spudski Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Fans in this country may walk away but I fear they will always keep their subscription. I agree, which is unfortunate. Personally, i feel there is too much football shown on television. I can't remember the last time i actually sat through a whole 90 mins without flicking over. It's becoming mind numbingly boring, through too much exposure. I also feel this has had a negative effect on going to watch live games as people are expecting so much more. Imho, people would be far better off spending their subscription money in a pub showing live football. That way, they would keep the pub industry going, and be able to socialise instead of sat at home on their own watching. This is what is happening in Italy. Fans are meeting up in pubs and watching the game with mates instead of going to the live games or paying for home subscriptions. It's become too expensive for so many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverface Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Clubs like City and others throughout the league are riddled with so called "super/loyal fans" who haven't missed a game for x amount of years (I know City have them because they've been nominated for supporter of year at the end of season award ceremony). Anyhow, it's fans like these who continually follow the club anywhere in the Country, regardless of how much it costs to watch a game because they want to keep their "attendance" figures going. Long term, this can only be a bad thing for other fans as those who try to stay away to make a point aren't really having the desired impact they're hoping to portray. If fans are going to have a mass uprising, then EVERYBODY needs to not attend games and EVERYBODY needs to cancel their Sky subscription so that the powers that be will finally take notice. Unfortunately though, the supposed "supporters of the year" are effectively unpinning all that is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Clubs like City and others throughout the league are riddled with so called "super/loyal fans" who haven't missed a game for x amount of years (I know City have them because they've been nominated for supporter of year at the end of season award ceremony). Anyhow, it's fans like these who continually follow the club anywhere in the Country, regardless of how much it costs to watch a game because they want to keep their "attendance" figures going. Long term, this can only be a bad thing for other fans as those who try to stay away to make a point aren't really having the desired impact they're hoping to portray. If fans are going to have a mass uprising, then EVERYBODY needs to not attend games and EVERYBODY needs to cancel their Sky subscription so that the powers that be will finally take notice. Unfortunately though, the supposed "supporters of the year" are effectively unpinning all that is wrong. This thread is a joke , right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 This thread is a joke , right? I read his thread as saying "some fans will always pay, whatever the price". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 I read his thread as saying "some fans will always pay, whatever the price". I suggest you read it again then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Clubs like City and others throughout the league are riddled with so called "super/loyal fans" who haven't missed a game for x amount of years (I know City have them because they've been nominated for supporter of year at the end of season award ceremony). Anyhow, it's fans like these who continually follow the club anywhere in the Country, regardless of how much it costs to watch a game because they want to keep their "attendance" figures going. Long term, this can only be a bad thing for other fans as those who try to stay away to make a point aren't really having the desired impact they're hoping to portray. If fans are going to have a mass uprising, then EVERYBODY needs to not attend games and EVERYBODY needs to cancel their Sky subscription so that the powers that be will finally take notice. Unfortunately though, the supposed "supporters of the year" are effectively unpinning all that is wrong. Can't agree with this sorry, "Super Loyal" fans will stop going if they can't afford to go like the resst of us I'm lucky as I have a good job and plenty of disposable income but I don't go to many away games as I think the cost outweighs the entertainment, I have a sky sub I have sky sports but I don't watch much football on their to be honest I might have it on for background noise but I mainly have SS for golf and cricket, Thats why this QPR ticket hike is awful but then again they have those 2 knuckle heads from F1 in charge, If I was a QPR fan I'd end up going to one of the smaller london clubs instead like Barnet or Brentford or even Orient in protest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Can't agree with this sorry, "Super Loyal" fans will stop going if they can't afford to go like the resst of us I'm lucky as I have a good job and plenty of disposable income but I don't go to many away games as I think the cost outweighs the entertainment, I have a sky sub I have sky sports but I don't watch much football on their to be honest I might have it on for background noise but I mainly have SS for golf and cricket, Thats why this QPR ticket hike is awful but then again they have those 2 knuckle heads from F1 in charge, If I was a