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a perception driven by? media broadcasters who often dont know the laws of the game. The scrutiny is put on the refs. Putting refs out there to explain mistakes puts on more scrutiny on the ref. seriously maybe they should do it naked so they can be belittled some more mocked more by many who despise authority. Thats the problem. We have dont have respect its no respect.

where do you get increasing from?

A lino died in the Netherands ten years ago On otib we see refs geting coated off for errors some say they should publicity be made to explain their mistakes maybe we should make them do it naked to humiliate them a bit more?? on motd sky we will see refs slagged off criticised by pundits who cant get the laws right. what goes on at the top gets repeated through the game and worse. refs are easy game including children refs having a pop at the refs is a bit sport and putting refs children purple tops to identify their child refs doesnt stop the pop at the kid ref sport. Refs will be attacked here this week end as they are every week. A ref in Bristol had to call the police as his car was surrounded by angry parents after A kids game make no mistake a ref death is in the post in this country. Forget review of ref standards that happens every game up from the kids to the epl what should happen is that there is a zero tolerance to ref abuse and violence starting at the to ban klopp for months and Guardiola, ban players for months because what they do gets repeated. Put the players under a % of the scrutiny refs are with proper bans and things will change.

Not giving a red for dogso there. What did your boy think?

Reckon somebody remembers who you did hang around with. From the Miners, Lions, Masonic and Spanish their still looking a bit dark with a lot less on top in some cases.

City were supposedly doing that when LJ was give four years and tens of millions.

And the five pillars. i think that shows you are not in control when the club keeps going through multiple ways to control if that make sense. The club hasnt done long terms and the money was given to LJ to create huge squads with recruitment all over the place and a team going through bullshit non identities short passing to long ball week to week!!!

Wasnt LJ supposed to have been doing this??? The identity? The project? The dna? the umm clubs in the bag? It really looks like they make it all up as they go along.

What was Tinion doing and saying when LJ was going through different ways with different clubs in the bag and losing these projects identity???

I said they were comparable and a fully extended arm can be as natural as a bent arm.

They are comparable because in both cases there is no intent and in both cases their arms are in natural positions unlike having to tuck arms in which is unnatural, and in both situations both players have 0.1 of a second to react. As a low level ref the handball rule is a mess and im not giving either.

The offence can be a yellow card and the sanction might just be a free kick. Sunday leagues refs wont be looking to send of players who are 12, 13, 14?

Bin the singing section extradite AP from Australia and get him and some of his old skool in A block.

Fair play but as your itk if i started chucking LOTG DOGSO etc about people would be!!?? Laws have rule sand so do competitions. what matters is that people understand you. Thats what been occurring. Every season Ifab have been trying to make lotg/ rules clearer. Having managers and coaches during mandatory education might improve their understanding because in football total consistency can never happen. take handball there are many things to consider. You might want to think about excessive force and dangerous play their not exact and they can be. Managers will always want these thing to be exact when it favours them and not it doesnt the marvellous coach that is Jergen Klopp is blind to dangerous and reckless play and a understanding right species when things dont go his way, his players? Acting like ***** and across the game people see that and more people think its fine to act like ***** because amongst the best do it. Refs need to start pushing back for respect of the game. In Spain their threatening to go on strike due to abuse. The likes of Klopp need lengthy bans because 100% their behaviour is a cancer on football.

I think pundits and coaches and managers should take courses on the rules. The FA does run seminars for Managers and coache soin the rules and rule changes and do all the club turn up??? Make knowing the rules and cpd manadatory part of the gaffers coaching badge, and any coach. And theres one. What do the rules say. Entitled!!

Dave loads of kids coming into reffing are not the last picks in the play ground are they? Thats a bit insulting. My Son played and reffed still does and plays at western league level. You dont have to start young to be a pro ref. there 13 levels and the first few are not so hard or time consuming to get through then it gets tougher with despite what some on here are sketching refs are going up and down. Some get parked at levels. Top talents dont and its about getting merit. That the sketch. There is now diversity fast tracking., mm not so sure that will improve reffing!! The pros making points about oh they dont know the game dont even know the rules. Murphy and Shearer and Jenas regularly get rules wrong. Shearer has his own rules!!!! On th e wedge they get the BBC should put them as refs course each season. Refs are rotated. Im middle aged. Only played school combination the sundays for decades but what is a good football experience? Collina played at no good level. I dont think it matters so much at all.

