Loderingo Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 You have to feel for the guy. His job is potentially on the line, we get a penalty and our 6 million striker misses. Then our defence falls asleep and concedes to 10 men. Truly gutting I realise Millen has his critics. The next Alex Ferguson he is not but he has been a loyal servant to the club for many years and he deserves better than some of the abuse he gets on here People sometimes said Johnson was a lucky manager - well I think Millen is an unlucky manager. Last 2 games we've played well and got nothing. I still feel that we are not far from being a decent team but at the moment it is a case of close but no cigar.
Dorset_Cider Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 You have to feel for the guy. His job is potentially on the line, we get a penalty and our 6 million striker misses. Then our defence falls asleep and concedes to 10 men. Truly gutting I realise Millen has his critics. The next Alex Ferguson he is not but he has been a loyal servant to the club for many years and he deserves better than some of the abuse he gets on here People sometimes said Johnson was a lucky manager - well I think Millen is an unlucky manager. Last 2 games we've played well and got nothing. I still feel that we are not far from being a decent team but at the moment it is a case of close but no cigar. We played well at times....... but no points.......... WE DON'T DESERVE THIS?
Pete1975Legend Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Whos decision was it to take Kilkenny off and leave Skuse & Elliott on?
Donald Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Agree on the point that from the last two games, we've not got the points our performances deserved
Red Robin Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 We need a leader to lead,not a clueless manager. Points wins games. Points help you climb the league Mullen is not doing that. The buck stops at the top.
Lita For Congo Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Look at his subs. Sorry that's terrible.
Guest Ryan 7 Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Most sensible thread in a long time, well said.
Guest DelliottBcfc21 Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 To be honest, ive always said, nice bloke, but nothing more! Conference manager at very best (maybe) but blame the club... He was the cheap option and they offer him a 5 year deal or whatever it was, if they sack him they gotta pay off his contract, which hes only seen out 1 year of.
Modestant Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Sick of the happy-clappers. RIDICULOUS.
SJC Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 I realise Millen has his critics. The next Alex Ferguson he is not but he has been a loyal servant to the club for many years and he deserves better than some of the abuse he gets on here Agreed.
notsobigfatdave Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Dont feel sorry for Keith....Hes got a good enough squad and if he had any tactical nounce we would have won the game today. Hes got a good contract and will get a good severence deal. I think we will have a caretaker manager by this time next week.
Guest DelliottBcfc21 Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 He was already on a contract and it was not prolonged Thanks for the correction... Still have to blame the club regardless of the contract situation, A bloke with no expereince of management and they pin their hopes on him. C'mon he's gonna take the deal, who wouldnt in his position
Somerset Red Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 I don't feel sorry for him at all. I think he's done very well to stay on the payroll as long as he has. Time to go.
BITW Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 I think it's his decision making which angers people most. In fairness it's a pretty big first managerial gig, but clearly he's not up to it and it's time for the board to acknowledge a mistake and act. He's a likable guy, but that doesn't get results.
REDOXO Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 I"m sitting here bewildered... Yes Maynard Missed a Penalty...and I dont agree he should not have been on pens just because he missed at leicester.. Yes We Played well But Yes We conceeded from another deadball........................WTF Yes KM took off our best player AGAIN...What were they thinking. We play 451 away ok I think thats a good idea...But then we some how feel that changing everything taking off your prompter and going 442 is a good idea...I listened from my living room in Chicago and even I could tell Skuse was not playing well, but there was no reason to change anything>>> Yes he will say we thought we could win it, but we could win it by keeping our same shape not reverting to a system that KM does not want to play away....
chinapig Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 You have to feel for the guy. His job is potentially on the line, we get a penalty and our 6 million striker misses. Then our defence falls asleep and concedes to 10 men. Truly gutting I realise Millen has his critics. The next Alex Ferguson he is not but he has been a loyal servant to the club for many years and he deserves better than some of the abuse he gets on here People sometimes said Johnson was a lucky manager - well I think Millen is an unlucky manager. Last 2 games we've played well and got nothing. I still feel that we are not far from being a decent team but at the moment it is a case of close but no cigar. But who chooses the penalty taker (in today's circumstances I would have given it to Kilkenny, but then I would not have taken him off so what do I know)? And who coaches the defenders who cannot defend set pieces but tells us how happy he is with them? Johnson would not have got any leeway so I'm not sure why Keith should so much slack. At any club the manager always carries the can in the end I'm afraid.
Redcliffe 78 Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 A big miss by Maynard, Millen is getting some bad luck last two games but check our stats last twenty games, that is not all bad luck. Next two games four points is essential if not, i think he will go.
