Bs4Red

4 hours ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Think the challenge is lots of folk, including me, disagree with this. Given the progress made in difficult circumstances and with sensible backing, I could see him getting us promoted. And not as he’s never done it before, unlike lots of up and coming managers. We’ll never know who was right/wrong as no control group, all about opinions, and that’s fair enough. 

What did you see that makes you think he could gain promotion? 
we are the same inconsistent side we have been since he got here.

No chance he’d have got us up for me 

38 minutes ago, firstdivision said:

You won’t get anywhere on this forum at the moment with opinions like that but I know supporters who have pretty similar views to you. They don’t come on here. They’re not social media posters. And they probably wouldn’t want the emoji barrage anyway. 

i wouldn’t have sacked him, but the case for the defence is not water tight (as you set out). 
 

Thanks mate, I’m not saying I’m right but that’s my opinion and I think they didn’t trust him to spend money. 
I don’t feel he did enough on the pitch to warrant another contract. 
Being well liked isn’t a trait in a manager for me. 

7 minutes ago, Galley is our king said:

From GOV.UK

Dismissing staff 

Dismissals due to illness 

Considering dismissing an employee

Dismissal is a last resort....

I repeat... DISMISSAL IS A LAST RESORT....

Dismisal is a last resort and you should consider as many ways as possible to help your employee including:

* Getting a medical report from their GP with the employees permission.

* Arranging a occupational health assessment.

* Make any reasonable adjustments to help them do their jobs.

I repeat ANY REASONABLE ADJUSTMENTS.

Now, who on here thinks ANY of the above were carried out?

The complete pillocks that now run our football club have, IMHO,  left themselves open to a strong case for illegal dismisal. It's also a terrible example for the club to set isn't it?

6 out of a possible 18 points, 15th in the table, squad decimated and the managers refusal to utilise the loan and free agent market hampering us. 
Relationship between manager and owner not great. 
 

Manager not the type the owners want moving forward (want a head coach who is more hands on)

It really isn’t that mind boggling a decision. He’s done his job, thanks and move on.

29 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Well you wouldn't, seeing as you've wanted him sacked for the last 2 years.

I have and I’ve openly said that. Doesn’t mean I think it’s mighty harsh the way he’s been treated. 
But if the Lansdown feel this approach of manager isn’t what they want and results haven’t been brilliant. 
NP has done his job off the pitch and I applaud him for getting us into a much better situation. 
On the pitch for me, he hasn’t got enough out of this squad and personally I don’t see the decision being that shocking. 
Clearly I’m in the minority with that view, but I think it was the right decision. 

33 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It’s not very different to Alex Ferguson’s style of management.  He wasn’t out on the training ground.  Nige’s structure had him in a more observational role anyway because he empowered his coaches.

Yeah I don’t disagree with that Fevs but unfortunately fact is. Results haven’t been good enough and the Lansdowns feel it’s not the sort of manager they want moving forward. 
 

The point I’m trying to make is they want someone more hands on. They want someone on the grass every day. 
The fact NP is of ill health shouldn’t affect that decision. 

34 minutes ago, headhunter said:

Of course they were aware. They could have made this better for themselves and Nigel by saying he was going to take x weeks leave of absence to sort out his health. This could have led to them bringing in someone as an interim with Fleming & Euell reporting in or just leaving them to it.

I very much doubt Nige will be back to full fitness by the new year. Had he still been with us there would have been an even shorter period left on his contract and they could have dressed up his departure by saying they felt it was time to go in a new direction,  pay off the remainder and at the same time wish him well in his ongoing recovery.

He's gone because they don't like his forthright attitude, simple as that in my view. There was no plan in place to replace him.

Or because he’s not fit enough to manage the football club and the performance of the team at the moment for them wasn’t good enough. 

Difficult to manage a team when you’re barely around. 
 

See no issue with their decision. 

35 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Just wanted to share some thoughts.

