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“It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true” . Well Joey, as Berty Russ highlights, with 'no ground' to speak of whatever 'proposition' it supposedly supports is false, a fallacy, a non-entity. Guess as a modern-day thinker you now accept that as proven. So, might I ask, what are you still doing in Bristol?

Post match press conference when asked if he thought his side were naive in conceding such a late free kick, Barton replied: "Guilty...." Perhaps there's hope for him yet....

Apparently, unlike Barton, The Gas lacked conviction tonight.....

Is Joey eating Steak & Kidney or Humble tonight?

I love Pie Eaters....... Crime doesn't pay.....

Well here's hoping he's sent down in consecutive months....

When's his pending court appointment due? Wouldn't it be funny if he got sent down (again) whilst on their payroll......

I believe Barton won't be reunited with his brother until 2022 nor his cousin until a few years after that, assuming that is the Parole Board falls for their racist, murdering crocodile tears. Some 'family club' that.....

Just imagine, should when under extreme pressure Thug Barton lamps an opponent or official, what punitive punishment The Gas might pick up? Better imagine were such punishment to see them relegated. Such stuff of which dreams are made....

At his opening press conference Barton was asked his first impressions. "When you stare into the abyss the abyss stares back at you." "Still quoting Nietzsche then Joey, Beyond Good and Evil, I think," jested one scribe. "No. That was my first impression walking into The Memorial...."

Wash your mouth out, Sir. That 'prat' laid much of the groundwork upon which Tisdale has so admirably failed to build. Great teamwork.

Perhaps forum members might like to consider it this way? Rather than considering them 'personal' attacks on certain players, an apparent agenda against them, perchance it could be members stating the blindingly obvious in that amongst a woeful squad of players there are some who simply shouldn't be there. Players who aren't good enough and never will be. City underperform because they do. It's interesting to note the difference in attitude between those we've acquired and those we've supposedly developed (sic). I could pick from dozens of examples (they're not personal attacks,) but here goes: In the former category we have the likes of Wells and Mariappa. Wells is pound for pound the biggest waste of money ever spent at AG. He came with a vastly over-inflated reputation, he's only ever had two good seasons in an otherwise inglorious career. I'm not convinced by: 'he's playing out wide', 'low on confidence' excuses. He's supposedly a quality striker, save he's unable to hold up the ball, has poor touch and if he can't motivate himself to 'go and go again' it means he's a loser. As clearly are City. Mariappa's another. Other than being 'Ex-Premier' I knew little of him. I do now. I know he hasn't the ability to track a run, I know he thinks the best way to tackle an opponent is to point to where a teammate should intervene on his behalf, I know he's firmly in the Bryan school of defending the cross (i.e. 5 yard distant so not defending at all,) I know he ducks under headers in the box. I know he should be anywhere but AG. In the latter category the excuse is usually they're 'young', 'for the future'. Neither are acceptable. Either they are able to compete, NOW, or they are not. If it's that they aren't up to it, they shouldn't be in the squad. Folks bang on about Bakinson having a 'nice touch' and 'movement'. That he does, though only if there's nobody within a country mile of him. He is also allergic to the tackle and, worst of all, gives the ball away time, after time, after time. These final two characteristics render him a liability in midfield and until he learns to rectify his weaknesses he shouldn't play (at least not for City.) Ditto Semenyo whose 'Last Time I Scored A League Goal' counter ticks faster than the US National Debt billboard in midtown Manhattan. So the striker (who isn't) gets dropped deeper and deeper and deeper such yesterday he was supposedly a wing-back. Save he wasn't. His tackles are as rare as him hitting the back of the net. He should be dropped deep; somewhere near Clevedon Town, I reckon, where he may find use for his talents. I could have highlighted 15 or more other first teamers. Until we cease making good excuses for bad rubbish we deserve the types of performance (sic) we observed again yesterday. If you wish to continue with the excuses then, in my book, you're every bit as culpable as Ashton, management & medical staffs.

That's the kidder. I, too, was in the Open End at Cracker's Corner being passed over heads to the front. Recall the sheer excitement all day in the build-up (my Grandmother lived in Bath St,) and walking to the ground with my Dad and Uncle after getting togged up in Xmas bobbler, scarf, rosette & being handed a Gert Big wooden rattle. Recall being wedged up against the railings by some fella or other then clinging on chimp-like for the duration of the game having been told to ' cheer the boys in Red.' That game alone is why I follow City all these years later, though you rarely see an Everton Mint doing the rounds these days.....

If it's the Wolves game it sure wasn't a friendly - it was my first game, December 28th, 65. I still have the programme. As a young kid I thought every game would be that packed....

Stanley's most famed celebrity supporter doubtless shouting: "Start The Car!" Tisdale shouting: "Wait for me..."

I suggest all City fans carry the OP's image with them at all times, such when berated by the woke, latte supping denizens of 'Lower Clifton' (sic) for daring to park near their homes or use their bars and eateries, we can loudly proclaim: "**** off, we were here first...."

Ah, was the cup final really the first ever game there - I didn't realise that? I know Bolton won but no idea who was in their side. Of the 66 World Cup and animals, my fav trivia is why it was White City hosted the one game (oft forgotten as one of the venues?) Wembley's owners thought the competition insignificant and refused to cancel the long-standing greyhound meeting that took preference.

...we all love him too.....

I'm old, but not that old. Is it a trick question, something like the groundsman putting the nets up? Couldn't even recall the name of the kid who scored the first at the new Wembley, though recall that was some youth exhibition fixture. I know the 'White Horse' Final was in the early years of the old Wembley but not sure it was the first fixture and no ideal who scored were it so. Only trivia I recall is I think the horse was called 'Billy' who along with 'Pickles' are the only footy related animals I can think of.

Psychologists term it 'learned helplessness'. When you've repeated been subject to a negative, adversive and uncontrollable situation you learn to give up, even where circumstance dictates one can get oneself out of the situation. The Gas know their place and have learned to accept it.

PETA? Promotion Ever Trailing Away?

I didn't know that, but are you suggesting City went over a year without picking up a 'niggle' on the pitch? They may be old by now but any from that era still alive should be subpoena'd to attend the AG treatment room immediately and explain their secrets!

Just looked Showell up and interestingly it was he who also started our record breaking run when he came on (also against Man City) on 5th Feb 66. Next sub we used was Terry Bush against Rotherham on 22nd April 67. Why nothing in between?

Great stat and not a player I particularly recall. From that date it also appears to be around the same time as Keith Peacock was the first to 'trot on'. If so, was the record we held that we then went on not to make another substitution for ages ? I always thought we were late adopters, not that we tried it and didn't like it. If so, any idea why we went so long without bringing anybody on?

Is that the Rovers Laptop? Recall visiting my employer's HQ in Tokyo in the late 80's where they'd taken delivery of a Cray 'thing'. They had a glass wall installed such visitors could marvel but not touch, something about heat and dust... Looked like the monolith in 2001, no cables, switches and barely more than a couple of LEDs presumably to indicate it was powered. I thought it might have been an elaborate hoax....