Better Red

1 hour ago, REDOXO said:

 

 

Again the title of this thread is...Semenyo is not a striker they score goals!

Semenyo is not playing at the pinnacle of our attack as a goal scorer, as using your term, a Striker, more than implies!

Fammy is being played as an old fashioned center forward, (number nine) that is clear. With multiple defensive duties  I would suggest he would get a kick out of his name being mentioned with the players you mention 

The other forwards you mention are world class goal scorers that you prefer to call strikers, most of whom are being played as a one roll goal scoring forward, (your term striker) which Semenyo certainly is not.

However it makes my point perfectly as these guys are few and far between and all have played at the highest level with the exception of Bamford who might. 

We have forwards, we don’t have an out and out goal scorer (your term Striker) and it certainly has not been Semenyo.

Thus If you had titled the thread Semenyo is not a forward they score goals, it may have made more sense, but still would have been wrong!

 

 

Are you for real. Few and fat between..

You don’t think Wells is a striker.

I stopped listing ‘Strikers’ because I got bored.... 
 

Here is just a few more to help ‘Strikers’ Note not all world class and named a few you might know.

Maupay, Woods,Ings, Jimenez, Puki, Deeney, Toney, Jukiewicz...

with the best intentions your are talking nonsense. 

Santa Claus, The lockness monster, Yeti I will give you but Striker...

Come on

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Don’t worry, the sooner some people realise that they are constraining their thought processes by using terms like “striker” to evaluate performance of a player the better.  It can be useful, in its simplistic form, but perhaps demonstrates why English football hasn’t evolved like in other countries.

Thomas Muller, idolised in Germany, Dirk Kuyt, “doesn’t score enough” in this country.  What does that say?

Same as people thinking 433 is more attacking than 451, and the number of “strikers” determines your “attackingness”. 

What a load of horseshit!!

A recent German squad simply listed their players as Goalkeepers, Defenders and Forwards.  Not striker in sight.

Don’t be ridiculous.

We all know what a Striker is.

You just look stupid trying to argue they don’t exist.

Honestly have a word with your self...

Not sure I can take you seriously with nonsense like that.

26 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

I don’t agree with the whole notion of striker. I thought that was clear. We have forwards. The nearest to an out and out goal scorer is Wells, which I think I mentioned earlier in the thread. However Holden has played him out wider not centrally, by and large with Fammy more centrally, nevertheless Fammy has a defensive roll to play that he is complemented on consistently, of which I’m sure you are aware.

At this time we are not playing with an out and Jimmy Greaves style “Striker” who has only one roll to score (to be frank many clubs don’t currently as they are few and expensive) Could Semenyo become an out and out goal scoring striker....? Of course....Is he being played as one, no!....Mainly because of all of his excellent work he unsettles himself in front of goal. Will that get better of course, because he’s got the makings of a great player, we will see where that leads.

I’m not sure what difficulty you think I or anyone else is having. I don’t agree with the premise of the thread and have now said so three times. 

Your last paragraph has some resonance. He needs to add more goals which I said in the comment you are replying to. More goals and he may get played down the middle at the pinnacle of our attack as a striker, however right now he offers more as a running forward and as impressive in that role, not in the role that he isn’t playing  which you are criticizing him for. 

I hope that my thoughts stated again are clear

 

 

Sorry you don’t agree with the notion Striker’??

Not sure what you are saying. If you are saying that Strikers do not exist any more I think you need to re think that theory.

Fammy, Wells, Kane, Vardy, Cavani, Calvert Lewis, Bamford, Aguero, Lukaku, Lewandowski, Mbappe, Holland...

They are all definitely ‘Strikers’

Might just re think that statement 

so you might need to make it four times but remove the bit about ‘Strikers’....

Happy for you to desegregate about if he will score or not but not about that Strikers don’t exist..

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, and he’s more of a forward than a “goal scoring striker” at this fledgling part of his career.

82 appearances (41 starts) 9 goals, 10 assists.

Mins 4316.  Equiv of 48 full-90s.

That’s the context, and that’s not too shabby for a guy who plays all across the line.

Abd that’s not adding in his general contribution.  A lot to look forward too.

 

 

Hate to say it but 23 games and no goals this season does not help the argument...

 I notice 9 games last season and no goals as well but don’t think we should judge him on last season as not getting regular starts. 
 

