Guest iWurzel Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Have it on very good authority that Dave Jones will be joining in mid October. I am of course as sceptical as anyone else about this right at this point, but all I can say is the same source was right on the money about: a) David James signing b) Steve Coppell resigning before they happened. Don't shoot the messenger!
Robbored Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 So if City win the next two games and then go on a run of good results, Dave Jones will still be joining City?
PFree Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Have it on very good authority that Dave Jones will be joining in mid October. I am of course as sceptical as anyone else about this right at this point, but all I can say is the same source was right on the money about: a) David James signing b) Steve Coppell resigning before they happened. Don't shoot the messenger! I sincerely hope that you are right, I've heard this from a connected person also so let's hope there is truth in it
Riaz Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 This rumour does not seem to be going away.... I'd be happy with David Jones as manager
Guest iWurzel Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 So if City win the next two games and then go on a run of good results, Dave Jones will still be joining City? As I said, please don't shoot the messenger. I'm just passing on what I've been told by someone I work with, who has a legitimate source at the club. If anyone else had told me I would have laughed it off, but as the other two things I've been told by the same person panned out exactly as I was told, I'm not dismissing this as nonsense just yet...
Keith_Lemon Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 So if City win the next two games and then go on a run of good results, Dave Jones will still be joining City? Can you see that happening RR? I would be very surprised if so as would everyone else.
CodeRed Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Have it on very good authority that Dave Jones will be joining in mid October. I am of course as sceptical as anyone else about this right at this point, but all I can say is the same source was right on the money about: a) David James signing b) Steve Coppell resigning before they happened. Don't shoot the messenger! Did you post both the stories about James and Coppell on here BEFORE THEY HAPPENED because I don't recall anything on here about Coppell until it was announced by the media and club on the day he resigned. Robbored's point is a good one - think about it CR
Rocky Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 My money is going on a Hull win this Saturday!
glynriley Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 So if City win the next two games and then go on a run of good results, Dave Jones will still be joining City? Have to agree with Robbored on this one. IF we win our next 2 homes games then draw at Blackpool , I cant see the board replacing KM. (yes it's a big if !!)
Guest del ete Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Nothing wrong with a rumour now & again, although if this is the case why on earth would we wait until mid October....? Hes a free agent.... Maybe he has a family holiday / commitments to see to first...oh wait......deja vouz?
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 So if City win the next two games and then go on a run of good results, Dave Jones will still be joining City? maybe as director of football to help millen who is out of his depth at them moment, help get to grips and guide him to become the manager you believe he is, I don't think its true until millen has gone anyway
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Nothing wrong with a rumour now & again, although if this is the case why on earth would we wait until mid October....? Hes a free agent.... Maybe he has a family holiday / commitments to see to first...oh wait......deja vouz? I alot of managers these days have clauses in their settlements from clubs that they can't start at a new club until after say 6 months, Dowie did which is why tango man sued charlton
Sargent Pepper Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I think you need to ask your "source" why we are waiting until October?
Pete1975Legend Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I hope he's replaced win the next two or not.
eskay Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 My money is going on a Hull win this Saturday! Surely you would not get much of a return on that at the bookies!
Puckle_red Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I've heard the same from another reliable source who also advised of the James and Coppell signings, however I heard sooner than mid-October.
Silentone Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I think you need to ask your "source" why we are waiting until October? Should have finished his gardening by then, and with winter coming CITY will give him something to occupy his spare time.
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Nogbad for the love of god when a new manager comes in DO NOT GET YOUR PHOTO TAKEN WITH HIM!!!!!!!!!
'Orns Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Nogbad for the love of god when a new manager comes in DO NOT GET YOUR PHOTO TAKEN WITH HIM!!!!!!!!! I've mentioned this to him on a number of occasions - if you see him coming up to you at the Open Day, run.....! Have to agree with Robbo though, mid October makes no sense at all. It's either here and now or nothing. I worry that if it's left too long then we're going to be adrift with only Doncaster for company
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I've mentioned this to him on a number of occasions - if you see him coming up to you at the Open Day, run.....! Have to agree with Robbo though, mid October makes no sense at all. It's either here and now or nothing. I worry that if it's left too long then we're going to be adrift with only Doncaster for company we don't know the terms of his departure from Cardiff he might not be able to manage a club for a amount of time
havanatopia Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I hope he's replaced win the next two or not. I agree. According to the crapdiff forum DJ is still on their pay roll.. perhaps this has to come to an end before he can move to a new appointment.
