Big Stan Hibbert Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Makes an absolute nonsense of the ranking system. I wouldn't put us 44th at the moment regardless of how the points are calculated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InCider Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Makes an absolute nonsense of the ranking system. I wouldn't put us 44th at the moment regardless of how the points are calculated. Already a thread on this on this in general section (force of habit I assume for OP posting there). We've played a couple of competitive fixtures recently, hence going up, but yes a system that clearly doesn't work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Love it- 2-2 draw at home to Switzerland keeps us above France and Portugal, let alone lifts us above Brazil and Argentina!? Can't see the logic there at all- there is a theory that one should finish according to their rankings, so semis of Euro 2012 it is then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InCider Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Love it- 2-2 draw at home to Switzerland keeps us above France and Portugal, let alone lifts us above Brazil and Argentina!? Brazil haven't played recently, so they lost points. Posted this link on other thread about points system ... http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/fifafacts/r&a-wr/52/00/97/fs-590_10e_wr_points.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taunton_City Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Copa America next month so Brazil and Argies will move up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Are you sure that wasn't the tennis rankings. Absolute joke if you ask me I can think of at least 15 other teams that should be above us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taunton_City Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Makes an absolute nonsense of the ranking system. I wouldn't put us 44th at the moment regardless of how the points are calculated. Really! So us getting in the last 16 of the world cup was a dream was it!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Where are N. Ireland and Rep. Ireland? Cos that's where we're headed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsince1994 Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Really! So us getting in the last 16 of the world cup was a dream was it!?!?! You have a point but I don't believe that we were among the top 16 teams. We had an unbelievably easy group that we struggled to even be runners up in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Haha not in the top 16 indeed. England are a top 10 nation......untill it comes to tournaments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 We are probably top 20 but the points system does need looking at if we have been put 4th. I think it is averaged out over 4 years so can't see how we would be 4th as we didn't even make Euro 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Haha not in the top 16 indeed. England are a top 10 nation......untill it comes to tournaments Yeah, but 4th is probaly somewhat above our station atm... Quarters with occasional tilt at semis is our natural level right now maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stan Hibbert Posted June 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Really! So us getting in the last 16 of the world cup was a dream was it!?!?! Hyperbole my friend... I would also add that if entertainment had any bearing on rankings it would be 444th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Really? The 4 1 over Croatia was one of the best displays of football I've seen, then the Terry bridge saga broke and England havnt been the same since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stan Hibbert Posted June 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Really? The 4 1 over Croatia was one of the best displays of football I've seen, then the Terry bridge saga broke and England havnt been the same since Granted but those performances are few and far between. When was the last one of note before that... the 5-1 v Germany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InCider Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 We are probably top 20 but the points system does need looking at if we have been put 4th. I think it is averaged out over 4 years so can't see how we would be 4th as we didn't even make Euro 2008. Agree with this definitely top 20, probably top 10, but certainly not 4th! Ratings are just obscured at the moment as we've played a few competitive games recently. Most qualifying results for 2008 won't count though as will be mostly outside the 4 year cut off. The points teams gained from playing in 2008 also won't count for much as more recent games are given a heavier weighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Granted but those performances are few and far between. When was the last one of note before that... the 5-1 v Germany? Yeah guess it would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted June 29, 2011 Admin Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Granted but those performances are few and far between. When was the last one of note before that... the 5-1 v Germany? Personally found the Ghana match entertaining with what pretty much amounted to a second string side even if we didn't actually win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_Lemon Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 As a mutual view as I do not follow England and to look at it balanced out, England are not as some people think on here even in the top 