to a ref's hand as an encouragement to help one side. Not heard of it mentioned for a long time but I sometimes wonder over the last four or five years if it still exists.

Where there's cash, there is always an opportunity for fiddling so why not referees?

16 minutes ago, Fredford89 said:

Let the Pearson Obsession die if anything think he’s laid down the foundations as he did when he last left Leicester

Twine was the big January signing he starts we beat Leicester get off Pearsons parsnip and give Manning a chance 

Another member of the Tinnion, Lansdown family?

41 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Not sure about that but I do remember a similar picture with him and Frankie Prince.

I remember Gerry's first game for City when he broke into the team as a youngster.  Not often you see a youngster hit the ground running like he did and he was good enough right from the start.  He had a lot of great attributes as well as being a destroyer in the middle of the park, he also had a bit of skill, could pick out passes and popped up with quite a few goals too.

My favourite player ever to put on a City shirt by some margin, even though there have been a lot of other excellent ones over the years.

Gow's first game was at Charlton last match of 1969-70 season. I guess that there weren't many City fans at the Valley that day.

Similar ending to this season. 5 defeats and three draws and we finished 14th in Second Division. Not much has changed!

38 minutes ago, cheese said:

If you've not listened to one of his interviews then how are you able to reach a judgement as to their quality?

What quality? Very poor is my opinion.

I gave up around half way through. So boring, he sits there smirking and spouting absolute drivel that an outsider wouldn't believe that we have hardly won a league match for three months!

I'll be there tomorrow, haven't renewed yet and expect a thoroughly poor walloping from Leicester.

I saw Larry play for Rovers, I think against City in the FA cup mentioned in a very recent thread. He came from the Manor Farm area near Horfield common.

I met his brother several times when I lived in Shrewsbury. He had a pub just a minutes walk from the Gay Meadow and as I went to Shrews games when they didn't clash with City's, I'd go in his pub for an after match refresher. He was pure Gas so lots of banter. After City's last minute win in the Joe Jordan promotion year, he was at the front door holding a full pint when I arrived and he held it out for me to take and then threw the beer at me. We both nearly wet ourselves laughing and it was one of the evenings when I got a cab home instead of walking. Boy was he proud of his younger brother, Larry.

RIP Larry even if you are Gas.

20 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Line item 23.a - ledger 134.1 - Crayon budget

Line item 12.b - ledger 201.1 - Fever Pitch expenses 

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@cidered abroad Ashton Gate Stadium limited 777 staff, Bristol City FC limited 205 staff (982 Holdings).

Common misconception that the “non-football football-staff” are Bristol Sport.  Bristol Sport will have its own staff too, but they don’t have to report the level of detail that other parts of Pula do.  For example I understand that the ticketing staff are employed by Bristol Sport, and therefore City, WFC, Bears and Flyers all pay BS for their services.

@Davefevs So if ticket staff are employed by BS, isn't it reasonable to assume that the pitch ground staff, refreshments etc. are the same. I cannot see the sense in pitch staff being employed separately by City, Bears and City Women.

Anyway, not worth us fighting each other as more important subjects are relevant.

16 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

No. We don't rent it. We are not tenants and we don't hold a lease for it. This is a common but important technical error of language that I have previously explained to Tom and the SC&T.

If we did hold a lease then we'd have to sub-lease it to, or grant a licence to, the Bears, and the Women's team, and BS for the offices their staff use.

We, and all those other teams, pay a licence fee to Ashton Gate Ltd to use AG on match days and as office space.

Thanks @ExiledAjax

My understanding of the money going from City, Bears etc is that before Bristol Sport was created, the non football employees of Bristol City FC, ground staff, refreshments, ticket sales etc. were workers for the Club and paid by them. But that since B Sport they are employed by BS. Thus City, Bears, City Women, pay a share of their wages.

EFL would not consider our accounts valid if we didn't pay any of the non football wages.

28 minutes ago, sglosbcfc said:

Let us have a really good display and a thumping victory on Friday and then nobody will make any comments about his interviews. I really can't see that happening by the way and I am far from convinced he will be in post for much longer, but really hoping for City's sake and his sake he can turn this mess around.

I don't agree that he should be given the chance to turn it around because he doesn't appear to have the ability to so do.

29 minutes ago, Negan said:

I honestly can’t even watch or look at him. Thought SO’D was bad but manning has genuinely taken away a level of my interest for City, which is just sad. I don’t feel nothing towards him, I’m not rooting for him to succeed or hoping he fails. Just don’t care whatsoever about him. Obviously I hope my team wins but with manning in charge it just feels like the substitute teacher is here and we’re waiting for the real guy to come back. Not sure if it’s just me that feels that way but in my head I already know this is going to end sooner rather than later. He won’t be successful, it’s just so glaringly obvious but he’s not had a reason to be sacked… yet. So until then I’m just not bothering watching anything with him involved. Pointless. 

I completely agree with you.

5 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

Does no one remember the 2-1 FA cup replay win at Eastville in 68 ? Galley and Crowe, THAT was a great night, completely took over the Tote. All ticket game, they sold any tickets to anyone, no segregation in them days !

Yes of course I do. I took a friend's 8 year old son, it was his first game and he was buzzing at the end.

Sadly, a year later, he drowned in the Avon near Keynsham. 

1 hour ago, Topper 123 said:

So it’s a sell out next Friday- that means all seats sold -non available, All gone NOW if people don’t turn up for whatever reason ie bank holiday , sick , gone abroad for a break or because it’s live on sky or just old plain oiling the wheel on your wheelbarrow ITS SOLD OUT empty seats or not we couldn’t take anymore money But wait for it I’m nearly 90 and understand it 

If you were born in 1941 you are 83 in June. Stretching that info just like you do with other facts!

We have been in three semi-finals of the FA Youth Cup. But as football didn't exist before the Premier League was invented by the rich and greedy, our achievements are easily forgotten.