CityGill Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Hi all, this is the first post I've made from my phone so hope it comes out ok. I was just thinking that if Bobby Reid is highly thought of by the club, and they think he has the ability to play at this level or higher, but it turns out he does not have the physical attributes, could the club consider doing something like Barcelona did with Messi in regards to growth hormones. I'm not suggesting it should be an immediate course of action, and I'm no doctor, but its obviously been done before to great effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Hi all, this is the first post I've made from my phone so hope it comes out ok. I was just thinking that if Bobby Reid is highly thought of by the club, and they think he has the ability to play at this level or higher, but it turns out he does not have the physical attributes, could the club consider doing something like Barcelona did with Messi in regards to growth hormones. I'm not suggesting it should be an immediate course of action, and I'm no doctor, but its obviously been done before to great effect. They stated the Hormones in his early teens, Bit late for Bobby now. He's still naturally growing, and for a player like him size isn't everything. You don't need to be 6 foot to be a top class player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Don't know his age, length etc. but a lot can be done with nurture drinks on the weight side. In the end a good footballer is a good footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITYRED Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 From what i've hheard he's Wilshire-esque. I think it he could becom an important player over the next few years.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Many thought Tom Ritchie was too slender, yet he made the grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunners2006 Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Height and size mean nothing, Messi, Xavi, Ineiesta, Scholes, Wilshire, Nasri, Arshavin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticks Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Height and size mean nothing, Messi, Xavi, Ineiesta, Scholes, Wilshire, Nasri, Arshavin Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZedRed Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Many thought Tom Ritchie was too slender, yet he made the grade. Anyone remember his stand off with Mickey Droy? One of my favourite Ashton Gate memories!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Height and size mean nothing, Messi, Xavi, Ineiesta, Scholes, Wilshire, Nasri, Arshavin Exactly. Course, with prevailing attitudes in English football say a decade or 2 ago, some do question whether I dunno Xavi, Iniesta, Messi would have made it due to their size and physique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZedRed Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Exactly. Course, with prevailing attitudes in English football say a decade or 2 ago, some do question whether I dunno Xavi, Iniesta, Messi would have made it due to their size and physique. Gerry Gow? not exactly blessed with altitude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Gerry Gow? not exactly blessed with altitude! True he was an excellent player, it is a theory though. Anyway there is another one that says we probably don't prioritise technique enough as a nation but that's probably for another thread! There's so much that could be said on either side about technical standards in English football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZedRed Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 True he was an excellent player, it is a theory though. Anyway there is another one that says we probably don't prioritise technique enough as a nation but that's probably for another thread! There's so much that could be said on either side about technical standards in English football. Unfortunately technicality in this country won't improve until we learn from Spanish/Italian/Brazilian coaches...whilst we still employ and use as role models people like Pulis, Allardyce and Mark Hughes then as a footballing nation employing 'our own' we will never progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 Unfortunately technicality in this country won't improve until we learn from Spanish/Italian/Brazilian coaches...whilst we still employ and use as role models people like Pulis, Allardyce and Mark Hughes then as a footballing nation employing 'our own' we will never progress. True. In fairness to Hughes I think Fulham play decent enough football but yeah overall with regards overall technical nature of the game I find it a bit lacking. Sure the top sides do have some very gifted individuals and clever coaches but generally I agree. In defence of Pulis, Allardyce and others of a similar nature though perhaps their budget means that if they try significantly more expansive football then relegation may beckon. Goes down to grassroots IMO in which case as well as those you list, Dutch, Portugese, Argentine, French (bit of lean patch lately but still good last couple of decades) and possibly even German (they were quite good in WC) models could be worth looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZedRed Posted May 14, 2011 Report Share Posted May 14, 2011 True. In fairness to Hughes I think Fulham play decent enough football but yeah overall with regards overall technical nature of the game I find it a bit lacking. Sure the top sides do have some very gifted individuals and clever coaches but generally I agree. In defence of Pulis, Allardyce and others of a similar nature though perhaps their budget means that if they try significantly more expansive football then relegation may beckon. Goes down to grassroots IMO in which case as well as those you list, Dutch, Portugese, Argentine, French (bit of lean patch lately but still good last couple of decades) and possibly even German (they were quite good in WC) models could