20 international teams. International sides such as Spain, Brazil, Germany, Holland and Argentina are miles ahead of England. Even France who were in the dog muck this time last year are starting to rebuild and creating a younger and stronger team. England fans think draws against the likes of Ghana, Switzerland and Croatia are poor results and believe England should be sweeping them aside. This is totally false, in my view those sides such as Ghana actually better than England and have come along way in the last few decades. Fans of England need to take a step back and realise their national team is on the same level as Ghana, Croatia, Switzerland, Denmark and other sides such as Czech Republic and USA. England hardly has any world class players, even though the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Ferdinand and Terry etc are billed as world class sadly there not. I really would like to see England do well but people need to realise draws against the likes of those middle class teams are actually good results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Stan Hibbert Posted June 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 As a mutual view as I do not follow England and to look at it balanced out, England are not as some people think on here even in the top 20 international teams. International sides such as Spain, Brazil, Germany, Holland and Argentina are miles ahead of England. Even France who were in the dog muck this time last year are starting to rebuild and creating a younger and stronger team. England fans think draws against the likes of Ghana, Switzerland and Croatia are poor results and believe England should be sweeping them aside. This is totally false, in my view those sides such as Ghana actually better than England and have come along way in the last few decades. Fans of England need to take a step back and realise their national team is on the same level as Ghana, Croatia, Switzerland, Denmark and other sides such as Czech Republic and USA. England hardly has any world class players, even though the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Ferdinand and Terry etc are billed as world class sadly there not. I really would like to see England do well but people need to realise draws against the likes of those middle class teams are actually good results. Ferdinand not world class? He has been captain of Man Utd and at the top of the European game for years. So disagree with you on that completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Ferdinand not world class? He has been captain of Man Utd and at the top of the European game for years. So disagree with you on that completely. Agree on Ferdinand. As for the rest of the so called golden generation, I'd say no more than the following are world class: Cole, Rooney. Maybe Lampard too. 4 at most basically, so yeah a quarter final side unless we draw someone above. Agree with NudieRed in general though, mostly we're not as good as we are billed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 As a mutual view as I do not follow England and to look at it balanced out, England are not as some people think on here even in the top 20 international teams. International sides such as Spain, Brazil, Germany, Holland and Argentina are miles ahead of England. Even France who were in the dog muck this time last year are starting to rebuild and creating a younger and stronger team. Could the same not be said about England though? After years of underachievment the ''golden generation'' (what a load of bull that was) has come to an end thank God. The young talent we have coming through imo is very exciting. It seems that finally we have 6 or 7 real quality prospects all coming through at once. Wilshere, Jones, Smalling, Sturridge,Rodwell and Welbeck are the pick of the bunch, add them to the already decent 24/25 year olds we have in Rooney A.Johnson Theo Walcott Darren Bent etc and i would say the future looks bright if lead by the right manager. The back 5 looks sorted for years to come, and the front line is looking very promising aswell. My only concern would be the lack of ''Jack wilshere's'' small technically gifted players that are comfartable on the ball. Josh mceachran if anyone has ever heard of him is apprently the next big thing and is likened to Wilshere a lot so hopefully he can be the player to partner Jack in central midfield, who knows.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Risk Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Could the same not be said about England though? After years of underachievment the ''golden generation'' (what a load of bull that was) has come to an end thank God. The young talent we have coming through imo is very exciting. It seems that finally we have 6 or 7 real quality prospects all coming through at once. Wilshere, Jones, Smalling, Sturridge,Rodwell and Welbeck are the pick of the bunch, add them to the already decent 24/25 year olds we have in Rooney A.Johnson Theo Walcott Darren Bent etc and i would say the future looks bright if lead by the right manager. The back 5 looks sorted for years to come, and the front line is looking very promising aswell. My only concern would be the lack of ''Jack wilshere's'' small technically gifted players that are comfartable on the ball. Josh mceachran if anyone has ever heard of him is apprently the next big thing and is likened to Wilshere a lot so hopefully he can be the player to partner Jack in central midfield, who knows.. sturridge and welbeck????? did you not watch the euro under 21 championships....absolute