The Batman

I wasn't doing it to compare regimes or their position within their society at the time I was asked where Mandela was when the Church Street bombing went off. As we all know, he was in prison, and as I said, he admitted in his book that he orchestrated and "signed off" the bombing from his jail cell. I read your question to me as a way of you saying "well, he was in prison so it wasn't him" (or am i way off the mark?) The comparison with Hitler is because having studied European History my whole academic life, I cannot find a single piece of evidence that suggests that Hitler actually killed a Jew (or anyone for that matter) himself, he arranged for his minions to do his bidding. In comparison to Mandela, was not him that set off the bomb (s), but he planned it. That means he has blood on his hands, innocent people's blood and their death's on his conscience. So if you are saying that because Mandela was in prison at the time, he cannot accept the responsibility of the deaths of those that day, then by the logic imposed, nor can Hitler for killing the jews, because it was not him directly. We can look at others if you so wish....... anyway back to topic..... The IRA comparison??? well considering it was them who funded, helped plan and equip the ANC / MK in these times, i'm pretty sure you can. I'm just wondering if you're refusing to acknowledge the allegiance and great friendship they had or just not aware that it existed?????. If that happened in Church Street Belfast, or Church Street Manchester, would you have been able to spot the difference?? Big bomb goes off killing innocent people in a public space. That to me deserves no praise at all, regardless of who set it off. I've got a very graphic photo of a small child that died in the Church street bombing attack. head imploded, legs gone, intestines out the waist, now i'm not putting it on here for obvious reasons, but according to some of you lot, that child died for "the greater good" - go and tell that child's parents that the kid deserved to die. Better yet, tell me on here. Tell me that a small child's death in a bombing planned by Mandela was justified. necklacing...... It was not just their enemies, if any black person in South Africa refused to take part in the strikes proclaimed by the ANC, they were accused of being collaborators with the regime and they were given the death sentence by this method of torture. as mrs mandela said "with tyres and matches we will liberate this country" - once again, it's too graphic to show on here, do your own research. I'm sorry, but i cannot accept him being whiter than white (excuse the racial pun) like some of you on here. That's just an honest opinion of someone who thinks that killing innocent people by bombing public spaces and torturing people who say "no" by setting them on fire while tied within tyres does not deserve the praise he gets.

As i said, his intentions were good but his actions were not. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Imagine if Lee Rigby's squadron had opened fire on the mosque where his killers prayed, would you say their actions were justified? If the germans did invade us, i think any resistance would have been directly at them and not on innocent civilians. So Hitler takes command of Buck House and Downing Street, I'll tell you what i'll do, i'll go blow up a public space where innocent people are walking around, that'll show them. In Mandela's trial, he said he would be willing to die for his cause, and that i commend him for. But when it comes to bombing innocent people, I simply cannot bring myself to agree. He should have gone down the Malcolm X & Dr Martin Luther King or Gandhi route of preaching non-violence to achieve their aim. Killing innocent people makes him as bad as the oppressors he was trying to overthrow in my opinion. well done Eco & cheese, by the precedent set by the pair of you, Hitler is now no longer responsible for the death of 6 million Jews. He didn't drive the trains to the death camps, he didn't pull the trigger, he didn't set the explosions, he didn't start the fires, he was in the government offices and hideaway retreats when these acts were going on. In Mandela's autobiography, he admitted that he ordered and "signed off" the church street bombing and his followers and fellow ANC / MK members carried out the attacks. Political party with a military wing, bombing innocent civilians when peace talks break down, fighting against an oppressive imperialistic government that have no right imposing themselves on their country.... am I talking about Sinn Fein & the IRA for Westminster on Northern Ireland or the ANC & MK for Aparthied regime in South Africa???

wow. 4 pages in and nobody mentioned anything about his love and admiration for the IRA. Are the IRA only terrorists when they're blowing up people in England? all their funding and training to the MK / ANC came in quite handy in Church Street, Pretoria. - but let me guess, because it's for "the greater good", it's ok?? Tell that to the relatives of innocent people who passed away that day. presumably you're all going to show the same regard to Gerry Adams and Martin Mcguiness when they die. at the end of the day, i will never accept the bombing of innocent civilians as a means to getting your point across as acceptable. Mandela's intentions were good, but his actions were not.

how many points is enough??? 1 point more than the team that finish 3rd bottom the day after the last game of the season.

Ha, i just voted and saw the results as they currently stand. Brilliant.

coldplay or David Grey

i see your point about the swastika, HOWEVER The BNP are a small political party that aint exactly setting the world alight with their "policies". But the Nazi's are known for their out right racism all over the world. If you go to anywhere else in the world and say who are the BNP, it is likely that they aint likely to have heard of them. the Nazi's are world renouned for their racist views, and they inherrited the swastika. The country of a flag surely cannot be considered racist if it's "taken over" by a minority party in Britain. It aint like the flag has a copyright law against it.

i doubt that, they lost to bottom of the footy league today. Yes relegation is a worry, but it's all about confidence and commitment, unfortunatly, we don't have that at the moment. If you look at the league, a few wins will get us just above the mid table mark, it aint like teams are massivly pulling away from us {AT THE MOMENT}. CITY TILL I DIE. KEEP THE FAITH.