Alex_BCFC Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Funny isn't it...A Leeds fan sits and celebrates his team winning in the 'wrong' part of the ground, and gets his head smacked in, because some think it's ok to do that, because 'he shouldn't have been in there', and because, 'that's the way it is at football'. Yet, in the Directors box, Leeds Directors, wifes, employees stand and clap their teams achievements and not a murmer of discontent from the City around them. What's the difference? We are all human beings, regardless of where you sit. The people who think it's right to kick another persons head in, are not Football Fans, they are just mindless thick morons, who deserve to be treated like animals...after all, they behave with a 'pack' mentality. The Leeds fan who fell down the steps, could easily have died if he had hit his head. What would these 'so called fans' think then? It was pure luck that he didn't. These 'Supporters' would not only have killed someone, but the trouble the Club would get in would be immense. So these actions are 'Supporting' the Club? People need to stop and think about their actions. To say, 'that's just how it is at football' and 'it's been like that for years'...makes it right? We need to move on. The Guys who rained punches on one lad, however stupid he was, are utter cowards. Mostly pie eating fatties, who would shit themselves if they were in a real fight one on one, or at frontline Afghanistan. I hope the Club use CCTY footage and ban anyone involved for life. The World doesn't need 'em. Knuckle draggers the lot of 'em. Very well put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkhamred Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 With you 100% Pete. I watched from the Atyeo in dismay as so-called City fans pushed this guy down the steep Dolman steps and came from all sides to throw punches at him ... continuing to do so even when he was held by the stewards and clearly about to be ejected. What sort of human being pushes another down a steep stone staircase, where one missed step could have caused him to fall and crack his head open or punches someone simply for coming from another town ... even when he is restrained and unable to defend himself? Whatever the rights and wrongs of him being in the Dolman, however loudly he celebrated the goal, anyone involved in this thuggery should be totally ashamed of themselves ... and anyone glorifying it likewise. I don't want thugs like that at my side while I'm watching my football team. I also hope that City make good use of the CCTV footage and that everyone who can clearly be shown to have thrown a punch at this guy is identified and banned from Ashton Gate for life. Totally agree with this. But also those "supporters" who stood up in the Atyeo, and elsewhere in the ground, to watch the goings on were more interested in what was happening in the stands than the fact that "their" team were actually attacking the goal at the time and they were blocking the view of others who had come to watch the match and would have been gutted to miss seeing the goal if we had managed to score in these moments. Watch the match - do not encourage the thugs. Let's hope as Blagon says the CCTV is being put to good use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 anyone see the guy celebrated behind the goal on the FLS? Yes, it looked like 2 of them. One of them was wearing a red City shirt! Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Its really sad to read some of the posts on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnozRobin Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Spudski you are absolutely spot on. I hope they ban every moron who threw a punch for life. They are a bunch of Neanderthals with no consideration for others, including all the women and children watching. It's the 21st century FFS. EDIT: for the morons reading, Neanderthals = cave-men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Why do people believe violence is acceptable?? The bloke cheered, as was going to be kicked out. Why did people need to punch him etc? He was only supporting his team, like you were. It doesnt happen in Rugby, why should it happen in football? oh no, you compared rugby to football. you'll get some gimp on here in a min saying how rugby is awful and you can't compare the two sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 it was a number of your contributions to this and other threads that I had in mind. ...allusions to "supporters groups" from across Europe who seem to turn up in your contributions whenever we meet a team with a reputation for violence...delighting in the injuries suffered by supporters of opposing teams...all that stuff... Not interested in a discussion with you about it. I'm very glad I don't know who you are. Sorry to disagree with you and make a valid point. I am not interested in what you think of me, I merely entered into a discussion and added a different angle to your argument, if you can't discuss things properly, put me on your ignore list or consider not logging on to a public forum where people have different opinions and are allowed to thankfully air them. As for being glad you don't know me, the feeling is mutual chap/miss, you have no idea who I am, however in your books I am guilty by association of something because of what or who I know, interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 oh no, you compared rugby to football. you'll get some gimp on here in a min saying how rugby is awful and you can't compare the two sports. Let me be that gimp. I've followed Bristol Rugby over the years and some of the brawling on the pitch has been far far worse than anything I've ever witnessed at Ashton Gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 What bothers me about the whole sorry affair is that we have probably lost a few fans of the future due to this. I have actively encouraged my partner and her son to come to AG in recent years and we now have a family season ticket. Going back 4/5 years ago I would have probably cheered as the idiot was punched down the Dolman, but do we really want women and kids witnessing this? One woman who was sat with 2 kids in the Dolman left straight after this incident, probably never to be seen again. My partner commented that she did not feel safe today even though we are in the Atyeo. We really dont need this shit! 100% agree with this. I understand he should not have been in there, I understand people are frustrated, but for this level of violence in front of kids and parents is shocking. You can call me a softie, but I want to take my wife and kids to the game in the future, but if they see something like this once - thats it. No place for it, especially as there are people employed by BCFC to deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Let me be that gimp. I've followed Bristol Rugby over the years and some of the brawling on the pitch has been far far worse than anything I've ever witnessed at Ashton Gate. oh no, not you RG. i've been a fan of your posts since I joined up on this forum. brawling on the pitch is different from brawling in the stands. After the game, players on the pitch shakes hands, clap each other off and shares a drink after. That dont happen in the stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Let me be that gimp. I've followed Bristol Rugby over the years and some of the brawling on the pitch has been far far worse than anything I've ever witnessed at Ashton Gate. Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs16bcfc Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 If it would have been Cole Skuse in their you would have hit him yourselft. If you had the bottle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Idiot. Explain yourself if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Explain yourself if you can. YOU cannot compare brawling on the pitch and brawling in the stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Funny isn't it...A Leeds fan sits and celebrates his team winning in the 'wrong' part of the ground, and gets his head smacked in, because some think it's ok to do that, because 'he shouldn't have been in there', and because, 'that's the way it is at football'. Yet, in the Directors box, Leeds Directors, wifes, employees stand and clap their teams achievements and not a murmer of discontent from the City around them. What's the difference? We are all human beings, regardless of where you sit. The people who think it's right to kick another persons head in, are not Football Fans, they are just mindless thick morons, who deserve to be treated like animals...after all, they behave with a 'pack' mentality. The Leeds fan who fell down the steps, could easily have died if he had hit his head. What would these 'so called fans' think then? It was pure luck that he didn't. These 'Supporters' would not only have killed someone, but the trouble the Club would get in would be immense. So these actions are 'Supporting' the Club? People need to stop and think about their actions. To say, 'that's just how it is at football' and 'it's been like that for years'...makes it right? We need to move on. The Guys who rained punches on one lad, however stupid he was, are utter cowards. Mostly pie eating fatties, who would shit themselves if they were in a real fight one on one, or at frontline Afghanistan. I hope the Club use CCTY footage and ban anyone involved for life. The World doesn't need 'em. Knuckle draggers the lot of 'em. I spoke to a steward at half time, who told me that they had "an agreement", Leeds fans were allowed in as long as they hid any colours and didn't celebrate, if they did then that was there own fault, I was also told it was the stewards job to escort fans to exits and the police would deal with them outside, maybe I am looking too deeply here but I doubt there will be much in the way of criminal proceedings. As a whole I think the Police would be fairly happy with their work for the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windmillhillred Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 He may have thrown a punch, but not until he'd been dragged out of his seat. The whole thing was pathetic from start to finish where a significant minority of wasters battered someone who couldnt have offended himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfox Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I understand people are frustrated, but for this level of violence in front of kids and parents is shocking. You can call me a softie, but I want to take my wife and kids to the game in the future, but if they see something like this once - thats it. No place for it, especially as there are people employed by BCFC to deal with it. Thanks for saying that. I was sitting very close to the Dolman incident with my 12 year old son, in his 4th season as a season ticket holder, and we saw all that was going on. He was clearly badly affected by the incident and for the first time ever (including when we were 6-0 down against Cardiff) he asked to leave early, which we did. I now have the job of persuading him to go again and then renew his season card. If he doesn't want to, I won't renew either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 shouldnt have let them out so easily!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 YOU cannot compare brawling on the pitch and brawling in the stands. Why not? A punch is a punch whether it be from an 18+ stone rugby forward or from rival football supporters in the stands. The fact remains that the Leeds supporters should have kept their mouths shut in our stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmissionImpossible Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Why not? A punch is a punch whether it be from an 18+ stone rugby forward or from rival football supporters in the stands. The fact remains that the Leeds supporters should have kept their mouths shut in our stands. Their are a million storys going around about these Leeds fans celebrating, not celebrating. Violence in the stands is sometimes fuelled by alcohol, not the case on the pitch and usualy people just looking for an excuse to get their kick from some violence. On the pitch its usally over an incident in the game, which the players are directly involved in and has affected them in some way. The brawls on a pitch would never get out of hand and involve someone tumbling down concrete stairs with the possibility of dying. and to quote Gambit 'brawling on the pitch is different from brawling in the stands. After the game, players on the pitch shakes hands, clap each other off and shares a drink after. That dont happen in the stands.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 I spoke to a steward at half time, who told me that they had "an agreement", Leeds fans were allowed in as long as they hid any colours and didn't celebrate, if they did then that was there own fault, I was also told it was the stewards job to escort fans to exits and the police would deal with them outside, maybe I am looking too deeply here but I doubt there will be much in the way of criminal proceedings. As a whole I think the Police would be fairly happy with their work for the day. Lets look at it from a different angle. The Law of the land... If that Leeds fan in question had been assaulted in the street by a gang of people, the Police would have been all over it, using any CCTV available and prosecuting. The law of the land, still applies inside a football ground, in fact more so, because the Club are at liberty to give a certain amount of safety. That fan had every legal right to sit where he was, and to cheer if he wanted too. We are not talking about 'unwritten laws' abided by most sensible fans. But the law of the land. Legally