'Orns Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 we don't know the terms of his departure from Cardiff he might not be able to manage a club for a amount of time Yeah, was just working it out Pretty certain he was sacked, so surely they can't put any time limit on when he works again. Surely they can only do that if he's resigned to stop him going to a rival etc etc? Only reason I can think of is that he was happy to stay on the payroll for x amount of time to see out a specific time frame, few holidays, recharge the batteries etc and wait for the endless round of sackings to start
Riaz Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Yeah, was just working it out Pretty certain he was sacked, so surely they can't put any time limit on when he works again. Surely they can only do that if he's resigned to stop him going to a rival etc etc? Only reason I can think of is that he was happy to stay on the payroll for x amount of time to see out a specific time frame, few holidays, recharge the batteries etc and wait for the endless round of sackings to start Clubs can and do, do it. It's called gardening leave. Instead of paying them their contract off, they carry on paying them in the hope that they will quit.. Of course then they wouldnt have to pay the remainder of the contract
glynriley Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Clubs can and do, do it. It's called gardening leave. Instead of paying them their contract off, they carry on paying them in the hope that they will quit.. Of course then they wouldnt have to pay the remainder of the contract Your'e right. Rovers had 3 managers on their pay roll until Trollope got the ass. manager job at Birmingham.
Guest Black Rat Lover_89 Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 i see the next 3 games going as follows: home at hull get a 0-0/1-0 win(maybe but my moneys on the 0-0), reading at home get a scrappy 1-0 win maybe or a 0-0/1-1 draw(probaly the draw knowing us), blackpool away loose 2-0/3-1 with kevin phillips doing the bizzo on us! bring in dave jones now!! ive stuck up for KM alot when ppl have been knocking him but i cant see it getting any better then it is atleast dave jones will freshen things up try new things and maybe we can head for the play-offs(all tho he's not great in them is he !) CTID!!!!
TRL Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 i see the next 3 games going as follows: home at hull get a 0-0/1-0 win(maybe but my moneys on the 0-0), reading at home get a scrappy 1-0 win maybe or a 0-0/1-1 draw(probaly the draw knowing us), blackpool away loose 2-0/3-1 with kevin phillips doing the bizzo on us! bring in dave jones now!! ive stuck up for KM alot when ppl have been knocking him but i cant see it getting any better then it is atleast dave jones will freshen things up try new things and maybe we can head for the play-offs(all tho he's not great in them is he !) CTID!!!! I think a complete change of Outlook is needed for both these games. Take the shackles off and attack, if we get beat so be it, but show the fans some attacking intent. Come on Keith, give them a pure attacking brief and let the opposition worry about us for a change. Give the paying public something to cheer about.
Guest Black Rat Lover_89 Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I think a complete change of Outlook is needed for both these games. Take the shackles off and attack, if we get beat so be it, but show the fans some attacking intent. Come on Keith, give them a pure attacking brief and let the opposition worry about us for a change. Give the paying public something to cheer about. cudnt agree more TRL, we need to attack attack attack in front of our own fans and take the game to hull and reading but i honestly cant see it happening under millen hes going to play one out and out striker like he has been im sure of it and we want get the results we need! i just hope he does what u say and takes a completly different approach to these games but he doesnt seem to learn by his mistakes, like i said i wanna support him but he's trying my paitence!! CTID!!
