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3 minutes ago, Negan said:

You’re probably in bed asleep now as it’s gone 9 but well done ya relic. Proper fan 

1 hour ago, BS3City said:

I'm sure I remember a game on MOTD from the late 70's when Spurs hit nine!

Can't remember who against though...

Not Arsenal, because we beat Arsenal that day. 

6 minutes ago, frenchred said:

I have just watched a bit of this for the first time. 

Surely this has to be the worst programme on our screens of this type?

Half the reporters couldn't string a sentence together!

Does what it says on the tin, gives you the Final Scores, such as: Portsmouth 3 Few Sag 1. 

6 minutes ago, Negan said:

Jesus Christ you're all ancient mind. 

Three consecutive relegations, near-extinction and winding up, Newport '82, two seasons in the 4th div, 1:7 at Northampton, playing second fiddle to the Few, 10 consecutive games (not including Glos Cup - what’s that you say? Ask yer Grandfer) and 4 years without a win v the Few, runners up to the bloody Few, hammered by the Few at "their" place, ten years pissing and pfaffing about losing to Gillingham and Walsall to get back to this level, Millwall away when it put hairs on yer chest and bricks through yer coach window, those of us that followed through the 80s are warriors and heroes and yes, we have aged a bit (just read that again: three-consecutive-relegations) but we are still here, hard as ****, City as ****, seen it all, think-this-is-bad-you-ain't-seen-nothing-yet-bbbbbbabber, the diametric opposites of "snowflakes" - we are old, but we're still here. And the club's still here because we were here/there (every ****ing where) back then.

They don't make 'um like us anymore (hey, put yer phone down. I haven’t finished .....)

39 minutes ago, weepywall said:

Was the crowd about 12,000 that night ? Can't remember, obviously 10,500 in the enclosure !!

11,000 or so. Think Les is still, er, counting

1 hour ago, SBB said:

I never promised value in the title or my OP. Merely calling out “supporters” who are strangely absent during the good results but are prominent during the bad. Not that difficult a concept to grasp really. 

It's human nature to be more bothered or pre-occupied by negative events than by positive events, it is quite commonly thought. That's why "news" is full of bad things and news outlets pump out bad stuff, 24/7. It gets more attention than "things are going well."

Some people just feel the need to offload when we are shite, get it off their chests (and get a/see the reaction), and not so much when we beat Luton 2:0. People feel disappointed when we lose and need to do some-thing about it: the forum offers a public arena for dealing with this need.

Best way to reduce the moaning is total tumbleweed, no response at all to anything negative. Reason and logic and facts in response to when people are feeling emotionally disturbed in the immediate aftermath of defeat (and late surrender of one point or three) is worse than useless, it's counter-productive.

3 hours ago, TransferForum said:

Back where we belong…. From a very smug and entitled Forest fan.

56 seasons at the top, 58 at the second tier. I reckon you belong in both ....

I don't have any stats to add here, just some ramblings on human nature and refs going about their work.

If I'm a Championship ref, then Ashton Gate is not the worst place to be sent to officiate. For referees, Ashton Gate is not a "difficult place to go." 

We all, in our work, have customers or clients we prefer and customers or clients we do not. Customers or clients that are easy or easier, customers or clients that are difficult, or a pain in the arse. If I am a Championship ref I prefer reffing at AG to say The Den (obviously) or Brammall Lane.

Ashton Gate is a nice place to go, with a nice owner, a nice ground, a nice crowd and often a "nice" (for nice, see also non-threatening) manager. Imagine being a Championship ref and making a poor decision: you then know you will be confronted by Lee Johnson. You prefer this to being confronted by Alex Neil, Neil Warnock or that spittly nasty Welsh fellow at Luton. Same under Deano. Nige? Not so much.

In the 1980s, we had to get one of those 'telescopic' tunnels to pull out to enable the officials and players to exit the pitch safely. It was tight and claustrophobic in the tunnel area, with an often rabid disgruntled mob around the vomitory, quite possibly often including Otib's @GrahamC. We gained notoriety for our "liveliness" shall I say, referees would've been aware of "incidents" involving officials and the crowd at AG back then.

I think the goal we scored v Doncaster in 1988 we can attribute to 1. What was at stake, and 2. The "liveliness" of the crowd and what they might do should things not go Bristol City's way that afternoon. And 3. A referee's very human preference for not making things difficult for yourself where you don't have to. 

Nowadays, the area around the tunnel is broad, spacious, and populated by a nice, docile crowd who wouldn't say boo to a goose. Added to this,  OTIB's own @GrahamC, a vitriolic heckler of hopelss officials, now watches from the other side of the ground.

And on top of all this is our anonymity at this level, our irrelevance to football beyond this region (compared to say another "nice" club with a "nice" crowd and owner like Norwich), our absence from the big moments and big discussions on a national level about football in the Championship. At this level, Bristol City don't really matter, so if I'm a Championship ref and I don’t give Bristol City a penalty, so what? 

11 hours ago, Ian M said:

If you check out the link from higher up the page of 31 European leagues from 17/18 season until 10/01/2022 (the point the list was published) you can sort by minutes per penalty or "big chances" per penalty which I guess would satisfy the question of attacking intent?

We are bottom of both. From 600 teams. And by a considerable margin at that.

We have played a further 25 Championship matches without a penalty since that data was published.

This is the bottom 10 sorted by big chances per penalty.

If people will put these sort of things together, then someone has to be bottom. 

11 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Needs a better song that what he’s got. One of the consistent better players we’ve had in years and he’s got a song that nobody can understand, let alone him!

