Rob k Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Injured again, time to seriously consider weather we renew his contract when the time comes, seems to me he just cant stay fit, not saying hes doing anything wrong but hes injured all the time, no doubt this is another 6 weeks on the sideline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notsobigfatdave Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Injured again, time to seriously consider weather we renew his contract when the time comes, seems to me he just cant stay fit, not saying hes doing anything wrong but hes injured all the time, no doubt this is another 6 weeks on the sideline. Agreed...there does appear to be some underlying problem there and he has had every opportunity this season. Maybe he needs some specialist advice, there is obviously something amiss with his his training regeime He was very unlucky with his Cruciate and appears to have got over that well but it seems to be every couple of games he gets a groin or what now looks like to be a Hamstring...90% of those are caused by not warming up properly However ?? I hope he can get fit and stay fit as he is a exciting player and even at 21 still has bags of potential. If we didnt renew his contract someone could get a bargain on a free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 You've got to feel for the lad, he has bags of potential talent. When you get an injury like he did with the crutiate, you never recover 100%. Your body provides protection by overcompensating with other muscles...perhaps this is the problem. It happens so often with footballers and other sports, especially skiing. Apparantly it helps, to lose some bulk and build up the muscles around the knee. A lot of Cricketers with knee problems have done this an found it helps. I do wonder about our training and fitness though...it doesn't seem the best imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcherryberry Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Yeah i thought the same today as its so frustrating as we can see what an excellent prospect he is. The kids just turned 22 and has played less than 15 league games (I think that includes a loan spell away as well). Ribs age attitude character and ability though tells me we should stick with him for however long it takes to get these injury problems sorted. One step forward two back. The poor lad must be gutted yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcliffe 78 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 There must be a underlying problem surely, or he is one unlucky young man, its so frustrating because we can all see the quality is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 He maybe one of those players that has weaknesses physically. Look at players like Woodgate and the like...loads of talent, but the body just can't cope. Genetics eh!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economou Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 There must be a underlying problem surely, or he is one unlucky young man, its so frustrating because we can all see the quality is there. See his interview in programme v Cardiff for how his cruciate has affected him in other parts of his anatomy. He's on an injury prevention programme at the moment ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I haven't read that...so there is some truth in what i'm led to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristian444 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I heard someone saying as we were leaving that last time Ribeiro got injured was also when he got to the byline to drill a cross in. I can't remember myself, can any of you? It could be to do with twisting..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notsobigfatdave Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 You've got to feel for the lad, he has bags of potential talent. When you get an injury like he did with the crutiate, you never recover 100%. Your body provides protection by overcompensating with other muscles...perhaps this is the problem. It happens so often with footballers and other sports, especially skiing. Apparantly it helps, to lose some bulk and build up the muscles around the knee. A lot of Cricketers with knee problems have done this an found it helps. I do wonder about our training and fitness though...it doesn't seem the best imho. Yes I agree to some extent but the problem doesnt appear to be his knee, modern cruciate repair leaves the knee ligaments stronger than before...in the old days ( 70's) a cruciate was the end of the road for most players. Training and fitness does seem to be an issue at City...there appears to be several players who have injury niggles throughout the season there must be some merit in your comment. In Ribs case I dont think he has really been 100% fully fit since the start of the season when he came back from the Wales trip with a back problem.. I agree the club should stick with him for a season or two and give him the chance to get fully fit as hes not one of these Night life loving egotistical gangstas we have at the Club ( according to a previous topic) and is a genuine "clubman" in the old loyal sense . I would hate to see him end up at a rival club and come back and spank the pants off us. Perhaps some specialist help would be worth considering there are experts out there other than the club Physio, a bottle of wintergreen and a leather massage couch.