the club or 'fans' who attacked him, don't have a leg to stand on. Most fans don't start these proceedings, because they just accept it. But they have every right to do so. If it was me, i'd nail everyone of them. He in his own right, could go to a solicitor and the Police and start criminal proceedings against the club and those fans who attacked him. Demanding CCTV footage be used, to find the guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Why not? A punch is a punch whether it be from an 18+ stone rugby forward or from rival football supporters in the stands. The fact remains that the Leeds supporters should have kept their mouths shut in our stands. Not in Cardiff it's not, last week after the rugby there was a mass brawl which involved at least 12, the OB seperates the 2 groups and sent them in opposite directions, one lad landed a punch on another whilst a copper pulled him away, NO ARRESTS! As much as I don't like Cardiff, if this was a Saturday whilst Cardiff were playing at home and these lads weren't rugger boys, just "enjoying some high jinx and over exuberance" there would have been 12 arrests, criminal proceedings and a big story in the local rag. Football gets a bad rap, a punch is a punch!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 weather its right or not is a sepertae issue, you know you cant go into another teams home end and celebrate, thats the way its always been, you especially cant do it at AG, millwall,leeds etc and If you do go into these clubs home ends you would know the risk you were taking before hand unless your completley thick. There was a 10 page thread on here warning against it for god sake. tough sh*t i say, brought it on themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Lets look at it from a different angle. The Law of the land... If that Leeds fan in question had been assaulted in the street by a gang of people, the Police would have been all over it, using any CCTV available and prosecuting. The law of the land, still applies inside a football ground, in fact more so, because the Club are at liberty to give a certain amount of safety. That fan had every legal right to sit where he was, and to cheer if he wanted too. We are not talking about 'unwritten laws' abided by most sensible fans. But the law of the land. Legally the club or 'fans' who attacked him, don't have a leg to stand on. Most fans don't start these proceedings, because they just accept it. But they have every right to do so. If it was me, i'd nail everyone of them. He in his own right, could go to a solicitor and the Police and start criminal proceedings against the club and those fans who attacked him. Demanding CCTV footage be used, to find the guilty. Where in the realms of legality does knowingly buying a ticket in the wrong section lie? Especially when you use abusive, gestures/language/action? I'd say there is a case of liability against the club should they knowingly sell or admit/issue entry to a said individual or group, there's also the legal angle of inciting violence/riot against the Leeds fan/s as he entered an area exclusively for home support and threw tge first punch (alledgedly). Personally I think it's all been masively blown out of proportion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Robin Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Very simple away fans to do not wear shirts, and cheer the team when they score in home ends,you need to keep your head down and respect where you are.Crazy if you do.The lads in the Dolman gave no respect to where they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnozRobin Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 What a bunch of tossers u r on here 4 slaging people off 4 hitting a tosser who shouldnt of been in ARE part of the ground. Imbecile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Not in Cardiff it's not, last week after the rugby there was a mass brawl which involved at least 12, the OB seperates the 2 groups and sent them in opposite directions, one lad landed a punch on another whilst a copper pulled him away, NO ARRESTS! As much as I don't like Cardiff, if this was a Saturday whilst Cardiff were playing at home and these lads weren't rugger boys, just "enjoying some high jinx and over exuberance" there would have been 12 arrests, criminal proceedings and a big story in the local rag. Football gets a bad rap, a punch is a punch!!!!! Exactly, I watch rugby and football and there's a bye and hush up given by the authorities to trouble at rugby games but any trouble at football will be plastered all over the news and prosecutions almost always follow. The difference is in the fact that Rugby is watched by many professional people that have the power and influence while football is - generally - not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 It does make me laugh, the bleeding hearts who cry "bullies". Would these Leeds ***** have done the same at Millwall or Baadiff? No. They thought they would take the pi55 all day long in amongst grannies and 10 year olds, if that isn't bullying, what is? On the subject ( and speaking from experience) you tend to come off better if you are getting battered by a hundred odd than say, three or four! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Where in the realms of legality does knowingly buying a ticket in the wrong section lie? Especially when you use abusive, gestures/language/action? I'd say there is a case of liability against the club should they knowingly sell or admit/issue entry to a said individual or group, there's also the legal angle of inciting violence/riot against the Leeds fan/s as he entered an area exclusively for home support and threw tge first punch (alledgedly). Personally I think it's all been masively blown out of proportion. I can see both sides of the arguement...but i'm pointing out the fact from the laws of the land. Buying a season ticket or membership for BCFC, the club nowhere specifies that you have to be a 'Bristol City fan or supporter'. Anyone can buy one. Anyone legally has every right to sit where they want too, as long as they have abided by the Clubs ticket specifications. Anyone can cheer for whoever they like, as long as they don't incite violence, use profanity or any race or religious issues. Whether, it's an inteligent thing to do, is neither here nor there. But legally, the club or attacking supporters don't have a leg to stand on, if the said fan abided by all of the above points, and wished to sue the club or fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwhat Posted February 13, 2011 Report Share Posted February 13, 2011 Anyone can cheer for whoever they like, as long as they don't incite violence, use profanity or any race or religious issues. I think you could say he incited violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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