There's Barry Manilow's "Mandy" (Oh Mandy, you came and you signed without asking, and we cut half yer wages. Oh Mandy, you run up and down without stopping, and we want you to stay. oh Andy, you scored and you stopped us from shaking .... ) I can see that being adapted quite easily.

Just now, tts_city said:

Why would you ?

Did I say I would? 

7 minutes ago, tts_city said:

Injuries and suspensions apart I dont think you should change a team thats won.

Why not?

3 hours ago, spudski said:

Those two graphs just prove what I witnessed again with my own eyes. 

We started the second half again on a downward trend, even before the red card. Possession and passes allowed...

I know we had a 2 goal cushion...but I remember thinking to myself when the second half resumed ..that our intensity was lower. More passive. I don't know what's said at half time...but we definitely come out second halves differently to how we start games 

Great win, great performance overall...but the evidence is clear to see in those graphs.

 

Thing is, two goals up starting the second half, what is more important - scoring a third, or keeping the opposition to nil? To go for more, or hang on to what you've got?

Walking back out for the second half, the team had something to "throw away," something to lose that we didn't have at 7.45. At 2:0 up we had "three points in the bag" and another goal wouldn't mean any more points.

It’s one thing to talk about it in theory, or even impress it upon the team in the dressing room at half-time, it's quite another to walk back out on to the pitch in front of your crowd and not revert to type or habit somewhat. The tendency to "circle the wagons" and protect what you have is seen across various team sports, the England women hockey team did this v Australia in the Commonwealth final recently, after starting so brightly and building a two goal lead. To change the group "psychology" is tremendously difficult and will take time, as I don't need to tell you, we have been poor for so long now.

Perhaps not a surprise over the period from LJ stuttering then struggling up until well into Nige's time during which we would not infrequently have two or three attempts on goal, sometimes fewer, little possession in general, next to none in the opposition third,  were dreadful to watch, and presumably spent little time in the opposition box in possession of the ball?

But seeing as we were 7th, was it?, top scorers last season, you think some of that must've changed.

5 hours ago, Robbored said:

The way in which Nige used Martin was excellent. Coming on late to bolster the 10 men 

Crikey, sneaky Nige! And he got away with it? Fair play, I bet he kept this quiet when talking to Sky

I was telling a young man in Weston recently who identified as a Manchester United fan that most of their trophies have been won under two managers but he didn't seem to absorb this. Just looked it up and 56 of their 66 trophies - 85% - were delivered by three managers: Busby, SAF and Ernest Mangnall. 

They're doing ok really, at the moment, no great disaster, when you look at it like this.

1 hour ago, OliOTIB said:

Jesus. Calm down pal

Due to the current financial situation I was just questioning how much of the money would be spent on improving the squad and what percentage Lansdown would take out of it.

Not a daft post at all, just raising an opinion.

Probably be the next owner after SL that takes more than gives. If anyone takes us off his hands, that is

4 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

You can try hard , don’t mean a thing. 

Not if the way you are doing it is not the right way, no

9 minutes ago, ooRya said:

If I was a supporter of Bristol City as a business, then I would agree with the OP. But I'm not, I'm a supporter of Bristol City as a football club, and I want them to try and win things.

So keep the crown jewels and build around them.

We need to be in amongst it at the top of the Championship and look like we are going places (places like Anfield and Stamford Bridge) not down the bleedin' bottom looking like another year of struggle lies ahead to have any chance of persuading or convincing a player with the potential to step up a division and interest from a club already there to stick with us for one more season.

39 minutes ago, ooRya said:

There was a thread recently, asking why a city the size of Bristol doesn't have a top flight team.

Sadly, this is why.

So many people "prepared" to sell, or resigned to selling Semenyo and/or Scott, when in reality, if we ever are going to have a shot at the prem, we need to be building around players like this.

 

I know people will come back to this to say "£38 mill loss" "FFP" "Points deduction", but that's right now - what's the excuse for the past decades?

Brentford have done ok out of buying and selling, and buying some more. It's not what you do (most clubs are doing broadly the same thing) it’s the way that you do it. And that's what gets results.

.... team stays in bottom 3 all season, crowds shrink, income shrinks, L1 rocks up, season ticket sales shrink, all other income shrinks, further sales and cuts required, team starts poorly in L1, crowds dip below 10k .....

5 hours ago, The Constant Rabbit said:

I think if we get a younger replacement for Martin - anyone who can run out a full game tbh - and have a solid 4 at the back and 4 across the middle, then a heck of a lot of issues will go way.

 

When the midfield crumble, the team crumbles.

 

NP cannot expect the opposition to have an extra player in the middle for most of the game and not for us to come off second best.

 

If we need loans - so be it

 

4-4-2  - ditch the wingbacks.

 

I know NP has recruited for  3-5-2  but he has to admitted we don't have the mids to cope.

 

If we can't get 3 champ quality loans in 1 striker, 2 mids), then NP will have to switch tactics.

 

Where are these players? I don't know - it's to be hoped the club have a list of potential late loanees

 

Long hard year if we stick with Martin and 3-5-2

 

All that will happen then is that the opposition will "set up" differently against us and exploit the weaknesses that come with 4-4-2 and posters on here and students of the game will suggest 3-5-2 as the way to overcome our difficulties. Probably. 

Problem appears to be too many Championship sides have a few too many better players than we have. Until Kalas and Semenyo return, we can hope.

19 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Only by the negative bed wetters who crave instant success.

We're all melts at the moment 

2 minutes ago, 22A said:

In Peter Godsiff's history of City, he wrote that Warmley and St George were deadly rivals. If they had merged it would have saved them, but their rivalry killed the pair.

Sounds familiar 

2 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

OK, how much ?

Thrupence ha'penny?