Natchfever

6 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Joined Bath City on loan for the rest of the season.

That’s some fall from grace, regular in the squad under Pearson, frequently used as a sub, on loan in National League South a matter of weeks later.

Obvious Manning doesn’t rate him, hope he does well.

Let’s see what Mebude gives us over the remaining 12 games that he doesn’t, eh?

Is he a good lad?

Unless discipline issues its a puzzle for me.

Edit, just saw your comments Pete. Not sure how that level will improve him technically.

2 hours ago, Bob Turnip said:

Sorry, what? Desperate for what? Was just pointing out that whatever discussions were had between them probably wasn't along the lines of what we were told.

 

How can you possibly say that when the top table have said as much ?

3 minutes ago, RedZepperin said:

I think the "top six" idea is over three years. NP didn't manage it and they doubted he would achieve it if he was given three more. They took a punt on LM but did not promise top six after a few months.

Not sure about top 6 but they said top end and this seasin.

Why is history being reinvented on this thread?

3 hours ago, Crimson Crayola said:

He's not wrong. I doubt that ultimatum was put to Manning on his interview.

You dont think he has been set objectives that align with those shared with the fanbase ?

20 minutes ago, Bob Turnip said:

 

Sorry for late reply, but how do you know this was the remit? Were you in the room with them when he was told this during the recruitment process? Just because JL and BT fed us fans a load of tripe, doesn't mean they said the same to LM.

 

 

**** me getting desperate now.

4 minutes ago, Cidre Monita said:

To be honest Natch SL has had 20 years to make things right. As I previously said not quite sure what he would do if he did step in as JL/BT are already carrying out his instructions. 

We agree Cidre.

Just fantasising that he might become a sensible owner and **** off those chancers and bring in people fit for purpose.

Aint happening is it

25 minutes ago, Cidre Monita said:

Must have missed it. What was the point you were trying to make? 

The point is, as Galley says SL should step in and make things right .

He wont do that but we (or some) hope that he will.

Like some want Tinnion removed. Wont happen so  viewed as a nonsensical pov but nevertheless some live in hope.

17 minutes ago, Cidre Monita said:

With all due respect that is nonsensical. Do you honestly think that JL is acting independently of his father? SL is the overlord of our club and anything his son or Tinman say is direct from the big man himself. Nothing will change until he sells up which will hopefully be in my lifetime. 

Missed the point mate.

2 minutes ago, Cidre Monita said:

I have been going to the Gate since the 70’s and share your frustration. However people need to realise that SL is the problem and not the potential solution as you suggest. Remember he effectively sacked Phil Alexander (previous premiership CEO of the year) and NP and Rennie et al. Big respect for you fellow red but that your paragraph is nonsense. 

Unless Lansdown sells then the only hope is that he goes against type and steps in as Galley suggests.

Reality suggests that may well be nonsensical but we can live in hope !

3 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

A lot in there - but just to highlight this. 
 

What you’re describing is a move to a more possession heavy side in a nutshell. And to transition to that, there will be transition of players. And I don’t disagree with building from the base - but what it is would be contrary to a) the continuation strategy and b) our already stated aims in the summer

To expand, we have given Zac Vyner a handsome contract this season. By not including him you’ve expressed implicitly concerns over whether he can do the job LM wants him to do (and FWIW I think a fit Atkinson could) and therefore there should be questions asked - if this was the strategy - as to how good an idea this was.

Im not going to disagree in any way that Max isn’t the best in a possession side. Hes got better, but the distribution is still not great. If you want the model, he needs replacing.

And obviously it is a process, but working on the “build from the back” maxim it suggests spending money there first.

The second issue there is that both Tinnion and Manning have identified the key target in the summer as being a striker. That suggests they see the first building block as different to your analysis (which I don’t disagree with as the sensible way of executing the model). This means the problems then continue as you’ve put the windows in but not built the foundation.

You do have to overlay the club and where you start from in thinking at this point. I think to transition fully and effectively to this model (if it works) is a 2-3 season job. And by the limited number of players you’ve highlighted you’re in the same place. We aren’t going to be holding players of quality for that long, and also based on Liams history, he’d look to move if it does work quickly.

So, I think it is almost as simplistic as I do get what he’s trying to do in theory. And I do see what a “good” Manning team should look like. But I think it’s kind of back to a point that @Davefevs made before - Russell Martin is better at  Soton than Swansea as he has the players to play his way and they are better than anyone else in the league at doing so, just as Liam did at MK Dons season one. And if we were league one, our relative size would mean we would be able to do that transition quickly. The “issue” becomes at this level we cannot afford or will lose quickly the very good technical players that suit this system.

The utopia is him having the best technical players to play this system. The reality is I don’t think we ever get there both due to time and financial reasons so it’s really what he can do without that “utopia” - which is back to the consistent question over him.

Good post tho

Great post .

Utopia doesnt come cheap and is impossible to maintain unless the promised land is reached.

Plus of course the owners business model undermines the retention of such utopian players anyway.

Wholly impractical, and potentially ruinous financially, as im not aware of the club recruiting a stellar scouting network.

