Mr Mosquito

Football and disorder are in an Englishman's DNA, it's part of English culture and heritage.

 This excerpt is from a Wikipedia article on the history of Medieval football.............

Football's roots in England has been found in Medieval football, which was played annually on Shrovetide. It is suggested that this game was derived from those played in Brittany and Normandy, and could have been brought to England in the Norman Conquest. These games were violent and largely ruleless. As a result, they were often banned.

England is the origin of nearly all first accounts of features of football:

In 1280 comes the first account of a kicking ball game. This happened at Ulgham, near Ashington in Northumberland, in which a player was killed as a result of running against an opposing player's dagger. This confirms that by the 13th century kicking ball games were being played in England.

In 1314, comes the earliest reference to a game called football when Nicholas de Farndone, Lord Mayor of the City of London issued a decree on behalf of King Edward II banning football. It was written in the French used by the English upper classes at the time. A translation reads: "[f]orasmuch as there is great noise in the city caused by hustling over large foot balls [rageries de grosses pelotes de pee] in the fields of the public from which many evils might arise which God forbid: we command and forbid on behalf of the king, on pain of imprisonment, such game to be used in the city in the future."

In 1409 King Henry IV of England gives us the first documented use of the English word "football" when he issued a proclamation forbidding the levying of money for "foteball".

.....this article indicates that the ruling classes have frowned upon football and the associated disorder for the past 700 or so years. The ruling classes control the Police so it's no surprise to me the resources that the Police command when chasing down football supporters for the most minor misdemeanors. A dawn raid is hardly commensurate for a football supporter involved in minor disturbances.

We all knew this was going to happen though.

Dawn raids have been happening all over the country for years.

Any football related trouble is treated differently to other offences, it's been the same for 20 years.

We had the same after the 96? Pitch invasion ( chasing the gas players off the pitch) and a lot learnt from that and realised a jail sentence would be next if caught playing up.

It's the way things are done now,like it or not.

In the 80's and 90's we got away with things, it doesn't work like that now, it's a mugs game in 2013.

Indeed, we live in a completely different country now to how things were 20 to 30 years ago. There are now more cameras in and around Ashton Gate than on a fleet of Japanese tourist buses in London. Police can sift through the pictures at their leisure with maximum financial backing from the Oxbridge educated Con-Dem muppet political administration that see football supporters as lowlife oik scum.

Tis a cold night up here, but the ground is pretty soggy everywhere. a good night for our Jockanese contingent and any ey oop whippet owning, flat capped naaaarthen boys who luv their graaaaa veh to do the biz.

the soft southern shandy drinking wusses will all be hiding under their duvets.....

COYR.. only gonna be a few of us, but lets make some ******* noise!

I know you wont let us down bucksred, shake the Northern/Southern - or whatever they are - Watford bastards up with the Bristol West Country roar.

I thought I would share my thoughts with a wider audience mainly because the match was so rewarding from a City, fan and personal point of view. I could hardly have picked a better match or a better result to see in person.

The atmosphere reminded me of the heady days of promotion from Division 4.

I would appreciate some views from all of you and critique my player ratings.

A superb write up.

Like others have mentioned, Bristol lad Cole Skuse is coming good and Williams seems to be improving with each game that passes. We're now on the cusp of a return to top flight football.

My car is genuinely British, but it isn't new. It's a Triumph TR7... and it managed to go a whole 4 days without breaking this week.

Years ago, I used to own an Austin Allegro - 'all aggro' - a whole 4 days without a niggly problem was a minor miracle for that car. The only other 'British' car I've ever owned was a mid 1970's Hillman Hunter 1500cc and that was a superbly reliable car. You can't beat German and Japanese made cars on performance, price and reliability these days. Thus, the nations that were trounced during WWII now make the best cars !!!

Hands up all those that drive a British car. And watch a British telly? And blame Oliver Cromwell?

