cider head Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Last week two city lads drove all the way to Ipswich to be stopped from entering the ground because they were told they had had too much to drink, one walks off the other gets arrested for answering back, held in the cells till next morning gets £180 fine and a four year banning order, that is just bloody stupid, does this mean that any saturday they could ban 80% of those trying to get through the turnstiles, this is like walsall all over again except no press and no fight back in court, too much to drink but drove all that way???. Note key words ''drove'' ''too much to drink'' but arrested for answering back??? no checks for drink drive then?? not asked how did you get here? but £180 fine and 4 year ban for answering back??? the worlds gone potty??????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff65 Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Should have gone to a rugby match for his 18th - Police wouldnt have touched em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punnett Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Last week two city lads drove all the way to Ipswich to be stopped from entering the ground because they were told they had had too much to drink, one walks off the other gets arrested for answering back, held in the cells till next morning gets £180 fine and a four year banning order, that is just bloody stupid, does this mean that any saturday they could ban 80% of those trying to get through the turnstiles, this is like walsall all over again except no press and no fight back in court, too much to drink but drove all that way???. Note key words ''drove'' ''too much to drink'' but arrested for answering back??? no checks for drink drive then?? not asked how did you get here? but £180 fine and 4 year ban for answering back??? the worlds gone potty??????????? Is there no end to this increasing Gestapoesque tactic that the police are now operating, i can really see football going down the pan in the next few years what with the current economic climate pricing real football fans out of the game and the anti-social behavior of the police, has anyone noticed the woeful attendences the likes of Birmingham, Sheff Weds, Southampton,Palace have been getting recently,very worrying what pre-season sales are going to be for next year.Back to the police, as a middle-aged law-abiding citizen i have absolutely no respect for them after seeing the way we, as football fans are treated, it is just antagonistic and bullying tactics which many stewards also seem to be operating, they are the thugs and hooligans not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 in the current economic climate I fail to see how the police can justify the expense of their recent football operations or their infringement of civil liberties. Going to away games as a supporter of the away team will become a thing of the past as increasingly independent travel is seen as a threat to public order. The police are ruining football, as is the overzelous steward with his attitude problem and lack of common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 You can see why more and more of the traditional supporters are turning there backs on the game. This is a disgusting way to treat people, restricting peoples movement around the country is surely against human rights. If there was any more reason to get rid of the New Labour Barrister party then I have yet to find one, this country gets more like a communist state every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punnett Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 You can see why more and more of the traditional supporters are turning there backs on the game. This is a disgusting way to treat people, restricting peoples movement around the country is surely against human rights. If there was any more reason to get rid of the New Labour Barrister party then I have yet to find one, this country gets more like a communist state every day. I wonder if section 27 will be used on Boxing Day to control the fox-hunting brigade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 All, I'm Amanda Jacks from the Football Supporters Federation. I'm posting as we've been doing a lot of work over the last three weeks with football supporters effected by new police powers given to them under Section 27. More here: http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/Section-27-been...-on-you.php?id= The FSF have received an email that was copied from a Bristol City forum concerning a group of people who'd hired a bus to go to your game yesterday but were turned back by police just outside of Birmingham. If anybody reading this was effected or knows the group of supporters, it is vital that they get in touch with us - it could be that our legal representatives would like to speak to you plus we can give you advice on how to making complaints about your treatment. I can be emailed at amanda.jacks@fsf.org.uk or if you'd rather speak over the phone, PM or email me and I'll let you have my number or take yours. Did Never to the dark side cought the incident on pic 9? http://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=109577 SORRY, not 40 persons in that wan for sure.. Anyway in general you should be proud of your police. Bastards are to be found in all professions. 8 times out of 10 they pick their friends of soul. This time they where wrong and for that they shall appology. They shall also cover the expenses of the affected. Self evident in a democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0738parkway Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 On a slightly different issue , last year at the qpr game in that stupid escourt to the ground my son who is 22 and wouldnt say boo to a goose bent down to do he s lace up only to get kicked right at the bottom of his spine causeing heavy bruising and severe pain and discomfort for weeks , as i turned to the copper concerned he looked me in the eye and his words , do u want some aswell pal , I'm afraid these incidents happen more often than not and once your nicked by the corrupt copper you have no chance in court simply cos your a football fan , A gashead who works for us went to leicester on the train hasnt been for a while , so he gets off the train with other gas at 1.00pm and then ges herded into a packed pub with the lads so to speak and isnt allowed to leave until 2.40pm and is then escourted to the ground by the OB HES 62 the OB havnt got a clue and I'm afraid there getting