Ron W

6 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

What “era of wokeness”? Second time I’ve heard that description on here today and don’t understand it’s relevance

Spudski's era of wokeness!

On 17/12/2021 at 06:13, spudski said:

Look at the way NP interviews...it's painful. Constantly checking in his mind before he speaks, knowing every word can and will be used against him in needed. You just be 'you' anymore. You have to conform. 

Sorry Spudski, you must be talking about a different Nigel Pearson to the one in this video.

Also in regards Lee Johnson more generally - what is the secret that Mark Robins, Mark Warburton, Scott Parker, Marco Silva have been told that he hasn't? Why can they manage sustained spells of success when he enjoyed good spells alongside long losing streaks (on both counts coincidentally much like Johnson Snr, who was managing long before the era of "wokeness").

Are they all secret members of Extinction Rebellion?

I agree with you LJ did a decent enough job for us by and large but I don't understand your defence of him in particular in the current era - when as far as I'm aware every manager has a dressing room full of modern-day players to deal with as well.

Just now, chinapig said:

Getting rid of Adam was symptomatic of the cultural decline of the club.

I totally agree. The club has made strides forward in social engagement or whatever, and fine that's important but it's only one part of the bigger picture. It shouldn't come at the expense of authenticity, knowing the club and the fanbase, which has been lacking ever since he left. Sadly, Jon Lansdown is a massive fan of American sports and our output seems to have been built around that mindset.

3 minutes ago, chinapig said:

It's not commentary it's propoganda. If they told it like it is they would be fired on the spot.

I don't know what else you would expect from an in house operation.

Times have changed - I did most of the 2012/13 season and Adam Baker didn't tell me to change my commentary style once - although some might say that would've been a good thing.

2 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

This was the key sentence for me . Not spending vast sums on players. 

Well, we got one who's 'been there and done it', gave him peanuts to spend, and...

15 minutes ago, Sniper said:

I couldn't agree more mate, does my nut in as well.

All this Woke and PC rollocks and people who want to be called 'they' and all this other weird shite going on.

Dudes with grooves, and chicks with dicks.

Imagine having the tommy tits and having 12 bog doors to choose from.

I think you might have some things to sort out if a question about Ofcom regulations triggers such strong anger about gender identity.

14 hours ago, VT05763 said:

They missed a trick when redeveloping the stadium, should have binned the coffee shop and had a far bigger shop.

Red Sox at Fenway Park is the model, thousands of items and always packed on game day. Must take a fortune.

I've not been in the coffee shop recently but not long before the pandemic it seemed pretty busy at lunchtimes - could the same be said for the City shop if it was twice as big?

Maybe they have misjudged it, but will they be able to sell stock in sufficient quantity for more niche items? I don't know. I don't think you can compare us to Fenway Park either. Much as I'd like to think so, I don't think many Americans make sure they stop off at the famous Ashton Gate on their tours of Europe.

13 minutes ago, Globe Trotter said:

And he wants To come back when he can? 

‘yeah I’m sure that’s the case’ 

Did not sound convincing!

Yeah, very odd response. We read between the lines far too often but... You can't not read between the lines a bit on that.

Has anyone considered it could be nothing to do with the manager? Heard a few rumours the food vouchers from the 2013/14 season tickets have finally arrived.

18 minutes ago, !james said:

Depends how you defined 'worked out'. Took over with them 21st and in big danger of going down under Woodgate, 8 games - 4 won, 4 lost. Kept them up and finished 17th. First full season finished 10th. I would take that... 

Oh come on, if it worked out that well they wouldn't have sacked him. Woodgate was doing a really bad job there with a team which had finished 5th and 7th the two previous years.

8 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Another 'proven' manager that goes horribly wrong, Coppell before and no wonder SL doesn't go big more often.

Something's clearly not right, but given what we heard from Coppell further down the line, the mess the club has been in at various points since (even directly after promotion in 2015) and assuming this is true, maybe 'proven' managers aren't the issue here.