1 hour ago, TV Tom said:

It was a woeful and dull 90 minutes leaving us 15th in the table and the fifth defeat in 7 games, anyway i'm trying to stay out of all this nonsense but i've succumbed again, i need to stick to the laugh a minute Rovers thread   

You could always watch the TV Tom.

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Yes it was.

Imho you want to retain Andy King at Bristol City, because he has a wealth of knowledge, a wealth of experience as a player, a wealth of experience of working under different managers and styles, acts as a mentor, is respected by his teammates, has done his badges (some / all?), etc.

This isn’t any old player nearing the end of his playing days.

Agreed.

Hes not a Brian Tinnion is he.

Which is why he will be elsewhere next season imo Dave far too qualified and respected.

1 minute ago, REDOXO said:

Yes is the short answer. There are factors to be considered however 

1 Three defeats would likely have us five or so points from the bottom three

2 The manner of the defeats is key. Here some talk about defeat as if we were in the game but pluckily lost. That’s not been the case in quite a few defeats we were so poor we couldn’t pass more than 10feet against Leeds and QPR for example. If we don’t show up against Cardiff there will be serious unrest which will carry over. 
 

 

I think the bosses see us as safe so will happily back the coach.

18 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

basically a lot of people believe in Andy King as he is a city fan. That’s what it boils down too as if it was anyone else with the same CV nobody would be calling for him 

Yeah good point.

If him and Tinnion went for the same or ineed any job anywhere else though, who do you reckon would be most likely to make the shortlist.

Slightly off piste but probably City in a nutshell.

1 minute ago, Superjack said:

I was delirious.

I don't see how that relates to the current debate though. 

But you carry on worshipping him for that one moment. 

He's a snake. And I now wish anybody else had scored that goal.

Honestly. Its ridiculous how accepting and placid some are isnt it.

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Tony Wilkins remains a clown. 

Man is a ******* idiot regardless....

31 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I got some stick from a couple of posters a couple of weeks ago for suggesting the current way of playing was devaluing Conway.

Its like playing Alex Scott in CM and playing long-ball.

I suspect it has been missed Dave.

Basic maths for a club that needs to beef up its nest egg.

3 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said:

Only when we are chasing a result it seems, though @Davefevs?

I think Manning needs to decide on his “main one” now; it’s either TC or NW and then give them a run of games, rather than chopping and changing every week.

If I’m a betting person, neither with be our main striker next season as can see TC being sold in the summer (due to contract situation) and NW being even more of a bit-part squad player in his final season with us….

Do you think the club is sensitive to the plummeting value of Conway which seems to have coincided with the change of "gaffer" ?

20 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Yes, it could.  A player revolt led by the likes of James, Wells, Kimg etc could see end of Manning.

if we fail to win in next 3 games, change will happen

All of those players are dispensible and OOC come June and they are far too professional to go down that route.

15 minutes ago, old_eastender said:

If the very unlikely event the club are forced to admit the appointment of Manning has turned out bad, reckon making Andy King caretaker to the end of the season, and see how he does, would be a sensible option...

I think they would have to off Tinnion also, and as much as id love that, it wont happen.

30 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

What absolutely boils my piss is 12-18 months ago when we had Gould and Pearson singing from the same hymn sheet many of us were thinking we were travelling in the OPPOSITE direction to what you describe, slowly but still in the right direction, and that "Basket Case" Bristol City was finally becoming a thing of the past. Gould then buggers off to chase his real passion in life and it's as if the shackles were immediately lifted off the Lansdown's and they thought "at last, now's our chance to pile in and run this thing our way again" like a pair of sodding hyena's.............

Going well, ain't it?

I have a horrible feeling that Gould leaving will prove to be our "what might have been" moment.

Great point.

Gould definitely had the gravitas to keep the Lansdowns where they should be.

2 minutes ago, Baba Yaga said:

Having seen some good and bad from Manning I think he deserves to start next season and see what happens from there.

For me it's never a good time to have this poll after a couple of losses. Interesting there is the same poll on here after the wba boxing day game last season where 56% wanted Pearson to be sacked.

If we finish say 15th would you trust him with whatever money is available for next season if hes a 50-50 to replicate this seasons form? 

Took years to sort the financial mess last time.

Wont happen but I would like him gone end of season along with his boss.

2 hours ago, Alessandro said:

The behaviour of the Lansdowns and their historical appointments suggest you might not be wrong.

I also get the sense they really, really want to ‘prove people wrong’ who have criticised them. “See you in the premier league” Tinnion is an extremely telling quote.

I dont believe the current structure will ever gain promition.

Much more likely to go the other way with Lansdown and Sid running things.

Manning would ultimately be thrown under the bus to join those players he himself seems to be edging across the pavement to cover his own shortcomings.

******* mess of a club.

12 minutes ago, CityCiderEd said:

Seriously hoping we don't turn into a 'Watford' type club.....it really doesn't work. 

Dont need to be a Watford type club although id love their relative success the past 20 years.

Just now, Galley is our king said:

Who's saying he won't lose the JR?

Remember he lost out trying to provide us a new stadium on a former tip that just a few saw as a modern day hanging gardens of babylon.

Town green my ass...

I think he would have won that ultimately had he wanted but ancient history of course.

This one seems different with the other mob lookibg for a handout.