There seems to be this thing that refs dont know the game. Most refs have played the game.

You might hate some of what i'm going to type but that highlights how the game cant be consistent and you will think about game management. I am not a ref bible and i took advice from refs here on things like. Think about angles forty five degrees to dead balls etc so you can see what is going on. Game management lets some go early till you see thats going on or if its up the pitch give a fee kick if both cb and cf are at it in an area where this the least effect showing you are going to clamp down on whats going on with free kicks. Thats straight away something people wont like because the game isnt exact and cant be!! As a ref i would be going down a long post. You posts all over the place so i will have a crack at that small part. At my bog ref standard there is loads of accountability. I can get binned if my scores are low and assessors checking on me dont think im up to my level. That accountability x 10 and x again at each level refs go up. It not easy being a ref its bloody hard if it was so easy there be more lining up to do it. Interestingly top level pays more than semi pro football wheres all the ex semi pros going in to reffing? Too hard? Not up to it? Dont love the game enough? Us and them well there should be refs should be respected. Nigel Pearson mentioned rugby where officials really have an us and the them should be respected. In rugby dissent any dissent to an official can be a red. And rugby does mean any meaning a red. No sin bin no time out refs can go red. Managers and players are not allowed to publicly criticises officials - its a ban. There is a zero tolerance of abuse and dissent.

Sort of a reason I gave reffing a go. Theres not enough refs and my sons league needed them. Step up if you think you can do better and i now realise how little i knew about reffing and the rules of a game i watched and played badly.

Doesnt work. People see the purple and think they are not proper refs and that is something to go at the kid with.

Yes i think the standard of officials at pro level is acceptable, they are bloody good at what they do because to get there they have to be 100%. Poor performance. Everybody has one now and again, have too many you will get binned. I ref and every game i am marked by both teams have too many low scores and the fa are out to watch. i also have to keep on top of cpd do courses intermittently and a few other things to keep up to date. Thats low level stuff and i do level 6 no great level but to answer your do you think reffing is a constant and improving profession? Yes if its a profession and yes if its not. if i wanted (i don't) to go to 5 that means i have to learn and display more. Level 3 is another world of demands and that is not pro. To get up to above national list you have to years of consistent improving, you cant magik your way in. I dont understand your straw man thing. we can see what goes on at the top repeated at the bottom. Klopp giving it to officials will be the kid tonight at an AYL game. Had it myself because i put a flag up and the other teams manager and coaches thrn parents are on at me for the rest of the game. My son refs he has had girls teams parents at u12 level all around him on th e pitch. Yeah its a correlation the refs charity (straw men??) they offer support to refs and they will, give you the correlation overand over again. Leadership of refs in this country is a clueless?? the one thing they do have is a clue.

It is not part of the Captains role, or a rule. Law 3 - The Players | IFAB (theifab.com) The team captain has no special status or privileges, but has a degree of responsibility for the behaviour of their team.

David Squires on … the great VAR and refereeing crisis of 2022 | Football | The Guardian Disagree with mic'd up refs it would be another thing for Nige to beef about when he doesnt get his decisions. Remember he doesnt think refs know football and hes isnt sure that refs know what their doing!!! Maybne its Nige who doesnt know what their doing because he doesnt know the rules. How many refs courses has he done? None? Collina masterclass. According to some of the great and the good Collina cant know football as he was a grass roots player!! I didnt see your posts. I dont post over a week or read otib that way. I asked a question about this thread. the disrespect and coating of at the refs at the top adds to what is going on at the bottom. People see the mobbing off refs and think they can do as they please, refs at grass roots level are getting the same. Cut this culture out at the top and it would improve the game at every level. If its unacceptable at the top and refs are there to be respected poor behaviour should not be the culture lower down as well. The pro game is a great influencer isnt it?

eh? When you walk on the pitch you think the ref has to earn your respect? how can a ref not be up to the job? you dont just pick up a whistle and roll up for a game at ashton gate. they take years to get to that level.

So really you dont think refs should be respected? its a simple question.