worse , At away games now i try not to go the pubs where city fans may meet for a sing song or just to congregate , if anything i will go into a so caled home pub and just be a tad careful, the away pubs always seem to be overkill by corrupt OB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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A Horse With No Name Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Just wondering, but would the police be able to do the same to an official City Cats coach if they felt the need? The coach in question was authorised by Tommy Alford, so makes it official, although I think I am right in saying that to run a coach to an away game you have to register it with the Police force in the area of destination, especially Sheffield Wednesday (from experience) because they meet all the coaches at a given point and escort them in. They never mentioned if they had done that, but even so to turn away innocent fans is a disgrace. If anybody on the coach was breaking any laws, then by all means arrest them, but it's harsh to make everybody pay. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Good to hear Radio Bristol covering this, I also hope that City take time to talk to those involved, and if appropriate, offer support and give this the publicity that it deserves. Maybe do something jointly with Plymouth, as I understand their fans were affected at Doncaster. In terms of local campaigning, maybe a concerted effort by all of those who have the misfortune to be 'represented' by Dawn Primerola by writing/ e mailling might also raise the profile, as most NuLabour drones are solely interested in self preservation, and if all City fans did not vote for her, she would be in big trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flaxbourton Red Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Good to hear Radio Bristol covering this, I also hope that City take time to talk to those involved, and if appropriate, offer support and give this the publicity that it deserves. Maybe do something jointly with Plymouth, as I understand their fans were affected at Doncaster. In terms of local campaigning, maybe a concerted effort by all of those who have the misfortune to be 'represented' by Dawn Primerola by writing/ e mailling might also raise the profile, as most NuLabour drones are solely interested in self preservation, and if all City fans did not vote for her, she would be in big trouble. the same political party that have refused to listen to supporter's requests for safe standing as used successfully in Germany each week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 With few incidents of civil unrest (inner city riots, poll tax, miners etc) since Maggie Thatchers days, I've thought for a long time that football fans (peaceful or otherwise) may unofficially & unwittingly be providing a real-life 'hands on' training opportunity for police forces up & down the UK. Think about it, most of todays coppers are too young to have been involved (apart from in controlled training exercises) in real life large scale crowd control & have little or no real experience of dealing with hostile crowd situations. Now if I were a Chief Constable where could I look to for getting my 'troops' trained in this field? What situation provides on a regular basis large groups of like minded (mostly young & fit) males ... travelling out of town on mass, in a common cause, maybe with some with drink inside of 'em, etc etc .... people who for the sake of public awareness can easily be portrayed with few questions asked as 'trouble-makers'? >>>> ANSWER ... The FOOTBALL FAN: ...High spirited, large numbers etc... - Joe Public rarely likely to question police tactics. They could'nt get away with such tactics when dealing with isolated incidences of small groups of drunken youths fighting out on the town on Friday & Saturday nights for example. Masses of crowded shoppers in a shopping mall could'nt fulfill such police needs either (not yet anyway ) - There would quite rightly be a public outcry if mass OTT tactics were employed by the police in such circumstances. I can think of no other regular occurances of large groups of members of the public congregating or travelling together to other towns etc than the football supporter... Has the football fan become a convenient unwitting participant in 'hands on' real life police training for riot control/civil disobediance ??? - I think maybe he has.. or am I missing something here? just a thought...... (ps.. The Football 'Industry' is huge in this country - is it unreasonable to think its about time the Clubs & governing bodies got together to protect the rights of its hundreds of thousands of law abiding customers?.. -they know whats increasingly been going on, so come on Football help the authorities crush the 'hoolies' BUT don't turn a blind eye to whats happening to your fanbases & very life blood... Stand Up For Your Customers before its too late!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Feel really sorry for those lads, ###### shame. ###### OB, they are all ###### ***** with nothing better to do. Btw, this legislation was introduced to tackle terrorism! If I was a Member of Parliament I'd insist on getting a deal done with the Russian Government to get their Siberian Gulags re-opened. Our hopelessly corrupt Police and their Toff puppet masters would then soon be learning the meaning of real work in minus 40 degrees of frost. What was good for our Police's German Gestapo cousins after World War 2 is good enough for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartolona Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Just wondering, but would the police be able to do the same to an official City Cats coach if they felt the need? The coach in question was authorised by Tommy Alford, so makes it official, although I think I am right in saying that to run a coach to an away game you have to register it with the Police force in the area of destination, especially Sheffield Wednesday (from experience) because they meet all the coaches at a given point and escort them in. When we take a coach Tommy tells us where the escort is and what time to get there, he also tells the relevent OB to expect our coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Did anybody go on radio Bristol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 All, I'm Amanda Jacks from the Football Supporters Federation. I'm posting as we've been doing a lot of work over the last three weeks with football supporters effected by new police powers given to them under Section 27. More here: http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/Section-27-been...