4 hours ago, REDOXO said:

Semenyo is a forward. He played well on Saturday and was our best player. The commentator was impressed. 
 

The idea of Striker is largely due to a cartoon. We have forwards who need to get more goals and that is a fact but the whole premise of this thread is just plain wrong. 

Glad you agree he is not a Striker that was the whole point of this thread.

Not sure about cartoon comment - I do mean a Striker. They still exist although are current Strikers may have you confused you....

The main point was I don’t think he will score goals at this level (Championship).  As of yet he has not scored 1. 
 

My opinion seems to have been unpopular with certain members of the forum and they are struggling to come to terms that I was right(up to now)
 

Despite the ‘Fact’ that we all agree he is not a Striker and he has not netted a Championship goal this season it still seems difficult for people to except I was right (up to now)

As for his position agree plays wide in a forward position and looks a decent player. But needs to add goals we can’t afford another COD 1 or 2 a season is not enough and if we are to improve we will need at least 6 a season as a minimum.

The debate now is will he score at this level ? 

3 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

No goals for Antoine today

That @Better Red May be right you know

Whats the betting no goals again tomorrow 

I notice you did not add an extra day....

1 hour ago, SecretSam said:

But if he adds goals, that will prove you wrong. Will you cope?

If he starts to score yes he will have proved me wrong. As a city fan I would love that.

I said -
He ain’t a Striker

Wont score goals in the championship 

Decent player can play wide but needs to add goals. We don’t want another COD (never scores) if he does not add goals eventual he will just end up on the bench.

Our coaches need to coach him better.

10 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said:

 You are comedy gold. Absolute window licker.

But one who was right(up to now)

Its not my fault I said what I thought(surely the point of OTIB) and so far have been proved right.

Also not sure Window Licker is appropriate that comment says more about you than me.

1 hour ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Ok mate. You don’t look silly at all in this thread btw. You have lots of people agreeing with you 

 

Does not matter if they agree or not.

Zero goals in 24 goals says on the balance I am right. Again I will say at the moment. 
 

If it changes and he scores a few goals then I will be wrong. So let’s save the ‘silly’ for when he starts scoring..

Until then best you stop telling me I am wrong as clearly I am right. It just makes you look ‘silly’...

48 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

If there's one thing worse than writing a young player, breaking into the first team, off after failing to score, despite othe contribution... 

It's then discounting what he then does do well, because the title of the fixture happens to have "FA Cup" in front of it..! 

Everyone should be delighted and greatly encouraged by his excellent goal today, not trying to discount it, because you'd said something stupid in the first place...! 

No ones trying to discredit it. I said I thought he scored a great goal and had a great game.

I said he ain’t a Striker - Got pelters and now everyone agrees.

I said he would score goals in the championship. 24 games later no goals.

So when you say ‘Stupid’ check the facts.

Also note I said I think he could be a decent player. I said he should play wide. He needs to add goals.

What bugs me is everyone seems to want to prove me wrong.  

At the moment I am not. Everything I said was right. 
 

You may like that I am right(up to now) but I am.  So less of the ‘Stupid’ and more of the you were right....

23 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

He literally scored against a Championship team today.

But not in a Championship game..

Hence my comment that he won’t score goals in the championship and he ain’t a striker.

I think we all agree now that was right he is not a Striker.

Has he scored a championship goal - no..

Not sure why everybody is so keen to say you are wrong when ‘clearly’ up to now I have been right....
 

For the record I think he could be a decent player but has to add goals. Let’s hope he does.

Just now, TonyTonyTony said:

Gas leak. Has to be 

Gas leak - sad.

what you should be saying is - Yes after 24 games I think you might have a point.
Maybe I was a little harsh to say so quickly you were wrong.It may change in future and then I will post to remind you of what you said.

Until then I would keep quiet it just makes you look silly...

6 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

I’m enjoying your embarrassment

Championship goals = 0 

Let me know when I am wrong looking forward to it.

until then I am not saying I told you so but...

Just now, SecretSam said:

He literally scored against a Championship team today.

Clutching at straws.... 

Just now, SecretSam said:

You really are a prong

But ones who is right (up to now)....

I said he ain’t a striker and he won’t score goals in the championship.

Goals scores in the championship= 0

By all means tell me when he gets a goal or becomes a Striker at Championship level.