Guest sportingmad0209 Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Have to agree with Robbored on this one. IF we win our next 2 homes games then draw at Blackpool , I cant see the board replacing KM.(yes it's a big if !!) Not a big enough IF, but now I know why (it won't get any bigger)
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 So if City win the next two games and then go on a run of good results, Dave Jones will still be joining City? Maybe it has gone beyond that and the club have decided KM is not the future whatever the immediate run of results. After all the likelihood is they would quickly be followed by poor ones. If a decision has been made concerning Dave Jones then KM would basically be resuming a caretaking role until he joins. Personally I'll quite happy if Jones comes - if it is true that a drinking culture developed under him at Cardiff hopefully he'll be doubly determined from the start not to let the same thing happen here. Apart from that he would seem a sound choice, experienced and successful at this level, so an appointment that should unite the fans. I'd be quite excited to see what a proven manager could do with our players.
Pickle Rick Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Have it on very good authority that Dave Jones will be joining in mid October. I am of course as sceptical as anyone else about this right at this point, but all I can say is the same source was right on the money about: a) David James signing b) Steve Coppell resigning before they happened. Don't shoot the messenger! I was told exactly the same last night, source from inside the club. Could well happen.
TRL Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 cudnt agree more TRL, we need to attack attack attack in front of our own fans and take the game to hull and reading but i honestly cant see it happening under millen hes going to play one out and out striker like he has been im sure of it and we want get the results we need! i just hope he does what u say and takes a completly different approach to these games but he doesnt seem to learn by his mistakes, like i said i wanna support him but he's trying my paitence!! CTID!! I hope he does as well, we have enough players when given an attacking brief to cause damage. Unleash the beast Millen, attack, attack, attack attack attack. Win some of your detractors back.
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I hope he does as well, we have enough players when given an attacking brief to cause damage. Unleash the beast Millen, attack, attack, attack attack attack. Win some of your detractors back. Exactly TRL. That's the chant I want to hear at kick off on Saturday. Let's get it going right round the ground.
Guest CardiffBlackLabel Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 There is an 'exclusive' interview with Dai Jones to be published at the following website tonight. That might provide an insight. www.annisabraham.co.uk/mb For what it's worth, I've heard the Jones to Bristol City rumour, and I think he'd be a very good manager for you lot.
Guest Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Ive heard the rumour from Football Rumours which I hear is a reliable source. Maybe he has had to sign a contract with small print at the bottom which states he needs to keep Millen as his assistant and the rest of the backroom staff
Betelgeuse Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I heard this rumour a week or so ago but laughed it off but it doesn't seem to be going away.
bcfcchris2016 Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I swear everyones hearing Dave Jones rumours and speculation. This is getting to unreal now. How many so called 'sauce's or 'insiders' do you need.
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I heard he is coming in oct, Source: Blackthorn
CodeRed Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 This Dave Jones rumour is just that - a rumour there is no truth in this whatsoever that he has agreed to come in and the people claiming to "have heard" something should have a word with themselves. This is the reason it's not true: If any of you had read anything about Dave Jones you would learn that he was deeply hurt by his treatment at Southampton when he was placed on gardening leave after being accused of child abuse ( for anyone wondering after months waiting for trial the case was thrown out after his accuser - a man in prison, admitted making up the allegation so he could claim compensation to fund a sex change! ). Dave Jones was so upset that Southampton basically suspended him - even though he had not been guilty of anything - and Saints had already gone behind his back and had Glenn Hoddle lined up to replace him, Dave was upset that Hoddle had agreed to take the job even though Dave was still manager and it was all done behind his back before he was suspended - as a result of this Dave Jones vowed he would never ever in future speak to any club about a managerial position whilst that club had a manager in place. We have a manager in place - Keith Millen All the above is on record during interviews he has given CR
Guest iWurzel Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Did you post both the stories about James and Coppell on here BEFORE THEY HAPPENED because I don't recall anything on here about Coppell until it was announced by the media and club on the day he resigned. Robbored's point is a good one - think about it CR No, I deliberately didn't because at that point I had no real basis as to whether or not the source was reliable. Friend of a friend rumours can get out of hand in a Chinese whispers kind of way. But given that this is the third rumour I've heard from the same contact, and it's now 2 for 2 from him, I'm not dismissing this one just yet. To add to what others have said - I have no idea why they would wait until mid October. If he's available and the board think he's the man for the job then they should act now. But there are credible reasons why they might want to wait. For example, KM may have been told at some point in the past that he needs X points by X date to keep his job, or DJ might have said that he doesn't want to/can't start until mid October. I know nothing more than what I've been posted, which at this point in time is just people talking. I don't pay much notice to rumours normally but this won't go away, and by the sounds of things I'm not the first person to be hearing similar talk from those with a contact at the club.