Rob k Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Most sensible thread in a long time, well said. Ryan, I'm not chasing you round the forum I promise, but what do you see in millen that makes you think we can improve? My own point of view is that he has cost us the game with his sub whilst we were on top, people will say it was maynards pen that changed the game but they should have scored a 2nd at 1-0 so it's swings and roundabouts.
chinapig Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 I"m sitting here bewildered... Yes Maynard Missed a Penalty...and I dont agree he should not have been on pens just because he missed at leicester.. Yes We Played well But Yes We conceeded from another deadball........................WTF Yes KM took off our best player AGAIN...What were they thinking. We play 451 away ok I think thats a good idea...But then we some how feel that changing everything taking off your prompter and going 442 is a good idea...I listened from my living room in Chicago and even I could tell Skuse was not playing well, but there was no reason to change anything>>> Yes he will say we thought we could win it but we could win it by keeping our shame shape not reverting to a system that KM does want to play away.... Exactly. We were in control anyway not chasing the game so leave well alone.
Riaz Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 There is a part of me that feels sorry for him. At the end of the day, he could lose his livelihood - his biggest mistake was merely accepting the managers job - no one knew if he would be cut out for it or not. Sadly he isnt - and he must go because we need to stay in this division.
spudski Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 As Gary Player said...the more i practice, the luckier i get. We played well today, and it was individual player errors that cost us the win. However... Taking Kilkenny off was a poor move by Milley. Our flow and posession all dried up. That was the managers fault. I also don't rate his shadow Wiggley who seems to go hiding, and they seem to take forever to make tactical decisions. I don't agree with the abuse Milley gets. It should be aimed at SL and the board who appointed him. I get the impression Milley will become a good manager, but i just don't think it will be with City. We need some fresh ideas and someone to fire up our players. Yes...we have been unlucky, but you make your own luck. I feel for KM, but i do think it's time for a change and someone with some greater experience is needed. However...that is easier said than done. It's easy for people to want to get rid of Km, but no one mentions anyone decent to replace him.
pride of the west Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Listening on the radio it sounded like he was speaking with wigs for 10 mins after the penalty discussing a way forward! That aint good enough. Especially as the wrong decision was made in who to take off.
formerly known as ivan Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Whether its down to bad luck or poor management,either way he has to go cus cus none of them are skills required to be a good manager
Loderingo Posted September 17, 2011 Author Posted September 17, 2011 Thanks for the correction... Still have to blame the club regardless of the contract situation, A bloke with no expereince of management and they pin their hopes on him. C'mon he's gonna take the deal, who wouldnt in his position In fairness everyone has to start somewhere. Alex Ferguson wouldn't have won all those titles if East Stirlingshire hadn't taken a punt on a rookie manager in 1974
kevinmabbuttshair Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 I don't agree with the abuse Milley gets. It should be aimed at SL and the board who appointed him. This is very, very true. I would've sold Maynard for all that money, paid off some of the dross, used the extra wages that would then become avalible to keep us going and then told every one that it was going to be tough but it was the right move long term. That's not Millen's fault but an executive decision
Whale Eye Beef Hooked Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 He basically went 4-2-4 and to do that you need 2 ball winners so he took kilkenny off as Skuse and Elliot will "hold" better. The theory is correct but unfortunatly they got a set piece goal . He goes 4-2-4 yet is slated for being negative.... Maynard misses the penalty but it is millens fault If that pen would have gone in i am confident we would have got all 3 points..it seems we played well enough. I don't know how you can slag off millen for his subs if you are not there watching the game, you cant see energy levels etc from behing your keyboard Millen might not be the man to take us forward but he is the man at the moment whilst we are levelling out. When we get the new stadium money will be pumped into our club and SL might choose someone else to take us forward...until then get behind Millen and stop all this negative abusive b***s***
Somerset Red Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Levelling out? Feels more like dropping like a stone.
fka dagest Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 So many people on here are so preoccupied with whether managers are nice or horrible. I keep reading that Keith is nice and Billy Davies is evil. It really doesn't matter. What's important is points and progress. Keith isn't supplying either. I say the KM experiment has failed. It's time to start again and seek to retain our current status before we leave the new guy too much to do.
bucksred Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 So many people on here are so preoccupied with whether managers are nice or horrible. I keep reading that Keith is nice and Billy Davies is evil. It really doesn't matter. What's important is points and progress. Keith isn't supplying either. I say the KM experiment has failed. It's time to start again and seek to retain our current status before we leave the new guy too much to do. Best post of this dismal day. Well said.
Riaz Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 He goes 4-2-4 yet is slated for being negative.... Maynard misses the penalty but it is millens fault Of course its not millens fault maynard missed the penalty - that goes without saying and the fact that your using that point shows how weak your argument is, I can remember when skuse and elliott first played as a midfield 2 - away against stoke, in the play-off final season. It never worked then and it hasnt worked countless times since - they simply cannot retain possesion. Millen was assistant manager against stoke and would have seen elliott and skuse play together ebery time - yet he still hasnt learned it does not work... he's a deep thinker apparently.
