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Just now, Back of the Dolman said:

As far as I’m concerned if they’re on the bench then the staff have deemed them fit to return.

We can’t not bring them on in case they get injured again.

If that was Mannings thinking then they shouldn’t have been on the bench and there would be no need for debate.

And that is not any reaction to the defeat.

As you say 6 points from the last three games is good but when you’ve got those 6 points in the two perceived toughest games then people will have raised expectations for the home match against QPR.

And I would expect the hierarchy thought the same due to our top 6 quality squad.

 

I can understand that mate but at the same time it’s about managing a return. 
Getting back up to speed by playing matches but won’t just seamlessly be able to play 90 straight away. 
Maybe after Cornick scoring in midweek and energy he felt that was a fair choice. 

5 minutes ago, chinapig said:

In which case don't try to significantly change the style until you have the time to do it.

I mean we do have time, it’s the board who have made it seem like we don’t. 
Never would we have been promoted or play offs under NP. 
Looking likely it won’t happen this season under LM. 
So he will have half a season and a pre season to get it right for next year 

1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said:

Then why is he making the excuse on a regular basis Sherlock? Cant have it both ways. Either he thinks the schedule is too punishing to give him adequate time to train the players, or he can cope with the schedule and should STFU and get on with it. Which is it?

Or he’s trying to implement a new style which will take time and he’s frustrated that he’s mainly doing this by playing games. 
He’s not bemoaning the schedule, just making a point that it’s not ideal trying to do this without training. 
 

I also agree that he doesn’t need to be said but at the same time if he doesn’t people wouldn’t see that side of it. 
 

The process would be sped up by being able to train and is likely why it’s hit and miss performance wise at the moment. 

3 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

League One - MK Dons in 21/22 season (excluding playoffs)

League Games 46

EFL Trophy Games 5

League Cup Games 1

FA Cup Games 1

Total 53

So, you’re right - they didn’t play this many games. Even pre playoffs, they played more.

”What an awful observation”

 

 

It was clearly sarcasm as you’re stating he will struggle to manage if he can’t cope when he’s clearly been doing it at previous clubs. 

15 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

Yeah that annoyed me. Particularly after he said “I’m not going to make excuses” and then made that excuse.

I’ll say again - we will play 52 games this season. Teams at our level will expect to navigate 2 cup games a season on average so play an average of 50 games (46 league, 4 cup). This is the schedule. It’s not unusual. If he can’t manage or coach in this schedule which is 4 months thus far, then he’s going to struggle every season 

Of course managing Oxford and MK they didn’t play this many games? What an awful observation. 
 

5 minutes ago, Jose said:

Get them in the class room then. Get them on the pitch and walk through things. Get them in and watch the whole 90 miniutes as punishment. 
 

Awwww poor over paid players are tired, cry me a ******* river. 

What a revolutionary idea, I can’t imagine the players sit and watch through previous games and discuss what went wrong and what needs to improve. 
 

4 minutes ago, Capman said:

True, the question is why have they suddenly ‘made the grade’ in the last couple of years. Something has enabled them to significantly reduce the issues they were having before and turned them into first team regulars. The track record is pretty clear that the previous regime had that management and coaching skill. It is a genuine question if that remains or if it has been lost in the transition. 
I actually think Pearson’s man management skills were demonstrated just as well in dealing with the older players. His willingness not to play those who he thought had ‘let the side down’ particularly springs to mind. His focussed determination to make sure players understood what was expected should be a model for any manager. I am not sure the new regime has that and it will make the path for any player to move from the academy to the first team significantly more difficult.

Obviously the loans helped them, first team football at men’s level is always going to be more beneficial than playing 21s football. 
 

You could say they’ve also been extremely lucky (Vyner and Max) if we are really honest they did well to survive that first season but clearly have come on for that. 
 

Not disputing NP made them better players but I guess he had no choice at the time and likely given the opportunity at the time would probably have liked to replace them with better players. 
 

I think in terms of link to the pathway now you have to give LM a little bit of time. Think it always comes down to a bit of luck and timing with these things too. You’re not going to have 1/2/3 players every year come out the academy and be a star. 
 

4 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

Does Manning really see the age groups every day? My understanding is that he is “Head Coach” of the men’s first team. Not quite the same as a manager overseeing the whole club, which is what we had previously. 

No he wouldn’t see them directly unless they come to train with 1st team but he would be updated regularly and have meetings around progress of each player and naturally would pass on what he’s looking for in terms of players ready to step up etc.  

5 minutes ago, CS Red said:

Give them Monday off back in Tuesday.

What I don't get is why Manning thinks there is not enough time on the training ground? It's no different to what other managers have. How does he think they do it?

Or is this a sign of his lack of experience?

Difference is most of the managers were there for pre season and not changing the style of play. 
 

Obviously he isn’t stupid and understand the demands of the league. He alludes to this in pressers a lot. 
 

