Fed Up With East Midland Clubs

[barry_mack]

[Pezo]

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Because I would of of ended up twating him.

Knowing that you could have just skipped the middle steps and filled the **** in. would have solved your problem and you wouldnt feel so frustrated hehe.

[Mr Popodopolous]

With regards the term 'blacks' does it depend on context? For example, in apartheid SA the term blacks would have had very negative connotations being used as it was by those who ran it at the time, perhaps to a lesser degree in segregationist America as was? I don't think the term blacks would be seen in a particularly positive light by South Africans for example. Here? Harder to call I guess, given far, far less racism than these places (though it still is there under the surface, no doubt). There was a negative connotation with the term in apartheid SA- they were labelled 'blacks' whereas non black citizens were labelled 'White South Africans' or Afrikanners. So yeah, it's perhaps a grey area and very much circumstance based.

[numbeast]

As another general point many of the drug gangs in the UK are actually run by white people, however they tend to employ young black men to do the 'dirty work' so you may see/hear about the violence perpertrated by black people it is often ordered by white bosses.

Alas this is true, a friend of mine was involved in drug dealing and yes he was black but those who "instructed" him were/are white. This was in Plymouth an area not known for it's black population. But his sentance was, I believe more harsh than white guys convicted for similar if not the same offence.

I have had the displeasure of working with some Black staff who were arrogant lazy, well let's say stereotypical of the racist view of them. But I've worked with more white people who fit that description and I'd say % wise these things work out about equal, and I have to say the large majority of Black people I've worked with, British, Carribean and African have been great people who were a pleasure to work and socialise with. A bad apple is just that no matter what colour it is.

[TRL]

With regards the term 'blacks' does it depend on context? For example, in apartheid SA the term blacks would have had very negative connotations being used as it was by those who ran it at the time, perhaps to a lesser degree in segregationist America as was? I don't think the term blacks would be seen in a particularly positive light by South Africans for example. Here? Harder to call I guess, given far, far less racism than these places (though it still is there under the surface, no doubt). There was a negative connotation with the term in apartheid SA- they were labelled 'blacks' whereas non black citizens were labelled 'White South Africans' or Afrikanners. So yeah, it's perhaps a grey area and very much circumstance based.

I think the derogatory term for a Black person in SA was Kaffir, I could be wrong though, and the spelling is probably completely wrong.

I have a Black friend from SA, but he is fairly young, so the Term Black to him is what he is, he maybe too young to fully remember the negative conotations many white south africans used. From what I know of SA Blacks call themselves Blacks, whites whites and Cape Coloured coloured. But it is a very shady area becasue of SA's past

[Bar BS3]

People that say that being over sensitive to ignorance and racism is a bad thing are just perpetuating the problem. If you can't see that then, well, if ignorance is bliss you must be ecstatic. What that wong **** said was racist, infactual and ignorant. It's not that he said blacks, it's that he automatically associated being black to being a problem. No question in my mind that that is inherent racism. Nottingham actually has a much worse Cypriot/Turk thing than it does a Black thing.

Then to say that Sparky is moving the goal posts because he got bogged down in childish semantics is just missing the point. I think the point that he was making is that wong was only a couple of sentiments away from saying "Nottingham is full of n****"

Well done lads, you're really helping move forwards from the old ignorant Bristolian backwater stereotypes.

Playing devil's advocate for a minute. Is this not Racist (by your own rational) You are clearly implying here that it is a bad thing (much worse, to use your own words) that there are Cypriot/Turks in Nottingham.

I, for one, do not think that Wong's statement was racist. I think some of the do gooders in the overly PC brigade create problems and racial tension in cases where it doesn't even exist.

I do agree that Wong is generally one of the poorer posters on this forum, contradiciting himself from thread to thread. Not a racist based on the comments made in this thread though.

[22A]

I am getting well p***ed off with the "Super Clubs" from the East Midlands. Both Forest and Leicester fans look at us as some backwater where the locals chew straw and play the banjo all day. This despite both gaining Championship status after us.

You've summed it all up in those two sentences mate!

[bcfcbs20]

<br />Knowing that you could have just skipped the middle steps and filled the **** in. would have solved your problem and you wouldnt feel so frustrated hehe.<br />

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I only just got my sia licence at the time so didn't want too **** it up. /><br />

[Greedo]

[CiderArmyy]

Oh c'mon if you were a Leicester fan and your buying player after player after player with an ex england manager with a decent stadium you're entitled to think you're a big club and look down at a club which ground holds 13,000, and Forest I'd be bloody proud of their history.

[Ron]

Then to say that Sparky is moving the goal posts because he got bogged down in childish semantics is just missing the point.

He is moving the goalposts by contradicting himself. When I give my opinion on the situation feel free to shoot me down, until then don't place opinions on me.