That'll be just you Red Gobsh1te.

What's brought this on MaloneFM?!

Perhaps you should also blame Oliver Cromwell, John Lilburne and Co for the rights you now enjoy with regard to freedom of speech and expression in today's England. Ordinary Englishmen/women are actually represented by a House of Commons that is, more or less, free from tyrannical toff/snob royalist interference - thank Cromwell and Co for that as well. Or would you rather be on your knees to some royalist snob/toff landlord with you having to ask permission to write on this forum for instance?

I also drive a German car and watch a Japanese TV because they're reliable - and that's due to freedom of choice and is a benefit of the free market economy. Free trade and freedom to buy what you want was another concept endorsed by Oliver Cromwell and Co.

hannah_BCFC, sorry to hear you've been bullied. I'll fill you in with some detail as you're off school, just to make this topic related - fighting bullies - voices from the past:

Cromwell and his contemporaries in the English Parliamentarian Republican army stood and fought the tyrant Scottish King Charles I who would have the ears cut off and noses slit of any Englishman that would dare oppose him and his snob ridden regime. King Charles did have head severed from body at the scaffold in Whitehall London 1649 as punishment for bullying our ancestors.

George Orwell fought the bullying attitudes of many tyrannical regimes of his day with his typewriter. Orwell fought in the Spanish Civil war and served in the English home guard during WWII Orwell's books Animal Farm and 1984 were written to serve as a warning to future generations of Englishmen not to be subjugated and bullied by the state. In today's England we see many attacks on our hard won liberties e.g. with BCFC fans arrested at Walsall for queueing to enter the football ground after drinking a pint of cider.

George Orwell and Oliver Cromwell are two of the most interesting characters from recent and past English history. Many contemporaries of George Orwell even wrote that he would have felt more happy in Oliver Cromwell's New Model Army of 1645 with its spirit of political and spiritual freedom and radicalism rather than living in early 20th Century England with its blind obedience to its Royalist state institutions and oppressive and haughty Empire.

But where does this leave us as BCFC supporters? In poxy olde Div 3 with just a glimmer of hope of promotion this season My mind thus wanders from BCFC's current lowly league status plight and onto the great aims and visions of Cromwell and Orwell

Yer.... hail the RedGoblin & Cromwell 

P.S.    And BCFC 

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I consider myself to be the harbinger of the spirits of Cromwell and George Orwell on this forum. Take heed O corrupt West Midland's Gestapo Police and your corrupt Crown Prosecution Service supporters - you are now the ones being watched

This forum needs more heroes like you bucksred I'm not sure that my anti-Danny Wilson and anti-West Midland's Royalist Gestapo Police comments have been missed by this forum's moderators.

Long live freedom of speech and expression

I'd like some keyboard warriors from other clubs to try boarding the yellow submariner forum No attempt has yet been made to board the sub so far, perhaps we need to surface

Click on the URL below to board the BCFC yellow submarine........

Well Bristol Boy, while you are lieing down I wish to commend myself to you as your deputy. We clearly are in tune with respect to player's discipline. However, I think the PFA my be concerned with your "shotgun" disciplinary processes. I suggest something more cunning. "The club regret to announce that our centre half has had his contract terminated with immediate effect after an unfortunate accident involving the Clifton Suspension Bridge". That should put us beyond suspicion.

I'm also not keen on the pay as you play scheme. Afterall, for at least 60 minutes of most games, Aaron Brown wasn't playing while he was playing. I'd prefer a pay as you run scheme whereby the player's distance covered is measured and he is paid appropriately. Obviously, any player running up and down the touchline in a pay improvement attempt will be marched straight to Clifton. Phillips will just have to take a massive pay cut.

....well the facts speak for themselves - since Aaron Brown was injured we've struggled to win games. I'll be glad when Aaron Brown's back even if, as you say, he doesn't play for 60 minutes in any game. It was his contribution over those 30 minute spells that often turned games well in our favour

I still ride mine and have been for 20 odd years, its an easy way to beat the traffic, the parking is easy and you get home a lot quicker.