be worth looking at. and yet 'our own' coaches still have to take European coaching badges? Why is it we still refer to english ways as soon as jobs become available and everything that is 'learnt' is cast aside! I am fearful for kids like Bobby Reid who impressed me immensely with his desire to look for the ball and attempt to do something with it....is this going to be drilled out of him in the obsession in this country to play a pre designed role? I miss the days when individuality was at the forefront of our great game something europeans learned from us and kept yet we no longer see as a viable option...give me Tony Currie, Stan Bowles, Frank Worthington and to a lesser extent Gazza any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Exactly. Course, with prevailing attitudes in English football say a decade or 2 ago, some do question whether I dunno Xavi, Iniesta, Messi would have made it due to their size and physique. I read an interview with Trevor Brooking a while back where he said that young players were being systematically rejected if they were not 6 foot and strong and athletic. Hard to see English attitudes changing. We fans don't always help; we so often demand a big man up front and are not renowned for our patience if our teams concentrate on keeping possession. "Get rid of it" is not a cry you would hear in Spain I suspect but I still hear it regularly here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 and yet 'our own' coaches still have to take European coaching badges? Why is it we still refer to english ways as soon as jobs become available and everything that is 'learnt' is cast aside! I am fearful for kids like Bobby Reid who impressed me immensely with his desire to look for the ball and attempt to do something with it....is this going to be drilled out of him in the obsession in this country to play a pre designed role? I miss the days when individuality was at the forefront of our great game something europeans learned from us and kept yet we no longer see as a viable option...give me Tony Currie, Stan Bowles, Frank Worthington and to a lesser extent Gazza any day Trust me, the FA's Coaching system is back there with the Dinosaur's. Many talented young footballers go by the wayside in this Country, because they aren't 'Natural Athletes'. Our game needs to change, but it won't, because the British set up is seen as the most exciting and most profitable League in the World. Some of the Foreign coaches over here are trying to develop a 'Continental' system at some Clubs, but they use mainly Foreign players. You'd pay good money to go and watch the players you've named. Sadly they are a distant memory. Matt le tissier and Glen Hoddle were probably the last of that ilk of British player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NATCHER Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 Barcelona did with Messi in regards to growth hormones. Did this 'Frankinstien' like medical treatment actually work though? I mean he's hardly banging his head as he walks through doorways now is he, left to mature without these hormones, whose to say he wouldn't be the same height he is now, maybe taller? His height, or lack of it, gives Messi great balance and poise when in possession. I find the whole thing rather freaky and unesscessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 After tests as a child he was predicted to grow to 4 foot 7 inches. It had nothing to do with football. He was diagnosed with a growth deficiency, and his parents couldn't afford the medical fees each Month. Newells Old Boys wouldn't pay the Monthly fees, but Barcelona offered to pay for them if he signed for them. He grew apparantly 17 cm in just over a year, after starting to take the injections. Lots of people with growth deficiency's outside of football have these hormone injections. I do agree, that his low centre of gravity helps in his fast dribbling skills, very much like Maradonna. Pity Tommy Doc couldn't run... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 He hs done very well to make it this far with city to be honest. We are notorious for telling players they are to short or to small... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 With regards to coaching I pretty sure the figures for European standard coaches in the UK is about 3-5,000 while Spain has 34,000, France 25,000 etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 After tests as a child he was predicted to grow to 4 foot 7 inches. It had nothing to do with football. He was diagnosed with a growth deficiency, and his parents couldn't afford the medical fees each Month. Newells Old Boys wouldn't pay the Monthly fees, but Barcelona offered to pay for them if he signed for them. He grew apparantly 17 cm in just over a year, after starting to take the injections. Lots of people with growth deficiency's outside of football have these hormone injections. I do agree, that his low centre of gravity helps in his fast dribbling skills, very much like Maradonna. Pity Tommy Doc couldn't run... I would love to see a player that short. He could run through defender's legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 I would love to see a player that short. He could run through defender's legs. We had one... Alec Eisentrager... He was my Dads favourite player as a kid. I got Alec to sign the 'Bristol City Greats' book for him in 2005 at the players reunion. He's treasured it ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 I would love to see a player that short. He could run through defender's legs. 4 foot 7!? How long do you think people's legs are!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 a lot can be done with nurture drinks on the weight side. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted May 15, 2011 Report Share Posted May 15, 2011 4 foot 7!? How long do you think people's legs are!? Bet he could get through Maerhoffers legs. :tounge: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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