CodeRed Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 No, I deliberately didn't because at that point I had no real basis as to whether or not the source was reliable. Friend of a friend rumours can get out of hand in a Chinese whispers kind of way. But given that this is the third rumour I've heard from the same contact, and it's now 2 for 2 from him, I'm not dismissing this one just yet. To add to what others have said - I have no idea why they would wait until mid October. If he's available and the board think he's the man for the job then they should act now. But there are credible reasons why they might want to wait. For example, KM may have been told at some point in the past that he needs X points by X date to keep his job, or DJ might have said that he doesn't want to/can't start until mid October. I know nothing more than what I've been posted, which at this point in time is just people talking. I don't pay much notice to rumours normally but this won't go away, and by the sounds of things I'm not the first person to be hearing similar talk from those with a contact at the club. It's all bullsh1t as you can see from my post above - Jones won't speak to clubs who have a manager in place after being sh1t on by Saints/Hoddle get your friend (or is it you really) to make something else up more believeable. CR
Guest iWurzel Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 It's all bullsh1t as you can see from my post above - Jones won't speak to clubs who have a manager in place after being sh1t on by Saints/Hoddle get your friend (or is it you really) to make something else up more believeable. CR I don't know why you feel the need to be confrontational about it. I've never said I actually think this will happen, I felt the inclination to pass on a message I'd heard, which arrived at me via a friend with a source who is involved with the club at a fairly high level. I do apologise for touching a nerve. Leaving that aside for a minute, if you genuinely believe that just because a football manager said something, it will happen or not happen, you must be very naive, or not followed football for very long. The game is full of contradiction and hypocrisy at every level!
Guest Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 This Dave Jones rumour is just that - a rumour there is no truth in this whatsoever that he has agreed to come in and the people claiming to "have heard" something should have a word with themselves. This is the reason it's not true: If any of you had read anything about Dave Jones you would learn that he was deeply hurt by his treatment at Southampton when he was placed on gardening leave after being accused of child abuse ( for anyone wondering after months waiting for trial the case was thrown out after his accuser - a man in prison, admitted making up the allegation so he could claim compensation to fund a sex change! ). Dave Jones was so upset that Southampton basically suspended him - even though he had not been guilty of anything - and Saints had already gone behind his back and had Glenn Hoddle lined up to replace him, Dave was upset that Hoddle had agreed to take the job even though Dave was still manager and it was all done behind his back before he was suspended - as a result of this Dave Jones vowed he would never ever in future speak to any club about a managerial position whilst that club had a manager in place. We have a manager in place - Keith Millen All the above is on record during interviews he has given CR Well, thats bullsh1t as well.
CodeRed Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I don't know why you feel the need to be confrontational about it. I've never said I actually think this will happen, I felt the inclination to pass on a message I'd heard, which arrived at me via a friend with a source who is involved with the club at a fairly high level. I do apologise for touching a nerve. Leaving that aside for a minute, if you genuinely believe that just because a football manager said something, it will happen or not happen, you must be very naive, or not followed football for very long. The game is full of contradiction and hypocrisy at every level! Some managers may be hypocritical but i've read Jones's book and he comes over a a genuine honest bloke - I'd be very surprised if he broke a principle he set himself - because he was seriously annoyed with Hoddle and vowed never to put another manager in the same position. and went on the record with that sentiment. The whole episode (the court case) deeply affected his family and Dave blames it for the death of his father who's health deteriorated andhe died soon after the case broke. I don't doubt Dave Jones would be in the club's thoughts should they decide to part company with Keith but there's no way Jones would be party to agreeing to come in whilst Keith holds the job. We'll see anyway how it plays out . CR
WhistleHappy Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I heard he is coming in oct, Source: Blackthorn InCIDER information then ... like it !!