....I haven't had a motorbike for years but am considering getting one again to beat the traffic. Perhaps BCFC could encourage more people to ride motorbikes and pushbikes to Ashton Gate by giving a discount on admission. This would certainly help alleviate car parking and congestion problems on match days

Up the City

###### Red Goblin, they were the days, the Granary rocked, and the music and bikes!    

One of the few places bikers and footy fans got on in them days. 

Shame City went tits at the height of all them times. 

Being p***** was occupational then, but not if ya rode, those wicked handling bikes would have ya just like that.  

different days, different atitudes too.  

The worst bike to be on when p*ssed and when the road was wet was the 750cc Suzuki 2 stroke. I think it was known as 'the kettle' the power band cut in at around 2000rpm and the back wheel would not grip due to the sheer torque - lethal. Most of the lads that drank in the Granary were, and still are, staunch City. Those were good times.

I see very few bikes in Bristol these days compared to 20 odd years ago

:Party3: Back in the 70's alot of the city side had a connection with Burnham on sea, They regularly used to drink in my local,on more than one occasion on a friday night they would shall we say be quite merry,this before a first division game, Hopefully, I would like to think this would not happen now :Party12:

Drinking heavily and driving is not recommended especially remembering that Adge Cutler died when he lost control of his sports car 30 years ago. I seem to remember someone saying he was well cidered that fatefull evening. A very sad loss for BCFC and the West Country.

Of course you don't deserve to die for being twice over the drink drive limit, but at the end of the day, this young footballer has no-one to blame by himself.

He'd had no sleep for 24 hours, he was twice over the drink-drive limit, he was doing 120mph, weaving between lanes without indicating in the fog, with no fog-lights on.

Talented footballer or not, if you're going to take risks like that, you have to accept you might end up killing yourself or someone else.

And I don't think theres anything 'tragic' about his death.

Seems to me that he may of committed suicide. Just twice the drink limit, or the equivalent of 3-4 pints of beer in the average build of person, aint enough to consciously make you want to drive at 120mph in fog. I might be wrong but something does not seem quite right about this car 'accident'.

No one deserves to die for being twice the legal drink drive limit. The crowd I used to hang around with, almost 20 years ago, used to often be probably 4 times over the drink limit and ride high power motorbikes and we're all still around to tell the tale!!!!! Them were the days of ye olde Granary

Up the City

yeah i agree to a point but what i can see peacock is over working

ie: going to the wing to get the ball to much when we have sod all

coming down the flanks for him and miller, we can see millers strong

point is his heading so why are we not getting decent balls in on

to his head or take a leaf out of peterborough and sheffield wednesday

who could clearly see we struggled to cope with the long throw in's, if

we have 2 big men upfront then we have to start to play to their strenghs

and get the ball in on their heads more, i can understand our ground play

if we were playing roberts and lita but as i've said peacock has come

far to much to the wings to get the ball, why oh why don't we

play goodfellow on the left and roberts on the right 

i'm sorry a.brown is just to inconsistant 

At the end of the day our defence has improved immensely this season but loads of chances are going begging up front with no one able to convert a better percentage of them. Don't know what went wrong exactly last night against Wycombe as I wasn't there to see it. Aagainst Sheffield Wednesday Lita and Goodfellow should of been brought on to menace their defence so 3 points lost up there and 2 last night. We just can't afford to drop any more points.

I totally agree that Peacock is a workhorse, but so is Miller and it seems to me as though no matter what Peacock does it is aways Miller that is replaced, and is never given a chance to play upfront with Lita.

Another type of workhorse is a 'mule' or 'donkey' etc. We don't need too many mules/donkeys upfront we need thoroughbred strikers up front to bang home all the chances that Peacock and Miller can't convert.

Up the City