bringbacktherobin Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 What is the difference between standing for a football match and standing at a concert at a football ground? Some play with their balls to make music, the others watch a game of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 What is the difference between standing for a football match and standing at a concert at a football ground? Tell gig goers they cannot stand they will stop going so its to do with profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Tell gig goers they cannot stand they will stop going so its to do with profit. So, safety comes 2nd to profit... why cant that applie in football?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 What is the difference between standing for a football match and standing at a concert at a football ground? Basically, the people who died at Hillsborough weren't watching Bon Jovi. I'm not saying I agree and I think the reasoning is pretty flawed but the government's attitude is that they made the regulations as a direct response to that tragedy and there haven't been any crushes at football since then so they see no reason to change them. I think safe standing should be assessed properly but unfortunately the people in power in the government, the FA, the police, and the clubs are just not interested in doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 the health and safety facists just want to wrap everybody up in cotton wool it's why this country is obese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I think safe standing should be assessed properly but unfortunately the people in power in the government, the FA, the police, and the clubs are just not interested in doing so. slightly more complicated than that, the government subsidised many stadium rebuilds with taxpayers money, in esssence you helped build these boring all seater stadiums, now if the government ad the FA allowed safe standig areas , then those clubs that reintroduced them, would have a massive advantage over the clubs that could not afford to rebuild there grounds again, that advantage being a atmosphere so many of the big clubs would not support the government allowing safe standing to be re-introduced regardless of what their fans want. it would be intresting to see if the conservative party are still in favour of safe standing ow they move ever nearer to government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I say **** it, we're ALL going to die and some point anyway, may as well be watching football enjoying ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartolona Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 If enough people stand especially at away games they can't do anything to stop it, Charlton and Palace spring to mind. Home game's are more difficult because none of us want to risk a ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I say **** it, we're ALL going to die and some point anyway, may as well be watching football enjoying ourselves. And I say you may want to be a little less insensitive and speak to the families of those who died at Hillsborough and re-evaluate your opinion that they died enjoying themselves! I think you'll find they died in agony and in panic and fear....Now that may be your bag, but it sure ain't the way i wanna go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 And I say you may want to be a little less insensitive and speak to the families of those who died at Hillsborough and re-evaluate your opinion that they died enjoying themselves! I think you'll find they died in agony and in panic and fear....Now that may be your bag, but it sure ain't the way i wanna go! I think you misunderstood my post, but maybe i should have elaborated more. Hillsborough was an awful tragedy, agreed, but most people i'm sure will also agree they would prefer to live their own lives without interference from government H&S bureaucrats. I'm a responsible for myself, i can make my own decisions about whats safe and whats not, i don't need the HSE patronizing me thankyou. Heath and Safty in football grounds and the work place is more for the company to protect itself rather than you, for instance.. WET FLOOR SIGNS, they don't really give a shit about you, they just don't wanna be sued when you break you ankle because you're not looking where you're going. by having a WET FLOOR sign absolves them of responsibility. A bit like a Memo, i'm sure all you office workers get them every day from your bosses, Well Memos are not there to inform the reader, but to protect the writer. The claim culture goes hand in hand with the HSE. I would prefer to hand out Darwin awards to the stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondsbury_red Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 And I say you may want to be a little less insensitive and speak to the families of those who died at Hillsborough and re-evaluate your opinion that they died enjoying themselves! I think you'll find they died in agony and in panic and fear....Now that may be your bag, but it sure ain't the way i wanna go! standing didn't cause the hillsborough disaster the police did. they let all the fans in and as they stormed forwards they pushed everyone else forwards. even in the taylor report he said 'standing accomadation isn't intrinsically unsafe. the government and police just blamed standing instead of admitting it was the polices fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted June 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 If it dangerous to stand watching football surley they should have the duty to protect people at concerts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beau45 Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 As at football they try to ensure people sit, however when everyone stands this is impossible! The same as everyone standing in the EastEnd its impossible to sit a whole stand, if the Dolman or the Williams all stood together there would be nothing they could do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted June 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 As at football they try to ensure people sit, however when everyone stands this is impossible! The same as everyone standing in the EastEnd its impossible to sit a whole stand, if the Dolman or the Williams all stood together there would be nothing they could do! I wasnt on about standing at football and ways to break the rules. If Steve Lansdown is worried about my safety at football due to standing, why wont he do anything at Bon Jovi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beau45 Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I wasnt on about standing at football and ways to break the rules. If Steve Lansdown is worried about my safety at football due to standing, why wont he do anything at Bon Jovi? He does they tell you to sit at a concert too, just like at football, its no difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 The local Council can revoke the Grounds Safety Certificate, that's why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted June 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 The local Council can revoke the Grounds Safety Certificate, that's why. A threat that has never been put into action by council on any football club, only sections of away allocations have been reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunningdalered Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Given that the average age of a bon jovi fan is probably either under-15 or over 60 it'll probably be like a **** family wedding, where the young ones jump around and make a ******* nuisance of themselves, and the older ones sit down around the edge tapping a toe occassionally (not unlike the normal EE/ dolman arrangement really! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EASTEND WURZEL Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I wasnt on about standing at football and ways to break the rules. If Steve Lansdown is worried about my safety at football due to standing, why wont he do anything at Bon Jovi? I suppose its because technically the only standing tickets available are on the pitch so there is no incline to worry about just a flat surface, although people will possibley stand in their seat allocation , but that will be the same as a regular City game. This may result in stewards asking them to sit down and face possible ejection from the stadium. If you have a ticket for the EE Remember Cyclops sees all!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 You can stand to watch and openly drink booze at first class cricket and rugby games in this country therefore we do not have the same law for everyone. At Huddersfield where Rugby League & football share the ground, you can stand and drink whilst chatting to the Stewards for the RL, but return to the same stand a few days later to watch HTFC and the same stewards make you sit down and ensure you can't drink as it's not permitted! Back in November when City played at Ipswich, as I was escorting a wheelchair, I was allowed into their North Stand away to the right of the remainder of City fans. I commented to a Steward it was unusual to see fans stood behind the goal. He replied they had tried to make fans sit, but as they insisted on standing, what could they do. Besides he continued, we're at a football match, what do you expect? OK folks, first signing this Summer; ITFC's Stewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondsbury_red Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 if a club introduced safe standing the fla and local council would have to prove that it's unsafe. they can't just deny a safety certificate. also how can it be ok for fans in leagues 2 and 1 to stand but not in the top two divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted June 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 if a club introduced safe standing the fla and local council would have to prove that it's unsafe. they can't just deny a safety certificate. also how can it be ok for fans in leagues 2 and 1 to stand but not in the top two divisions. No club has the bottle to do it though, no club wants to stand up and be the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 OK folks, first signing this Summer; ITFC's Stewards. not sure about that, many of the end of season reviews from away fans visiting ashton gate thought our stewards were OK this season I just hope common sense prevails like it did last season and this standing issue is put on the back burner if the majority in the stand you are in are happy to stand then it should be fine, but if you're in the dolman or williams blocking the view of people that don't want to stand then common sense should dictate that you sit down or move to where other people are standing, like at the back or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punnett Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 I was at the Cheltenham festival in March stood on the big terrace with 1000s of others (many were paraletic drunk) and it was like being on the Kop in the 70s, brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 The local Council can revoke the Grounds Safety Certificate, that's why. if any council did that, they'd lose the next election , so they won't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiceRed Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 also how can it be ok for fans in leagues 2 and 1 to stand but not in the top two divisions. Was going to raise this point myself. Seeing as standing is supposedly too dangerous for me at Ashton Gate, why are Rovers fans allowed to stand at their place? Does the lower quality of football on offer there somehow make it safer for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted June 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 if any council did that, they'd lose the next election , so they won't do it. No they wouldnt, the majority of non football public still think football has massive hooligan problems and fights break out each week. Naomi Campbell punched and spat at a police officer, she had 100 hours community service. If anyone did that at a football match it would be a 3 year ban of attending football matches and probably a prision sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshy-shuffle-carl-shutt Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Was going to raise this point myself. Seeing as standing is supposedly too dangerous for me at Ashton Gate, why are Rovers fans allowed to stand at their place? Does the lower quality of football on offer there somehow make it safer for them? The FA has different rules for each league so depending on what league youre that is how they asees the ground. Say we did get promotion last year then the Prem would asess the ground to see what capacity would be safe. I believe the higher the division the tougher the regs well thats my understanding of it. I thought i read something a while back saying standing areas will be re-introduced to some stadi ,surely they have discussed it enough but i don't think the clubs really want it back because the police would say they need to put on extra rozzers to cope and hike the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42 trumpton Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Was going to raise this point myself. Seeing as standing is supposedly too dangerous for me at Ashton Gate, why are Rovers fans allowed to stand at their place? Does the lower quality of football on offer there somehow make it safer for them? Somebody answer this point please, because the way things are going its going to be 10 years+ before every league ground is all seater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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