Sheltons Army

I realise your post two weeks old but Half a million deaths , or close to Have they had the South African variant yet ?

think that makes him a ‘woolly back’ then

I think he’s interesting for many Phil I was thinking of pundits or posters ! (Hoddle my star example - Gary Neville Good too ) that see things that %99 do not ) Im sure Hoddle must seem very insightful even too many , if not most , League managers and coaches

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I find him a bit irritating Phil Seems a nice guy but insightful (To a hot level ) ? Not particularly IMHO Theres a poster in here who I would say is moreso

Well they are already paying 3 Who no longer work for them ! ???

I saw a lot of the Sags during his reign (Plotting Against them as opposed to ‘watching them’) and his sides with Hayles , Cureton , Roberts etc were some of the more potent and entertaining I’ve seen from the Sags It eventually went wrong and hasn’t run well for him recently but IMHO he’d be a sensible and good appointment for them in their situation

His post match interviews were completely bizarre - I commented on them - sounded totally disinterested and distanced which for any manager , let alone one in a new post was massive alarm bells

As in all walks of life , In football , there’s also lot of bluffers within football mind Dave A lot who merely regurgitate phrases said to them or they’ve heard or been thrown at them in a FA Course Its the ones who can actually analyse and find the remedies themselves, and man manage that succeed - the rest get found out eventually You only have to listen to pundits and see how many have seen something you havnt and in some cases never would Not many Hoddle is the one for me - every time his understanding and identification of aspects of the game always has me in awe. On this forum , on various Club Podcasts there are some very astute football eyes - IMHO we have a notable one here ,and many who make excellent points , suggestions There’s a lot of snobbery in football with an idea that (All) fans know nothing - that’s complete b*****x

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An interesting post and perspective Kid and one, not that it matters , that probably should be in the ‘What Would Cotterrill do with this squad’ thread (Can only ever be theoretical as SL certainly won’t) Would I have him back ? No , certainly not whilst we are in Championship On the positive side what SC did was something I’ve hardly witnessed in my decades of City (GJ being another who could claim ) He turned us around, from a mess , and built a side , (With some SOD foundations , recruiting to a plan , and simply delivered Back to your post - Did I respect what SC did here - Absolutely Did I ‘like him’ - I’ve said previously, personality wise No , Not really (There has to be some like for the respect and appreciation for what he achieved ) i have neither the evidence or knowledge to dispute your post , and if I’m honest my gut feeling of my watching , listening to him is that it’s probably pretty accurate However that doesn’t allow for the nonsense claims that he bought League One and the unappreciation he gets from some still, for what he did here. Moving on , Johnson was the equivalent of winning the Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory Golden Ticket and wasted a significant opportunity as SLs personal pet project to build on what SC left him. Personally as an owner, or as a work colleague , I’d rather have a SC type who I know it may be bumpy with , and that I’d have an occasional nose to nose with , than somebody who talks a good game but is full of hot air , a view that was paramount in my career I guess (Accepting that SL is running a large business where he can’t have significant numbers of staff unhappy)

Agree with this though

Reid - despite some pointing out it was analysts suggestion he definitely deserves credit , though as (I think it was @Davefevshas previously suggested Reid learn a massive amount from Tammy Abraham’s season here - Remember his move upfront also coincided with him spending the whole summer.privately training to improve his physicality / conditioning so credit to the player himself as well Kelly - Im not sure anyone wouldn’t have been stupid enough to not bring him through - developed him ? bit of a bold claim , undoubtedly helped but natural ability and potential etc was still Kelly’s value when we sold Joe Bryan - Id say more natural progression of a very decent focused player personally Pack - Possibly the best argument from that group , probably got the best from him tbf , but he was also fixated about Packs role Flint - disagree - he didn’t fancy Flint and was pretty open about that - Cotts was the one who jumped forward with Flint , together with a personal desire within Flint

Luke Ayling ?? we stole £200k off Leeds for him On a serious note........ (lets for arguments sake ignore their any inherit abilities and natural development ) Webster........ and Brownhill ..... some credit with Reid .... and..... uhm.... and.... uhm.... 68 you say ? Oh

You’re still trying then Considering he also had more money to spend than any manager in our history No manager in our history had the sort of money he had to spend, especially at league one level. it’s complete nonsense and fabrication Just , merely , as an example You missed us buying Akinbiyi (£1.2m , Thorpe £1.35m and Soren Anderson £800k within 12 months in late 90s , then **** My personal tip , and spoken as someone who wasn’t Cotts biggest fan some personality aspects , is to be extremely grateful for the fun and enjoyment he provided , rather rare & unique in all my years , rather than try to undermine what he achieved, with false claims It may be a long wait for anything similar for you and many younger fans

I Should have asked you in the first place Dave ! Knew you’d have a good records, and decent analysis of the picture Nice one And a great post

I had a look myself - Gives a list of incomings and outgoings at least https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bristol-city/transfers/verein/698/plus/1?saison_id=2014&pos=&detailpos=&w_s= It also includes the departures of players and loanees summer 14releasing funds Baldock £2.25m Little was a free transfer Wilbraham a free transfer Agard to replace Baldock £800k ish and most of the rest you’ve highlighted Loans Ayling , Smith Freeman & Co - Signed from L1 - Do you think they were on blockbusting wages do you ? (Johnson trebled our wage bill btw) You said he benefited from unparalleled spending power - again I ask where is there the slightest evidence of this

You obviously have looked at all the figures ?? If so - Id be interested in a bit more expansion & evidence Of his luxury spending Baldock ...an ‘excuse’ ....... An ‘excuse’ for what ? And - Do you not think they knew Baldock would move in that window ? He built a team - Johnson collected the toy collection from Hamleys and Couldnt form a side in 4 1/2 years , save for 3 months when the side picked itself (And remarkably none pulled a hamstring)

A lot of sense and good points in three paragraphs Boooooooooooooom

Really ? Please tell all.... I thought it was a team put together with what he had , and some very astute signings that he brought in by selling Baldock..... Where was this unrivalled spending power ??

That was merely a convenient point to pull the trigger Dave Cotts was already marked for the firing squad by then, and He hadn’t done himself any favours in the preceding weeks and the outcome was inevitable , Like you (And probably as a similar personality ) I can’t blame him for feeling let down after what he’d done, but it was only going to rapidly end one way. Its what we did next that really irks me

A bit of nonsense ? Buckets of Bluff I’d suggest Might have helped if he had stuck to basics, not constantly promoted himself , not talked to fans like they couldn’t ever hope to understand the game, yet he was the font of all knowledge and thinking , not thrown players under the bus on tv or radio.... And not sneered at other managers who achieved more at a level than he could ever dream of .... Might have made him a bit more palatable

Sags not impressed ? https://gaschat.co.uk/thread/17475/magician

Tisdale Thought they were ‘fabulous’ ????

Radio Bristol now A truly cracking deluded belter We don’t turn on our players We take massive numbers away, we fill town centres Other Clubs fans love us .... Seriously - pure comedy - worth a listen on catch up ??????