This will undoubtedly be a time when old manager going / new manager coming in will see comments from posters, me included, giving our opinions and there will be debate for and against on both sides.

But…I see this as a small window of opportunity.

+++++

We have had numerous debates over our time back in the Championship from the managers - Cotts to Johnson to Holden to Pearson, to the Finances, FFP, Covid, etc.  We can all defend our opinions with facts, speculation, and just the way we see it.

However it is clear to me (at least) that we enter a period where we:

• don’t really have any manager “baggage”, no divide from posters who were fanboys of one but not the other.  It feels like a “decks cleared” time.
• no financial issues, FFP at least!  We don’t know the owners funding aspirations / restrictions though.

So we can treat the new manager on merit, although slightly hindered initially by:

• a small squad
• injuries

We will have to wait until January to see if he is allowed to recruit.  At that point we will know whether the budget was just for the old manager or not.  But we can judge new manager accordingly, ie is he hamstrung by budget or not.

Re injuries, a slight tangent, most managers come in and first thing they say is they had to get the players fit.  Well, City are one of the hardest running teams in the division, so that excuse is not valid.  Availability is different.

Ultimately the foundations have been laid.  The new manager has the opportunity to build on them.

I suggest we wait and see who we get and judge them on what they do with Bristol City.

 

Think for me Fevs, this sums it up perfectly. I was never a massive fan of NP but wholeheartedly appreciate the job he has done. 
On the field I thought he underachieved overall. 
 

The way the sacking has been dealt with is a disgrace but I don’t feel it’s a bad time to do it. 
 

SL clearly doesn’t trust NP with money and if he’s going to get someone in, give them a couple of months to assess the squad and then some funds in January and Summer then I think it’s a good time. 
 

NP come in and has done exactly what he was asked to do. 
 

Was he the man to take us further than that? For me absolutely not, I don’t see us ever having made the play offs with NP in charge. 
 

The first issue, making the right appointment. 

Great tackle, harsh red 

Has to be the single worst person ever hired at this football club and we hired Bas Savage

Just now, nickolas said:

So not in it for a fight then to earn a place and took an easy way out. Glad he didnt sign for us then!!!

Think that’s a bit harsh after 2 seasons of being a bench player. Arguably going to be a better team and starting every week or coming here with limited game time. 
Think it’s a perfectly fair decision in honesty. 

Interesting read with JB this morning, put a real emphasis on “game time” and the fact Millwall could guarantee him game time and he’s fell out of love with the game due to not playing. 
 

Really hope it works out for him there. 

Hi guys, 

Drop me a message if anyone is interested. New releases for all clubs around the world. 
Couple of people on here have had a few tops and been really happy

Anyone interested I can sort these tops above for around £35. 
Happy to show previous ones etc 

Mainly based around stuff that isn’t City in honesty mate just trying to help people out but happy for it to be removed. 
Loads of lots for most clubs. 

On 13/06/2023 at 15:43, Davefevs said:

What is this?  Have I missed this in the past?

Cheap kits mate, all the new stuff. Have loads of pics of previous etc 

just much cheaper than the disgusting prices clubs sell them

That time of year again people, give me a DM if you would like any of the latest tops/kits. 
 

From reading into it, their non internationals are in for a week before going off for 3 weeks. They will then return properly. 

Maybe if Nige wasn’t so against the loan market we wouldn’t be in this mess. 

King so far past it, scary. 

Wigan delivery was quality from wide areas and free kicks, ours were very poor. 

Kept the run going, poor performance but another point on the board. Probably the happier of the 2 sides I would say. 
 

Cornick is not a No.9 and we missed Wells. 
 

No pivot in CM or anyone breaking the lines, can only presume Scott was brought off due to bookings. 
 

4 goal contributions in 19. 1 goal, 3 assists not particularly exciting.

9m is a remarkable fee for a player like Semenyo. I think the club have done excellently. 
 

Great win, even if performance wasn’t great. 

2 shots all game, so poor again