QPR fan I'd end up going to one of the smaller london clubs instead like Barnet or Brentford or even Orient in protest In a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverface Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Man utd must have loads of loyal fans who follow them wherever, but do you think the cost of the Champions League football is going to deter them? I bet it won't and it lets the organisers see it as proof that fans will continue to pay that sort of money. I wouldn't be happy to pay £120 to watch my team in the Champions League final, but there are fans who will, and it's those fans that cause this type of increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 This thread is a joke , right? No.....its obvious ...............stay away - dont go to games and you will be doing the other fans a favour..... Except of course when the club goes out of business because they have no money coming in.......mmmmmm.....toughy I know ......lets get relegated back to div 2 and we can all watch games for next to nowt.....even though its not of course so lets go Non league! sod the standard of football you watch ...........After all ...its the getting drunk & threatning behaviour to opposite supporters thats imporant.......isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Man utd must have loads of loyal fans who follow them wherever, but do you think the cost of the Champions League football is going to deter them? I bet it won't and it lets the organisers see it as proof that fans will continue to pay that sort of money. I wouldn't be happy to pay £120 to watch my team in the Champions League final, but there are fans who will, and it's those fans that cause this type of increase. they are one of the biggest clubs on the planet and if the loyal fans don't go fans in another country wilhow the hell can you use the final as an example as the prices are set by UFEA and not by Man Utd, Man U season ticket includes all cup and champions league matchs and its still value for money when your compare it to Arsenal and QPR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 I suggest you read it again then. Oh you do, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Oh you do, do you? Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Poor QPR. They obviously need the money. After all, they've only got three billionaires on their board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Given clubs/owners/fans will always chase success, prices will almost always increase to the point that the 'market' can take. Extra revenue is the quickest way to make an attempt at improving the club. As it stands enough people can afford the prices being charged by Sky and at the turnstile. They choose to spend their hard earned on it. Personally I don't want a Sky subscription as I don't want to watch all that fannying about and rolling around. Don't care for it at all. Others lap it up so its not disapopearing any time soon. I do pick and choose my away days based on cost. Occasionally this decision is driven by the gate price, not just travel cost. Some clubs are a genuine ripoff. Its unlikely that a mass 'stay-away' will result at any club. In most cases it might cause more harm than good. In the case of QPR their owners could easily pick up any shortfall in lost gate receipts. Would love to see it but it will just generate even more contempt for the fans from the likes of Bernie Ecclestone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Poor QPR. They obviously need the money. After all, they've only got three billionaires on their board. Those billionaires own the club they don't owe the supporters anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 I agree, which is unfortunate. Personally, i feel there is too much football shown on television. I can't remember the last time i actually sat through a whole 90 mins without flicking over. It's becoming mind numbingly boring, through too much exposure. I also feel this has had a negative effect on going to watch live games as people are expecting so much more. Imho, people would be far better off spending their subscription money in a pub showing live football. That way, they would keep the pub industry going, and be able to socialise instead of sat at home on their own watching. This is what is happening in Italy. Fans are meeting up in pubs and watching the game with mates instead of going to the live games or paying for home subscriptions. It's become too expensive for so many. I completely agree with all your points but to add one further point lets not forget if you pay a sky subscription then your money ends up in the pockets of Sky workers (mostly working in America with a lot also working in London) if you spend your money in the pub then this money goes to local people to spend in the local area so benefits go to the local economy rather than being centralized in London or another country - SKY is wealth stripping from local communities and so are many large company's that have grown massively in the last 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Ridiculous, European fans would organise boycotts I'm sure- this season I remember Dortmund fans doing so over matchday prices for away fans at Schalke going up to €22 At the risk of massively generalising here, goes to highlight a difference in mindset IMO! http://news.bbc.co.u...rem/8986321.stm I know if City put prices up to a level I considered unreasonable, I would stop going- apart