Trowbridge BCFC Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Why feel sorry for him? He was the one who thought he had big enough balls for the job! He is the one who mades all the ridiculus decisions, subs, statements etc.... Lets face the facts, we didnt beat a side down to 10 men, and the managers subs had everybody scratching their heads yet again. He is a proper dreamer way way way way out of depth who WILL single handedly take this club down unless he is removed. We were leaking goals when he was just the defencive coach under Johnson, and its time for a good kick up the backside from the board, put their money where their mouth is and sort this club out starting by getting a proper manager.
snodge Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 I have not seen City play for a couple of seasons now due to other commitments. It sounds like we deserved something from both the Brighton and Leeds games but achieved nothing. The teams form under KM is undeniably poor; in that sense he must take some of the blame and deserves the criticism he gets. I believe he has had enough time to prove himself as many other fans do. I suspect that the board wont want to pay KM off and I cant see him walking. As we know the new stadium scenario grinds on; a judicial review takes time and money. Brave decisions, regarding the clubs performance on the pitch, are required at board level sooner rather than later. Put simply we need a proven manager and not a loyal servant. Changing tack slightly I hope that a contract has not been signed that guarantees the sale of Ashton Gate to Sainsburys regardless of whether we get permission to build a new ground. I understand that this has been alleged in the past.
BCAGFC Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Dont feel sorry for Keith....Hes got a good enough squad and if he had any tactical nounce we would have won the game today. Were you at the game Dave to come to that assumption?. Hes got a good contract and will get a good severence deal. I think we will have a caretaker manager by this time next week. Not a chance of that happening, we have a sensible board that don't panic after an unlucky result.
Whale Eye Beef Hooked Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Of course its not millens fault maynard missed the penalty - that goes without saying and the fact that your using that point shows how weak your argument is, I can remember when skuse and elliott first played as a midfield 2 - away against stoke, in the play-off final. It never worked then and it hasnt worked countless times since - they simply cannot retain possesion. Millen was assistant manager against stoke and would have seen elliott and skuse play together ebery time - yet he still hasnt learned it does not work... he's a deep thinker apparently. You talk about weak point for an argument...Elliot played right back when Orr went off in the play off final at half time and SKuse didn't even play well done Riaz your knowledge of football is second to none
screech Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 This is very, very true. I would've sold Maynard for all that money, paid off some of the dross, used the extra wages that would then become avalible to keep us going and then told every one that it was going to be tough but it was the right move long term. That's not Millen's fault but an executive decision Absoutely Kev. The board played Billy Big Bollocks by saying he isn't for sale, well, if you want to keep him and push for promotion you're going to have to spend £6m on players to back up your mouth. Totally shambolic decision from the board, name me another club who would turn down that sort of offer in the championship, better players in the premier league aren't going for that. Now he may not have wanted to go, that would be his decision but the board could have accepted the offer and let Maynard decide, the board could then turnaround and say, well we tried to sell but the player wasn't interested. What happens to business men when they get into football clubs?
screech Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 So many people on here are so preoccupied with whether managers are nice or horrible. I keep reading that Keith is nice and Billy Davies is evil. It really doesn't matter. What's important is points and progress. Keith isn't supplying either. I say the KM experiment has failed. It's time to start again and seek to retain our current status before we leave the new guy too much to do. Billy Davies record of four play off appearances including 1 promotion in the championship. No chance mate, he shouts and moans, thats not what we want. We want a nice man at the top, someone like the local vicar.
Chivs Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Not a chance of that happening, we have a sensible board that don't panic after an unlucky result. What was unlucky about today's result? And do you think we've been "unlucky" in 5 of the 6 other games. And do you think Doncaster were lucky to get a point off us when in all their other games they haven't had the best of luck?
Riaz Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 You talk about weak point for an argument...Elliot played right back when Orr went off in the play off final at half time and SKuse didn't even play well done Riaz your knowledge of football is second to none It was supposed to say play-off final season
Bazooka Joe Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 We want a nice man at the top, someone like the local vicar. Wh have one already.... Pastor Millen. God bless! Amen! What we need is the Devil himself. Has Alex Ferguson got a twin brother?
Guest DelliottBcfc21 Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 In fairness everyone has to start somewhere. Alex Ferguson wouldn't have won all those titles if East Stirlingshire hadn't taken a punt on a rookie manager in 1974 Yeah completly agree, But i feel at that time, we needed another experienced replacement, i find it hard to comprehend, replacing a great manager at this level with a person with no experience at all. I can't blame keith for this, like i said, who wouldnt of taken it in the position he was in.
simon uk Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 I kinda feel for sorry for millen, but persisting with 1 striker at home, and blowing our limited transfer budget this summer on 2 guys who wont get a game, while struggling to cover other areas, he really cant blame bad luck for that. I do however feel that millen has the right to expect more from some of the players, certainly James, and when there are the number of players we have who should be senior pros who dont, or cant get games, but are drawing huge salaries, this cuts down the options for getting people in who will make an impact. We just need to survive this season, with or without millen, and get to next summer to finally get rid of the deadwood.
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