-on-you.php?id= The FSF have received an email that was copied from a Bristol City forum concerning a group of people who'd hired a bus to go to your game yesterday but were turned back by police just outside of Birmingham. If anybody reading this was effected or knows the group of supporters, it is vital that they get in touch with us - it could be that our legal representatives would like to speak to you plus we can give you advice on how to making complaints about your treatment. I can be emailed at amanda.jacks@fsf.org.uk or if you'd rather speak over the phone, PM or email me and I'll let you have my number or take yours. I'd just like to thank you for exposing the way our hopelessly corrupt Police continually seek soft targets such as travelling football supporters and motorists in general to enhance their 'crimes solved' figures. The Police have already bullied our useless Government into awarding them a very generous pay deal that our country can't afford and the Police are now trying to justify their overpaid and underworked jobs by harassing soft targets such as football supporters and motorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave L Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 If anybody who was actually on this coach feels they were hard done by then please email me at david.lloyd@bcfc.co.uk with details and I will look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 But they made up a whole load of s**t, said if anyone has a problem they can come to the local station and take it further! Obviously no ones going to do that. With many Police stations now built like *unacceptable word* fortresses, I get the idea that many Police are worried that the hordes of people that they've upset will turn up at their local Police station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never to the dark side Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Nothing mentioned on our alledgly local radio station on tuesday morning Although Mira Patel from Hargeaves lansdown was featured on the morning show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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norwichrobin Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 When we take a coach Tommy tells us where the escort is and what time to get there, he also tells the relevent OB to expect our coach. Did bring this subject up last year. bristol city are basically on someones shi*list which has stemmed i believe from the day out at millwall. orders have come from the met and been sent around the country to deter as many of us travelling as possible . conspiracy theory i think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bully Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The FSF Posted December 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Cliff is persuing his own complaints against the police and Chelsea supporters and many from other clubs contributed towards his fine, in fact over £500 was raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Cliff is persuing his own complaints against the police and Chelsea supporters and many from other clubs contributed towards his fine, in fact over £500 was raised. Alas, on the other side of the equation, our hopelessly corrupt Police and their Toff Crown Prosecution Service lawyer puppet masters have £millions to spend on vicious and malicious court prosecutions against innocent football supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bully Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Alas, on the other side of the equation, our hopelessly corrupt Police and their Toff Crown Prosecution Service lawyer puppet masters have £millions to spend on vicious and malicious court prosecutions against innocent football supporters. ... and the not so innocent of course, but I take your point Goblin . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 ... and the not so innocent of course, but I take your point Goblin . A certain minority of our hopelessly corrupt Police are now really drawing attention to themselves with all their totally malicious and vindictive prosecutions against our fellow football supporters. The malicious and vindictive prosecution that I'll always remember was when the West Midlands Police were arresting our supporters for entering the Walsall ground after having been spotted in the Walsall FC Saddlers club having a pre-match pint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottMurray23 Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 All, I'm Amanda Jacks from the Football Supporters Federation. I'm posting as we've been doing a lot of work over the last three weeks with football supporters effected by new police powers given to them under Section 27. More here: http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/Section-27-been...-on-you.php?id= The FSF have received an email that was copied from a Bristol City forum concerning a group of people who'd hired a bus to go to your game yesterday but were turned back by police just outside of Birmingham. If anybody reading this was effected or knows the group of supporters, it is vital that they get in touch with us - it could be that our legal representatives would like to speak to you plus we can give you advice on how to making complaints about your treatment. I can be emailed at amanda.jacks@fsf.org.uk or if you'd rather speak over the phone, PM or email me and I'll let you have my number or take yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Disgraceful piece of legislation and reprehensible actions from the police. I guess we don't live in a free country any more. I would hope the people on the bus write to their MP. We now live in a Western Province of the European Union thanks to the traitors that gave away our country by signing the Lisbon Treaty a few months ago. So perhaps we need to write to Brussels as well? Who exactly controls our Police as they seem totally unaccountable to anyone as they even manage to get away with arresting MPs these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondsbury_red Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 The latest move to fight against section 27 with the FSF teaming up with liberty a civil rights group. http://www.fsf.org.uk/news/Watching-footba...not-a-crime.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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