fromto the odd game. Point of principle.It's already getting there at most levels in this country I think, certainly when compared to top Leagues in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Those billionaires own the club they don't owe the supporters anything. Strictly speaking they don't. I do think they should respect the history of the club. The fans are part of that history and deserve a degree of respect and consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiceRed Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Some club owners, when the team is doing well - e.g.QPR - think standard business practices apply to football, and that they can hike up prices as much as they like, because the demand is there. When things inevitably go wrong on the pitch, they'll be very thankful that most football supporters do NOT treat their team like any normal business and withdraw their custom when the "product" becomes a lot worse. The market will inevitably cause prices to reduce at football in the future, I'm sure. This is already happening at some clubs, like Blackburn and Wigan, as mentioned above. I think others like Bradford and Huddersfield have been offering very cheap deals for a few years too. I think we're a couple of years off a proper tipping point where a large number of clubs will start to reduce prices, but once a lot do start to reduce them, it will create momentum. This will probably come at the same time and be linked with a number of club bankruptcies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 Those billionaires own the club they don't owe the supporters anything. I guess no-one gets to be a billionaire by being generous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunners2006 Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 For those prices I wouldn't even bother going out of principle even if I could afford it, that's a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverface Posted May 26, 2011 Report Share Posted May 26, 2011 they are one of the biggest clubs on the planet and if the loyal fans don't go fans in another country wilhow the hell can you use the final as an example as the prices are set by UFEA and not by Man Utd, Man U season ticket includes all cup and champions league matchs and its still value for money when your compare it to Arsenal and QPR That's exactly the point I'm trying to make! Fans boycott a game to make a point/stand = somebody else steps in and pays the crazy prices. Football fans cannot make a stand against the greediness because the fans don't all stand together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 That's exactly the point I'm trying to make! Fans boycott a game to make a point/stand = somebody else steps in and pays the crazy prices. Football fans cannot make a stand against the greediness because the fans don't all stand together! Boyvotts and other direct action caused by excessive prices seem more effective in Europe. Maybe it's a cultural difference thing, see Dortmund-Schalke away fans boycott last September time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted May 27, 2011 Report Share Posted May 27, 2011 City probably wouldn't go to this extreme ( who knows?) but the price to watch City in the top league would surely go up significantly. Those who hanker for City to be part of the PL might want to look at what QPR have announced today and consider what might be the practical reality of promotion. http://www.guardian....r-ticket-prices Season tickets up by 40% and match day prices almost £50 per match MINIMUM? It's a price worth paying. It's been over 30 long years since I last saw the mighty Bristol City FC play top flight football. I was a young lad then and now I'm getting old and grey, I'd gladly pay £50 per game to watch us play in the top flight again - even though I couldn't really afford to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverface Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 It's a price worth paying. It's been over 30 long years since I last saw the mighty Bristol City FC play top flight football. I was a young lad then and now I'm getting old and grey, I'd gladly pay £50 per game to watch us play in the top flight again - even though I couldn't really afford to. This is exactly the reason why it's impossible for fans to make a stand against the ever increasing prices. There's always someone willing to pay that little bit more and so the players get paid more and more. Perpetual circle!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 It's a price worth paying. It's been over 30 long years since I last saw the mighty Bristol City FC play top flight football. I was a young lad then and now I'm getting old and grey, I'd gladly pay £50 per game to watch us play in the top flight again - even though I couldn't really afford to. Not actually "Red" Goblin at all then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frome Valley Posted May 28, 2011 Report Share Posted May 28, 2011 Boyvotts and other direct action caused by excessive prices seem more effective in Europe. Maybe it's a cultural difference thing, see Dortmund-Schalke away fans boycott last September time. Comparison to europe is almost meaningless. Football culture here away from the casuals is almost non existant and has been replaced by supports who on the whole are passive consumers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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