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I heard someone saying as we were leaving that last time Ribeiro got injured was also when he got to the byline to drill a cross in. I can't remember myself, can any of you? It could be to do with twisting..? That's right. I think it was against Carlisle in the infamous cup game a couple of years back and I seem to remember him crumpling in a heap in an almost identical position to where he got injured today. It's really sad as I've always rated Ribs, but it just seems to be one injury after another and I'm starting to wonder if his body will end up forcing him to look for a career outside of football, which would be a tragic waste of his talent. Let's hope not though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I heard someone saying as we were leaving that last time Ribeiro got injured was also when he got to the byline to drill a cross in. I can't remember myself, can any of you? It could be to do with twisting..? V Posh, exact same part of the ground as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 See his interview in programme v Cardiff for how his cruciate has affected him in other parts of his anatomy. He's on an injury prevention programme at the moment ! Well it's not a very good one is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Yes I agree to some extent but the problem doesnt appear to be his knee, modern cruciate repair leaves the knee ligaments stronger than before...in the old days ( 70's) a cruciate was the end of the road for most players. Training and fitness does seem to be an issue at City...there appears to be several players who have injury niggles throughout the season there must be some merit in your comment. In Ribs case I dont think he has really been 100% fully fit since the start of the season when he came back from the Wales trip with a back problem.. I agree the club should stick with him for a season or two and give him the chance to get fully fit as hes not one of these Night life loving egotistical gangstas we have at the Club ( according to a previous topic) and is a genuine "clubman" in the old loyal sense . I would hate to see him end up at a rival club and come back and spank the pants off us. Perhaps some specialist help would be worth considering there are experts out there other than the club Physio, a bottle of wintergreen and a leather massage couch.. I agree about the repair leaving the ligament stronger, but it does lose it's flexibility. I've done mine and so has an ex GF of mine. Both repaired, but we both found our bodies counteract the injury, by overcompensating in other areas to protect the injured area. It often puts your natural balance out and leads to poor alignment. Which often leads to back ache and leg ache and fatigue. Having spoken on many occasions to specialists, this seems the norm. Working on flexibility and body alignment, through pilates and yoga seems to help. It's never the same once you've done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicolin Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 that is 3 times he has injured himself , in the same spot , down by the ATYEO STAND. RIBERIO STAY AWAY FROM THAT SPOT NEXT TIME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghornred Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 As a former athlete I can see who warms up correctly and who just goes through the motions and i am sorry to say that the majority of our players just go through the motions including Ribs. You would have thought that with all the money and fitness coaches someone would call in an athletics coach as you rarely see any of our athletes pulling muscles their injuries are usually caused by over training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freezer Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 What i don't get is.......You look back at the sides of the past - around say the Gerry Gow day's - a player would have lumps knocked out of them week after week but would still turn up and play 90 minutes every Saturday. Perhaps my memory is clouded but todays 'racehorse' as opposed to 'carthorse' type of players of years gone by seem a lot more prone to injury. Not sure if for all of the improved conditioing that there performances are much greater though. Bloody shame as Ribs isone hell of a player,wish him a speedy recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rednready Posted January 10, 2011 Report Share Posted January 10, 2011 You've got to feel for the lad, he has bags of potential talent. When you get an injury like he did with the crutiate, you never recover 100%. Your body provides protection by overcompensating with other muscles...perhaps this is the problem. It happens so often with footballers and other sports, especially skiing. Apparantly it helps, to lose some bulk and build up the muscles around the knee. A lot of Cricketers with knee problems have done this an found it helps. I do wonder about our training and fitness though...it doesn't seem the best imho. Happy New year Spudski, Thought I would comment on this as our fitness and recovery rate seems to be in decline. We have : Dr Ian Latham Ist team physio, Nick Dawes Fitness and Conditioning, Glen Schmidt. Sports scientist ? At the start of the season we had one, looked like a shorter version of Damien Stewart, did he leave with Coppell ? The last referance on the club site was August 15th 2010. These lettered gentlemen may need to overhaul their joint plans for the squad, did I say joint ??? My own physio, ex rugby physio, says too many younger players take steroids or body building enhancements and spend too much time in the gym building muscle. They lose suppleness and the muscle seperates from the bone too easily. His treatment rooms are usually full of young rugby and football players with the same problem. There's a lot to be said for old fashioned training, newer is not always better. Ribiero must be walking a tightrope as a sick note, I had hoped he would turn out to be our new attacking midfielder and leave Skuse at right back. Ribs stay out of the gym and go back to old fashioned leg work on the paddock........the fresh air will do you good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishops Finger Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 As I heard one commentator say on saturday, the kid is made of glass. If he can put his body back together no doubt he will be a top player, here's hoping he can... