DaveInSA

43 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

As examples of consistency? 

Gavin was one of my favourites but he only became more consistent once he realised that he wasn't going to out run defenders and learned to beat people at close quarters. Smudger was a great runner, but his delivery was hit and miss.

Depends on your definition of consistency.

I was consistently excited by those two players .

I didn't keep a log of men beaten and successful crosses made - my bad.

4 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

No, he has to keep trying it, the one out of ten is the important one, and will become 1 in 8 - 1-6 - 1-4 with experience and confidence. His is no more inconsistent than any winger we have had, despite what people's memories tell them.

I’ll raise you a Mark Gavin and a Dave Smith.

I’m looking forward to the game being postponed at half time due to a frozen pitch

1 hour ago, Numero Uno said:

That's the key for me and why Jon and Brian have to stick their head above the parapet and produce now. No plan and no quality is as bad a combination as it gets in the medium to longer term. Nige and Liam in his short time here have proved you can get results when operating with a generally low Q squad but it only gets you so far and doesn't last long as a principle. Twine has been brought in to add quality - that's accepted.

The next question, and it's only 7 months away, is what quality we will have in the building for NEXT season. Will it be Twine and others or if we don't get Twine and others don't come in before the end of the month then where is the quality we need coming from? The hierarchy really do need to be looking and planning ahead to then because if you keep selling your best players and not bringing quality in there is literally only one outcome. Ask Mick McCarthy and Terry Connor who were always firefighting at Ipswich if you are unsure of what that outcome might look like.

If the current plan is genuinely that Twine can help lift us into a play off spot (a bit ambitious imo but not my call) then go and loan a keeper who is up to the level to keep Max honest and get a promising striker in from someone like Chelsea, Liverpool or Man City (i.e. a Tammy type) on loan too and make it happen.

This is the bigger picture concern for me. Our senior pros in the heart of the midfield are OOC in the summer; James; King; Williams, Weimann.

The core of the team will then be under 24 years old. Who has the experience to drag us up the table? If, and it's a massive IF, they get this recruitment right, they will have done massively well. By the way, i'm not saying that TGH and Knight aren't the quality we need. just that they lack experience. 

If Twine was valued at £5million.

And we sold Scott for £25million.

That means that Twine has 20% of Scott's talent. 

In which case, it's a no from me

And back to the thread...maybe, we have a plan. Lets have a looksee at what a creative number 10 can do in our current constrained squad. do we create more? do we score more? have we tightened up at the back? are we winning more games? do the defence have an "out-ball" instead of passing it to each other? etc etc....

Then, perhaps we would understand a bit more about where we are (mid-table championship) to where we want to be (top 6-8 championship). And we could all get a bit more real about the GAP and how we need to fill it.

And maybe we don't have a plan. Which in my simple brain means a relegation scrap next season. because we've been here before.

I’m always a bit meh about loans becoming permanent deals.

fingers burnt so many times. The player you think you’re buying turns out to be a duffer.

lets hope he grows into a magician.

Just now, W-S-M Seagull said:

I don't want to worry you even more, but it seems he's being lined up to be CEO one day...

That bold bit is laughable. He has no credentials to be a CEO. None.

He doesn’t have many credentials to be Tecknickal directo TBF.

31 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Nah, five. If Jon and Sid are allowed to take this forward without backing the manager properly it’s going to look very messy in 3-4 seasons time imo.

We could easily end up going the way of Ipswich, the difference being that whilst they got new ownership in the likes of @Robbored and others will still be thinking that saying “be careful what you wish for” makes you a bit more intelligent than the average supporter and the Lansdown’s will carry on not being able to sell us within a daft vanity structure…….and we can all look forward to lower league Bristol Derbies every season.

I think your 3-4 seasons is ambitious. Next season we will be in a relegation dog fight. In what no doubt will be (according to some posters on here) the toughest championship ever.

Watford 1-4 Bristol City

Call me old fashioned, but I would have taken a 1-1 draw and then three 1-0 wins (very simplistic I know)

Defensively we have gone backwards under Manning. Teams hit us with a simple routine after our “front foot possession based attacking football” gets us NOWHERE.

Offensively we’ve struggled all season.

I’m judging manning on league performances and position only at the end of Jan.

But.

2 things need to happen and soon.

Manning needs to up his game.

Lansdown needs to leave. 

A new owner

5 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Couldn’t agree less with respect. The two at the top HAVE to take responsibility and if they don’t then fans sitting back and doing **** all will have one ending.

For me, this is nothing to do with Manning UNTIL he is given the tools. If he doesn’t perform then he has to be accountable at that point.

But we know they won’t. At all. 

We need desperately a proper football structure with proper qualified football people. Been saying it for years.