Slight difference between us working on something that’s still relatively new and a club who are established in their style and patterns 

3 minutes ago, Capman said:

For me the question is not so much about belief but the skill needed to manage people. Manning is unfortunate because he permanently gets compared to a very experienced and successful predecessor. For me Pearson’s clarity and judgement are some of his most important qualities. I think the way he managed players (young and old) was exceptional. He appeared to ‘know’ when new talent needed time on the field, and when they needed time on the bench. He could judge when to give praise and when to criticise. He also understood what young players needed in terms of experience and support on the pitch. It would have been very easy for Pearson to lose patience with Vyner, Pring and Max. But he picked the right moment to back them and I suspect that is a large factor in their ultimate transition. It’s early days yet to judge Manning, but so far I don’t see the clarity of thought needed to do the same on a regular basis. Hopefully it will be shown over time that he does have the skill.

 

I honestly wish people would stop using Max, Pring and Vyner as “young players” they are 27,26 and 26. 
 

They have all been on loans and worked hard to get where they are but they were not plucked out the academy by NP and they are not young players. 
 

Their experience at this level isn’t huge but they have been professional footballers for a long time with plenty of games in the EFL. 

3 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

I've no idea, but doubt any of them would have been worse than yesterday's pathway blocker. Manning backed 'his man' yesterday ahead of academy players and it backfired big time.

Can you tell me who he blocked from the pathway yesterday, that you’ve seen who would have made more of a difference? 

1 minute ago, Sir Geoff said:

Re your first line. It was Tinnion that said, last summer, that there are even better prospects coming through than those we have already seen.

Yes coming through mate, that could be U14,U16,U18.

Doesn’t mean they are ready available right now. Throwing them in because we want to show our “pathway” would be detrimental for their development. 
Being apart of first team squads and training is exactly what these lads need to get a taste for it and push them on. 
As I said watching the 21s, I wouldn’t say there are any players right now who are readily available or better than the current squad. 

People on here slating Mebude is utterly embarrassing, a young player coming on for 30 mins in a side that was clearly not at it. 
 

You’re telling me that one of our academy lads would have come on and changed the game. People see what they want to see and can spin it anyway they want. 
 

Bottom line is, LM sees these lads every day, you think he would actively snub a young player if they were better than what we have? Seems extremely far fetched to me. 
 

People always so quick to jump on the band wagon because they’re still crying about who’s in charge. The same people after Saints saying how good we are and play offs are still a possibility. 
 

If he’d have brought Sykes on and he got injured we’d be moaning about poor man management. Likewise with Twine possibly getting him back in around the squad and match day was important considering he’s still new to the club. 
 

The reaction to a defeat is embarrassing after a really positive week. 
 

Would have bit your hand off for 6 points from the last 3 games. 

This is laughable. Who is ready and good enough in the academy to come in? 
People commenting who have probably never been to watch the 21s, because if you have you’d know they are not at the required level yet. 
NP had no choice but to use Yeboah and quite clearly he wasn’t ready. 
LM using some of these lads on the bench and integrating them in the first team via being around the team on a match day and training is still a way to blood them. 

Lose one game and all of a sudden Manning has no clue about anything, the bloke literally watches these players and gets updated every day. 
 

Give the bloke a break, only reason his predecessor has to use academy players who were not ready was his own doing by not using the loan market. 

Absolutely brilliant, I really feel it’s all starting to click, he’s exaggerated the style at the start and you can see him taking it back now. The players have clearly bought into it. We are really starting to look like a proper good side. 
I really like LM and I like what he’s doing, it’s not always going to be exciting and some weeks it will be a bit boring but it’s effective. 
 

Absolutely fantastic, LM got it spot on. Rotation and still a high level of performance. Slowly but surely it’s very much coming together. 

2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

I don’t think that’s what’s being discussed tbh. It’s more that, having seen what we’ve seen from LM, whether the change in manager reduced or improved whatever chances we did have this season. 
 

And again, you can be of the mind that the appointment improved our chances long term but lessened them short term and there’s nothing contradictory in that.

This would pretty much be my opinion. 
Think we’ve done okay under LM considering limited training time and changing the system. Still totally agree with the change. 

Shame the powers above couldn’t keep their mouths shut, that’s where all these issues have arose.

It’s laughable to think NP would have got us anywhere near the play offs. 
 

Thought we were really good tonight, poor keeping from Max has cost us. Roll on Friday night.

This thread is very funny. I thought we’d been excellent this half. Deserved our goal without a doubt. 

1 minute ago, mozo said:

Old school is bang on. You don't see many players nowadays who play with that much fire in their belly. He's like a 90s midfielder.

Unfortunately players like that are being eradicated from the game. It’s a shame because players like that are exactly what we want to see. Body on the line for 90 mins giving every ounce. 

Absolutely fabulous, what a result. Absolutely everything brilliant. Passing the most purposeful it’s been under LM. Grit, determination and passion! 
What a night

Some agent AW must have if this move goes through. Looked a shade of the player from previous years this season. Would be a great move for all involved I feel.

Absolutely love stuff like this. Memories for a lifetime for those boys. 
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Lot of time for GO’N even if his time at city was pretty terrible.