Just now, Top Robin said:

Dont let you despising someone get in the way of the prospect of us winning a few games

Didn't exactly work out at Middlesbrough did it? More importantly if NP does leave, get someone in for the long term, which Warnock certainly is not.

19 minutes ago, cheese said:

Gone - health issues

I wouldn't for one minute want to suggest NP would make this up and I really mean that, but it is curious that's happened twice in 11 years if it is true.

1 minute ago, VT05763 said:

This is the bigger red flag.

Not necessarily. Ashton used to get wheeled out on occasion when the chips were down to try to do some bridge building (with mixed success...). It could be something with NP, but equally it could not.

Not unheard of if SL or someone feels compelled to face the media but would certainly be unusual for a press call to essentially announce a sacking.

7 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Haven’t seen anyone getting angry tbh just stating facts,have you watched the program lately it’s about as fun as the dentist,none of them can barely string a sentence together apart from sue smith who just rambles on talking nonsense 

There's no issue with anyone who prefers the old Soccer Saturday line-up but the way you're talking about it, do you think they all sat around reciting Shakespeare before last season?

13 minutes ago, TomF said:

Wonder if he’s been pushed because of his relationship with Pearson.    Best of luck in his new ventures anyway 

I'd be surprised. Plenty of journalists have poor relations with managers. As Fevs said, his new arrival probably plays a big part.

Hopefully whoever follows is as keen to embrace the social media age as GMG, remember some of the Twitter rants at fans we used to see regularly from Stocky?

Pearson definitely shouldn't go, the tune he's getting out of the players we have isn't a bad one.

That said, it's difficult to blame anyone in the post-match emotions for not feeling the same way. We've not won in 16 home games, seven of those this season with fans back, and we've lost the lead in injury time of three. If I could still get to AG every week I'd be pretty pissed off.

You’ll never please everyone. People will always moan, but luckily God invented the ignore button.

Why's everyone kicking off? Howard Wilkinson is doing a great job up there. That Kevin Phillips looks a real player.

1 hour ago, frenchred said:

For every Mel Morris there is a Brighton owner, Norwich owner, burnley owner, Brentford owner.

Weak argument that everyone frightened of change refer to

Saying 'but he could've been better' while totally ignoring that he could have been a lot worse isn't much of an argument. We've all got our frustrations at not getting PL football in 20 years but you come across like someone with a real axe to grind.

Worried when he came on, Smith had been going up with Baker a lot so looked like he’d carry on but didn’t for whatever reason. Pring looked decent going forward and not bad defensively either.
 

The one defence I’d give to JD is that there weren’t exactly many options crying out for the ball when he did bring it down the left.

Still remember November 2014 very closely but at the point of just putting them now. It’s beyond a joke and no club deserves that belter in charge.

32 minutes ago, Red Exile said:

I think, in part, the answer to the OTIB vitriol lies in something LJ had no control over...the way in which he was defended for so long by many on here as though he was some sort of messiah. They went on defending him long after his flaws had been exposed and loved doing it as it wound others up...myself included on occasion! I notice that a few of the same folk passionately supported the almost indefensible appointment of Dean Holden, and having been let down then decided that Pearson was the wrong choice. There's a contrarian tendency who greatly enjoyed LJ's tenure.

Personally I liked him as a player, made the most of the talent he had. As a manager I found him irritating and pretentious.

The opposite of the man we've just appointed.

I totally agree but would add part of that is human nature. Some of the vitriol LJ had as a player and manager was nothing to do with his ability, and still hasn't been forgotten with some fans. Naturally that puts some people on the defensive, not to say being balanced wouldn't be a better alternative, but you end up defending some out-there accusations instead of mounting your own criticisms in some cases.

6 hours ago, big dosser said:

Getting the best out of charlie wyke and aden mcgaidy shame he could not do that with are centre forwards and Kasey palmer.

Yeah, I’m sure Tammy Abraham and Bobby Reid are gutted they ever played for him.

There’s plenty of rational reasons to have gripes with LJ as a manager, is it too much to ask to not make up new ones?