We aren’t going to get it with Steve. 

So we’ll bob along in mid table until, until we get into a relegation scrap. Fire the coach. Get relegated anyway and then we go again with a big rebuild in tier 3. 

There’s just no need for it. We just don’t have a sound plan. And it’s unforgivable and so disappointing because Steve is a smart man (allegedly). And dumb and dumber keep bullshitting us at every turn.

Maybe, just maybe Manning is a amongst all the . But we’ll be so so lucky for this to pan out. If indeed he sees out his contract.

In the mean time. I’ll go to my 3/4 games a season and be sad that it’s a little bit more bad than good.

2 minutes ago, pillred said:

How the hell have we gone from being the best team in the second half against a top 6 Prem side to this in a week?

I don’t know if you’ve been following BCFC as long as me (41 years). But it’s what we do.

consistently inconsistent. Ends up being bang average. Mostly.

except in those rare tier 3 seasons where we absolutely turn every team over.

Oh @Shtanley how I miss OSIB, which was my favourite and my best BCFC pod.

That Ian Gay really grinds my gears. He is 100% right all of the time. The he realises he's wrong (actually a good thing to change an opinion now and again) and then he's 100% right again - a total U turn. Bit like the Tories. That makes it an unlistenable pod for me - he ruins it.

As for 3PIAP I enjoy that more. I get the points raised about links with the club, but who wouldn't want to listen to Tommy? I do think they shied away from asking the obvious - when are you signing your contract Tommy question mind 

Clearly they have never been to Ashton “library” Gate though. 

Have I missed something? Or has the dark art of defending been banished?

The humble 0-0 or 1-0 seems a rarity. I have no facts on this but just a feeling about it.

If you don’t have to quality players in the team, conceding none gives you a chance of at least a point. in 2016/17 Huddersfield won 11 games 1-0. 

I think Pearson knew we didn’t have many goals in us. Hence an approach to hit teams on the break and be rock solid at the back. 

I wonder if this is the best strategy to get out of the Championship without the parachute payments? I guess we’ll never know.

How would you keep them AND meet FFP - it's a massive risk and probably not achievable

e.g. Say Alex was on £15000 per week. And he earns £60000 a week at Bmuth. That's an additional amount of £2.3M a YEAR.

you've then blown the wage structure and will have a lot of unhappy players. and also if you're not promoted blown FFP. and at the same time you'll most likely be relegated the following season.

I was reminiscing about the Premier league over lunch. I don't watch much of it and when the amazon had games last week I excitedly tuned in to watch Arsenal against West Ham.

Which, in my opinion was one of the dullest games I've ever seen. You could have played for three days and Arsenal wouldn't have scored. I was bored to tears. So much so that I put together some IKEA furniture at the same time. That was my opinion at any rate. Then I went looking for some analysis of the game, and found this : https://www.cannonstats.com/p/arsenal-vs-west-ham-delayed-reaction

These stats presented a game that I thought I didn't watch

Sometimes it just doesn't come off. Arsenal played well (at least statistically - ignoring the lack of goals). And West Ham just nicked the game.  

:laugh:. Circus of a club - hope they go down.

And I have zero time for Wayne Rooney. A total underachiever at big tournaments as a player. And his antics at WC 2010 I will never forget.

Ok here’s what will happen. Steve will unbox the nest egg over the next three windows. We’ll buy 8-10 players.

We will sell our best players.

We will still be in mid table. But playing a different brand of football with an increased playing squad.

Manning will be fired in December 2025. Along with Tinnion.

and then we will start again. With no real plan or continuity.

3 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Teams can’t play well in every game and tonight City struggled to break down a team low on confidence - it happens in every sport.

Move on and Millwall at AG next.

Teams can and do play well every game. Bristol City at this level don’t. 

Just now, petehinton said:

Pros:

The game’s over 

We won’t need to watch that again

Didnt concede

Joe Williams

The game’s over 

any cons?

they are so bad. and they've dragged us down to their level. i've seen this so many times in my city career.

they are so shaky at the back and we lack composure with the final ball

We should win this one too. I have a little bit of a dislike for the inferior and blue BCFC. 
 

I’ll go for 2-1 to the red BCFC.

8 hours ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Lackey? This proof their is still a few on here that are still sulking...unlike the rest of the support that are fully behind this new era. 

you say we were lucky last three games and yet there were games previous we were robbed by lady luck....

Really don't get your negative stance, as though you are relishing a quick down turn.

Bizarre.

Perhaps Lackey wasn’t the entirely correct term.

I hold the hierarchy of this club in utter disdain. I’m not negative - they’re just not competent. 
 

I’m not relishing a downturn, au contrere, just a realist in a very competitive division. If Manning can keep the levels then great. But fine margins and all that.