pony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_Lemon Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Could the same not be said about England though? After years of underachievment the ''golden generation'' (what a load of bull that was) has come to an end thank God. The young talent we have coming through imo is very exciting. It seems that finally we have 6 or 7 real quality prospects all coming through at once. Wilshere, Jones, Smalling, Sturridge,Rodwell and Welbeck are the pick of the bunch, add them to the already decent 24/25 year olds we have in Rooney A.Johnson Theo Walcott Darren Bent etc and i would say the future looks bright if lead by the right manager. The back 5 looks sorted for years to come, and the front line is looking very promising aswell. My only concern would be the lack of ''Jack wilshere's'' small technically gifted players that are comfartable on the ball. Josh mceachran if anyone has ever heard of him is apprently the next big thing and is likened to Wilshere a lot so hopefully he can be the player to partner Jack in central midfield, who knows.. for Englands sake I hope so. I hope all of them get a chance of playing for their parent club and play in Europe and such rather than being loaned out to lesser PL sides. They need to be handled with care and guided to play football not to win. Take a leaf out of Spains book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Montana Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Agree on Ferdinand. As for the rest of the so called golden generation, I'd say no more than the following are world class: Cole, Rooney. Maybe Lampard too. 4 at most basically, so yeah a quarter final side unless we draw someone above. Agree with NudieRed in general though, mostly we're not as good as we are billed to be. David Beckham, Michael Owen ? They were the golden generation surely, at the 2006 World cup, even though Owen got injured ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 David Beckham, Michael Owen ? They were the golden generation surely, at the 2006 World cup, even though Owen got injured ! Meant those still playing- but yes, Beckham too in his day. Owen? Very goiod goalscorer, pace wise too but all round game? Less sure- seems to need a 4-4-2 to thrive too which is a hell of a lot less prevalent at the top level these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 David Beckham, Michael Owen ? They were the golden generation surely, at the 2006 World cup, even though Owen got injured ! Owen was world class for a long period but obvious injuries set him back. Beckham has never been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InCider Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 As a mutual view as I do not follow England and to look at it balanced out, England are not as some people think on here even in the top 20 international teams. International sides such as Spain, Brazil, Germany, Holland and Argentina are miles ahead of England. Even France who were in the dog muck this time last year are starting to rebuild and creating a younger and stronger team. England fans think draws against the likes of Ghana, Switzerland and Croatia are poor results and believe England should be sweeping them aside. This is totally false, in my view those sides such as Ghana actually better than England and have come along way in the last few decades. Fans of England need to take a step back and realise their national team is on the same level as Ghana, Croatia, Switzerland, Denmark and other sides such as Czech Republic and USA. England hardly has any world class players, even though the likes of Lampard, Gerrard, Ferdinand and Terry etc are billed as world class sadly there not. I really would like to see England do well but people need to realise draws against the likes of those middle class teams are actually good results. I can see where you're coming from and we are definitely overrated, but think we are easily a top 20 side. A top 20 side should be able to qualify for World Cups and we often do that, despite being in tougher qualifying groups than some other regions. The 5 you mention are top sides though and as bris red mentions, we are also in a rebuilding process similar to France. We certainly lack the technical ability on and off the ball that some of the better nations have, but I think you are being a bit negative in terms of comparing ourselves with countries such as Switzerland, Denmark, etc ... We may only have a few World Class players. I would include Ferdinand, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard and Cole (possibly even Terry) in that list. I also think Wilshere and Hart are not far off either and will only get better. From the teams you mention that we should be on a level with, I can't think of that number of world class players between them. Only Essien, Modric and Cech off the top of my head and a couple of promising youngsters. Draws against those teams should not be considered good results. We should be aiming higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Owen was world class for a long period but obvious injuries set him back. Beckham has never been. How would Owen pre injuries have fared as a lone striker though? Remember winning the midfield battle is pivotal now so would he have got in with that type of role? He might have done the business but I'd have reservations in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 sturridge and welbeck????? did you not watch the euro under 21 championships....absolute pony Come off it mate the service to both of them was beyond dire.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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