[Greedo]

He is moving the goalposts by contradicting himself. When I give my opinion on the situation feel free to shoot me down, until then don't place opinions on me.

I didn't contradict myself, what I said was taken entierly out of context and misinterpreted.

[Ron]

I didn't contradict myself, what I said was taken entierly out of context and misinterpreted.

According to you blacks is a racist term but black isn't. I must question your issue with the use of plurals as a form of discrimination.

[Greedo]

According to you blacks is a racist term but black isn't. I must question your issue with the use of plurals as a form of discrimination.

I meant that what Teddy Wong said "Nottingham is full of blacks shooting each other" is racist. When I said "blacks is a racist term" I meant that when used in the wrong context (as Teddy Wong did), it can indeed be racist. I did not mean to just plainly say that "blacks" is racist.

[Nogbad the Bad]

I meant that what Teddy Wong said "Nottingham is full of blacks shooting each other" is racist. When I said "blacks is a racist term" I meant that when used in the wrong context (as Teddy Wong did), it can indeed be racist. I did not mean to just plainly say that "blacks" is racist.

What Teddy Wong actually said was not racist in any way, shape or form.

His comments were grossly exaggerated by certain posters who twisted his words for effect to suit their own agendas.

They then proceeded to swiftly pass damning judgement using their false interpretations of what he actually said to call him a **** and label him a racist.

Some of the justification for the initial outbursts in subsequent posts are just laughable.

The whole nasty, concerted and unrestrained personal attack on this poster for no good reason on this thread by a few posters is really unpleasant, totally unnecessary, and a blot on this forum.

[Greedo]

What Teddy Wong actually said was not racist in any way, shape or form.

So you don't think that...

loads of blacks shooting each other in Nottingham

Is racist in any way, shape or form? O.K.

[TRL]

So you don't think that...

Is racist in any way, shape or form? O.K.

Sparky, why do you completely misquote him, and conveniantly leave out the word crackheads. the actual quote is... Innt their loads of blacks and cracks heads shooting each other in Nottingham or something? I just heard its a bit like LA (home of the body bag) south central cinderford fool.

So please tell me where this is racist? He is saying he has heard that there are lots of black and crack heads shooting each other in Nottingham, he isn't stating that, it is what he has been told and has put a question mark at the end to ask if this is correct. Youtr petty attack on him is a little pathetic.

And then you have tha Gaul to say you meant something different when using the term blacks and blacks. Get over it. If you want to attack someone because you have not fully understood the way the sentance thas been constructed then that is your own fault, do not go accusing people of racism because you cannot read properly. Just the same say the way you have constructed your posts has lead people to counter attack you.

[cheese]

I'm with Sparky I'm afraid. And TRL, adding crackheads into the quote just makes it worse in my opinion

[TRL]

Well I guess i have been taught to read english differently to other people. Because he stating something he has heard and even puts a question mark at the end of the sentance to see if what he has heard is correct.

But if my understanding of english is inccorect I apologise

[barry_mack]

He is moving the goalposts by contradicting himself. When I give my opinion on the situation feel free to shoot me down, until then don't place opinions on me.

A bit ironic that. Anyway. You again miss the whole point, but sure, you get bogged down in the intricate details and miss the message itself.

[Ron]

A bit ironic that. Anyway. You again miss the whole point, but sure, you get bogged down in the intricate details and miss the message itself.

There's no irony at all, purely I can't be bothered wading into an argument that has already descended into a farce; I was surprised no one had picked up on the blatant contradiction and pointed it out, nothing more. As I said, if you've got nothing to base your swipe on, pipe down lad.

[barry_mack]

Playing devil's advocate for a minute. Is this not Racist (by your own rational) You are clearly implying here that it is a bad thing (much worse, to use your own words) that there are Cypriot/Turks in Nottingham.

I, for one, do not think that Wong's statement was racist. I think some of the do gooders in the overly PC brigade create problems and racial tension in cases where it doesn't even exist.

I do agree that Wong is generally one of the poorer posters on this forum, contradiciting himself from thread to thread. Not a racist based on the comments made in this thread though.

I'm not sure, maybe I wasn't specific. By 'thing' I meant trouble, i.e. there is more trouble between the Cypriots and Greeks than there are from Black people.

I'm genuinely not a PC dogooder, in fact I'm pretty much the opposite, but that comment was pure ignorance hence my reaction.

There's no irony at all, purely I can't be bothered wading into an argument that has already descended into a farce; I was surprised no one had picked up on the blatant contradiction and pointed it out, nothing more. As I said, if you've got nothing to base your swipe on, pipe down lad.

Heh. If you read the point you'll understand it wasn't a swipe at person, but at the direction that the discussion had taken. Which is where the irony lies.

[barry_mack]