Davefevs

The argument I get Re FFP on twitter from Villa fans is Christian Purslow wrote the FFP rules, so they’ll be alright. From what Copello states that probably enough for the EFL guys to not bother looking at Villa’s projected submission. What I do find worrying is talk that they are under soft embargo....that must mean they are in trouble, in which case why haven’t the EFL docked them points / stopped them going up?

Part of the reason FFP was brought in was Platini (great footballer - awful administrator) wanting to break England’s dominance of the Champions League, allowing a French team a chance. Spain then dominated, but it is going full-circle with English clubs again. Platini couldn’t stop Sky, and PSG fail again. The lower league versions in this country, I'm not convinced have been rigorously applied either, and it’s all becoming a bit of a farce. If Gibson’s lawsuit fails to have any impact on the rules and Villa’s ground sale swells their coffers, then I think it’s time to admit defeat, and either accept there are those taking advantage of the rules and there are those who aren’t. Not sure where SL will sit...unchanged I suspect, playing by the rules....but expect FFP to die a death.

According to Kieran Maguire, he thinks Villa have already sold their ground and leased it back.

5) where Ken Anderson is the Owner, he should get eff all, and his son too.

I wonder what Gibson’s motives / objections are: Fair play? Financial compensation for Boro and financial ruin for Derby (assume they might then sue valuer) Derby denied promotion should they achieve it Adjustment of Derby’s FFP submission, resulting in embargo, points deduction, etc Loophole closed

It will force the issue - and I reckon a next action against the EFL for not following their rules. The worm is turning.

I saw this on Twitter, refused to open it....almost puked at the thought.

I think this is a very clever move from Gibson. Start a legal action before Villa and Wednesday (and anyone else) try the same. Wonder how this will play out with the EFL. Suspect SL is right behind him.

All EFL and Prem clubs have to have an accounting year of End of May, June or July.

That was pretty much my point a few weeks ago. If Villa gave included a forecast sale of Grealish, then they should be bound by it imho. If they don’t sale (because they’ve gone up) then in effect there losses are bigger and they should be denied promotion.

That has been my point on this for a good while. I really hoped the projected accounts would make a difference to previous wrongdoings. Of course perhaps Villa included the forecast sale of Grealish? I don’t know. @Coppello - would that be allowed?

You have just answered the question the EFL guys should’ve been asking! It’s been hideously over-valued to make Derby stay within FFP.

Surely if the submission was wrong, there must be an option to adjust.

I think that is the angle Gibson and Lansdown are playing at. I see the good intentions of the projected accounts, but the implementation when both 1) club annual accounting periods finish after the end of the season and 2) the transfer window Re-opens before 1, is flawed. Villa will just sell Player X and / or Player Y for £Xm if they don’t go up. Perhaps in Gibson / Pulis / Boro’s case they showed their hand too early in cutting costs? Re Ground Sale, the EFL have already concluded Derby’s was fine....so have set the precedent....haven’t they? Bit late to say they are gonna investigate Wednesday, and Villa if they do the same.

I wonder whether Birmingham could be the salvation here, in terms of Villa’s flouting of FFP and finally getting done. Big wishful thinking on my part. We keep thinking about their 9 point deduction, but often forget that was for the 3 year period to 17/18. They are still gonna be in the shit for for the 3 year period to 18/19, so likely to be under embargo....and get a points deduction at some point in the 19/20 season, when the EFL finally act. They might show leniency if Adams is sold and brings some sanity back to their accounts. But compare to Villa, there 3 year period to 18/19, also gonna be a mess. Villa (if promoted) are gonna give the EFL the middle finger, but surely the EFL would need to request the Prem to apply similar treatment. If not....then the more likely scenario is that FFP is scrapped!

Villa had cashflow issues at the start of this season, but now have FFP issues!

Totally agree about not being vindictive. The EFL brought in projected accounts to deal with exactly the scenario Villa are in - breaking the rules and going for promotion. You could also argue that Birmingham's points deduction should’ve been last season. Barnsley would’ve stayed up. Or if they’d started 18/19 with 9 points deduction and been in relegation trouble at Xmas, might Adams have wanted to go then? The EFL have had a real missed opportunity here.

You couldn’t imagine how desperate I am for Villa to ****-up in the play-offs.

Wow indeed.

Couple of million isn’t it????

£15m FFP Exclusions seems high too. Thanks for posting. What it does show is that they are £25m over the FFP threshold for the 3 year rolling period ending this season. A breach of somewhere near this magnitude much be in the projected accounts submitted in March. Its obscene...unless of course they’ve been allowed to factor some huge “income” stream in before the end of their financial year.

You’re not being stupid....but however Derby structure their various businesses they will cover off / include match day income. No real difference to City, where Ashton Gate Ltd own the ground.

Yes, you had the usual half and full season loans, but also the emergency loan system (up to 93 days). Matt Smith was an emergency loan.

I believe we are in agreement.

Agree RH. Which is why I wonder what purpose the projected accounts serve. They were brought in (I believe) to apply penalties in the current season. But my hypothetical scenarios prove how difficult they are to implement in that period. And if Villa get promoted, I don’t see the Prem applying the sanction on the EFL’s behalf. Surely if Villa only scraped in for the 3 years up to 17/18, when allowed £61m losses, their projected accounts for the period to 18/19 when only allowed £39m must have smashed it. I believe Birmingham’s 3 years upto 18/19 would be the same. That is why my hope is that Villa, Derby don’t go up and they have an embargo and points deduction for start of next season. The question would then be why were they allowed to deny say us or Boro a playoff place (should that happen)!!!