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 As a former athlete I can see who warms up correctly and who just goes through the motions and i am sorry to say that the majority of our players just go through the motions including Ribs. You would have thought that with all the money and fitness coaches someone would call in an athletics coach as you rarely see any of our athletes pulling muscles their injuries are usually caused by over training. As a athletes coach in Southampton i can back up what foghorned has said. I watch the warm ups with great interest and can see the thinking behind some of it. But i am not convinced they should be doing some of the things so near kick off. Time would be better spent doing dynamic stretching for longer and doing them correctly. In ahletics the ones who always seem to get injured, are the ones who have not done the correct conditioning when young. So they have a weakness in that part of the body. As with all sports people get injured no matter what. But if they have a repeated weakness in a certain area. It has to be a great worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsKev Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I have seen a number of clubs using Spinning bikes on the touchline to keep subs "warmed up" I'm no expert but could this work in keeping muscles warm and reduce muscle pulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notsobigfatdave Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 I have seen a number of clubs using Spinning bikes on the touchline to keep subs "warmed up" I'm no expert but could this work in keeping muscles warm and reduce muscle pulls. Thats a very good and valid point.... they are used by most Premier League rugby clubs to keep the bench warmed up where changeovers regularly occur. The physical stresses on the body in a top flight rugby match must be tremendous in comparison to your average pro-footballer. Imagine running into 18 stone of solid muscle..! I didnt notice if Ribs had ample opportunity to warm up thoroughly before he was pitched into it on Saturday...did anybody ? Anyone have any news on the severity of his injury or how long he might be sidelined.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 'Anyone have any news on the severity of his injury or how long he might be sidelined? Having a scan today now that the swelling has subsided enough to carry one out. By the way he went down and couldn't put weight on it I reckon he could be out for weeks and weeks. Grade 3 pull probably. More hamstring pull prevention info here http://www.runnersweb.com/running/deb_january2000.html if your're interested. Anyone else think that right back is not his best position? He looks defensively frail to me and might be better up the pitch. Attacking midfielder maybe? Definately got the pace and quick feet to do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Happy New year Spudski, Thought I would comment on this as our fitness and recovery rate seems to be in decline. We have : Dr Ian Latham Ist team physio, Nick Dawes Fitness and Conditioning, Glen Schmidt. Sports scientist ? At the start of the season we had one, looked like a shorter version of Damien Stewart, did he leave with Coppell ? The last referance on the club site was August 15th 2010. These lettered gentlemen may need to overhaul their joint plans for the squad, did I say joint ??? My own physio, ex rugby physio, says too many younger players take steroids or body building enhancements and spend too much time in the gym building muscle. They lose suppleness and the muscle seperates from the bone too easily. His treatment rooms are usually full of young rugby and football players with the same problem. There's a lot to be said for old fashioned training, newer is not always better. Ribiero must be walking a tightrope as a sick note, I had hoped he would turn out to be our new attacking midfielder and leave Skuse at right back. Ribs stay out of the gym and go back to old fashioned leg work on the paddock........the fresh air will do you good. Happy New Year Sir... I totally agree with the comments made from some of our learned forum members. Too much time spent in the Gym me thinks. Ribs always looks a bit 'thick set' to me. If he can keep the bulk down, i think it will help his knees. I know they've worked on a lot of Bowlers in cricket on this, as the bulk increases pressure on the knee joint. I've also seen the warm up/down cycles being used at Rugby and football. I can see it good for warming down, but tbh, cycling is one of the worst sports for shortening the hamstring. You've only got to cycle a long distance, then get off, to see how it effects your walking. A series of stretching and running to get the heart rate up would be far more effective imho. When you consider how much money is involved in football, you would think they would prioritise the warming up before a game. When i go to watch Manure...Mats come out and players get into crazy stretching positions with physios applying pressure in all the right places. Loosening the hip and pelvic area seems to be a perogative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notsobigfatdave Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 'Anyone have any news on the severity of his injury or how long he might be sidelined? Having a scan today now that the swelling has subsided enough to carry one out. By the way he went down and couldn't put weight on it I reckon he could be out for weeks and weeks. Grade 3 pull probably. More hamstring pull prevention info here http://www.runnerswe...anuary2000.html if your're interested. Anyone else think that right back is not his best position? He looks defensively frail to me and might be better up the pitch. Attacking midfielder maybe? Definately got the pace and quick feet to do the job. I may be wrong but I seem to recall he joined the club as a youngster as a right winger and played in local youth football in this position also. ( wait to be corrected) The juries out for me in terms of his best position...Ive seen him perform excellently at fullback for club and homeland, against very tricky wingers.... and poorly against very average players in equal measures.....he has also played very well at Centreback for Wales at U21 & U19 level. Theres no doubt that the attacking part of his game is his strongpoint. I think if he can get properly fit, and dont just mean being able to run for 90 minutes, but work with a specalist therapist, he can still make a Championship career at fullback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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