I hope I am wrong and I hope it is with us.

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Belter Red

Cup game not league so does not count...

Great goal. He had a great game.

Better playing from wide coming in. 

1 hour ago, Sheltons Army said:

Let’s hope @Better Redis ok

 

Hes normally posted , post match , by now 

Just did  a post

2 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Sorry to spoil your evening

Great game, great goal, great finish... pleased for him. Played well.

But Cup goals don’t count...

Still no goals... another week

Not saying I told you so, but...

On 12/01/2021 at 18:53, Better Red said:

But dare I say right....

And still right...

Another week goes by and no goals....

I don’t want say I told you so but.....

9 hours ago, RedRock said:

Agree, in general, but a very few players are worth persevering with. Semenyo is a possible candidate imo.

The problem with the Bobby Reid example is for every Bobby there are at least forty who still won’t make it, even by the age of 89 and playing every week.

Our player development strategy is not sufficiently ruthless at identifying and rejecting those who are not good enough. This breeds complacency, in turn, that supresses rapid development of player potential imo. 

 

 

Agree about development strategy. This crop Is poor.

People are saying Massengo looks a good player. That’s how bad this crop is.

Seymenyo does have something I agree and with better coaches I think he could be a decent player.

But if we are saying 3 goals a season is a good return for a ‘Forward’ is good enough then we are setting out bar to low.

If can get 6 plus then move him on. Same goes for COD not enough goals so get rid. 
 

Vyner is best prospect at the moment and I get the idea that we would have moved him on 6 months ago. We have a problem with academy and it’s recruitment, retaining poor players and coaching.

9 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said:

What utter nonsense. Semenyo is probably our most creative spark at the moment. You can see him growing every game - it wouldnt surprise me to see him banging them in once his confidence is up and he has hit the back of the net a few times. 

At the beginning of his career Marcus Rashford was criticized for not scoring and labelled a winger. 

Semenyo is so young it is absurd to label him as you are doing. Its almost like you want him to fail, so you can say "i told you so". Pathetic really

It’s a game of opinions. It’s just my is right at the moment.
 

If he scores goals I will be the first to come on here I say he proved me wrong.

Just to be clear I don’t want him to fail.  I was saying he will.

I have been waiting about 20 games so far... 

18 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Semenyo has two goals this season btw (and 6 assists).

Zero goals in the league... And he is playing every game.

10 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

Are you admitting here that you have a desire to say 'I told you so'?

You've completely missed the point or misunderstood the obvious point in my post - give young players time. 

Your point of view is just reactionary and naïve - and that's being kind!

 

 

But dare I say right....

1 hour ago, DaveF said:

He doesn't play as a striker though, he plays as a winger?

That was pretty much my original point. He ain’t a striker as he will never score goals.

The only problem he is now a winger who dont score.. That ain’t what we need another player who can’t score. The squad is full of them.... 

I think him and O’dawda must be something like 60 plus games and zero goals.  Even I know that does not sound right for a winger.

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

wow.  Well done you!

Yet for many (me included) he was our best player yesterday.

For all my criticism of O’Dowda over the while, I’ve never wanted anything more than for him to come good and fulfil the potential he has.  He bloody winds me up, but I’ve never wanted a player to fail to prove my judgement right.

What a fan.

It’s not about being a fan. It’s about saying what you see.

The real question is if I can see that why can’t the coaches. Maybe the can and maybe they have tried to improve that side of his game but he still does not like scoring. 

On O’Dowda another player who plays in a front line and does not score.

Have they booth played well ? Yes but and it’s a big but they don’t score goals. Not a few - None 

If we as a club want to progress then they have start to score. If not move them on.  If that means they both leave them so be it. 

I want the best for the club and sometimes that means making hard decisions.

Massengo another one if you listen to people on hear he would be in the team. Just not good enough. I have know idea what they have seen this year. When everyone is fit won’t even be in the squad.
 

Yesterday it was Adelakun and again not going to make at this level.  Offered nothing and got dragged off.
 

Lets be honest and say what we see not what we want to see.

Not sure what the problem is I said he ain’t got a goal him at this level and as of now I am right. Happy not really I would love to have been wrong but I am not.

It’s not about being negative it’s about honest and saying what you see.
 

As for a fan - Yes