Pewsham Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 This Dave Jones rumour is just that - a rumour there is no truth in this whatsoever that he has agreed to come in and the people claiming to "have heard" something should have a word with themselves. This is the reason it's not true: If any of you had read anything about Dave Jones you would learn that he was deeply hurt by his treatment at Southampton when he was placed on gardening leave after being accused of child abuse ( for anyone wondering after months waiting for trial the case was thrown out after his accuser - a man in prison, admitted making up the allegation so he could claim compensation to fund a sex change! ). Dave Jones was so upset that Southampton basically suspended him - even though he had not been guilty of anything - and Saints had already gone behind his back and had Glenn Hoddle lined up to replace him, Dave was upset that Hoddle had agreed to take the job even though Dave was still manager and it was all done behind his back before he was suspended - as a result of this Dave Jones vowed he would never ever in future speak to any club about a managerial position whilst that club had a manager in place. We have a manager in place - Keith Millen All the above is on record during interviews he has given CR What if.... Dave Jones had spoken to the board... who told him KM had agreed to step into a coaching role within the Club if DJ agreed to sign. Just a thought
InCider Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 InCIDER information then ... like it !! I'm not the source!
Garland-sweden Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 My money is going on a Hull win this Saturday! Yes. COYR!!!
Garland-sweden Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Yes. COYR!!! My money is in a City win. COYR
Guest Bigdave60 Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 This Dave Jones rumour is just that - a rumour there is no truth in this whatsoever that he has agreed to come in and the people claiming to "have heard" something should have a word with themselves. This is the reason it's not true: If any of you had read anything about Dave Jones you would learn that he was deeply hurt by his treatment at Southampton when he was placed on gardening leave after being accused of child abuse ( for anyone wondering after months waiting for trial the case was thrown out after his accuser - a man in prison, admitted making up the allegation so he could claim compensation to fund a sex change! ). Dave Jones was so upset that Southampton basically suspended him - even though he had not been guilty of anything - and Saints had already gone behind his back and had Glenn Hoddle lined up to replace him, Dave was upset that Hoddle had agreed to take the job even though Dave was still manager and it was all done behind his back before he was suspended - as a result of this Dave Jones vowed he would never ever in future speak to any club about a managerial position whilst that club had a manager in place. We have a manager in place - Keith Millen All the above is on record during interviews he has given CR Maybe WE spoke to HIM
Loderingo Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Adding to the above, it could be Keith wants to quit and the club asked him to stay on until a new man is in place. According to a mate of mine this happened at Swindle last year with Wilson staying on until they lined up Paul Hart. Not saying I believe this - just a theory.
Forza Revolution Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I have heard from a very credible source Keith is on his way! Dont need a source to work that one out though eh!
Guest lee67 Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 "The extreme inconsistency of Dave Jones Wolves will be one of the defining features of his reign, with a particular inability to make a good start to a season" Well looks like he will fit right in with us then.
Red Robin Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 DJ Well respected in the game.highly thought off in the football world,certainly would improve our pulling power,certainly would have the respect of our current players. Would welcome here with open arms. Billy Davies has a better record,he would be my first choice alongside SOD. Dave jones definatly a high calibre manager though.
CodeRed Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 "The extreme inconsistency of Dave Jones Wolves will be one of the defining features of his reign, with a particular inability to make a good start to a season" Well looks like he will fit right in with us then. He got them into the Premier League - to fulfill Jack Haywards dream where 4 previous managers and millions of pounds spent - failed also took Stockport from L1 to the championship in his first job CR
CodeRed Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 DJ Well respected in the game.highly thought off in the football world,certainly would improve our pulling power,certainly would have the respect of our current players. Would welcome here with open arms. Billy Davies has a better record,he would be my first choice alongside SOD. Dave jones definatly a high calibre manager though. Billy Davies record 2 play off positions with Preston - no promotions 1 play off and promotion to the Premier league with Derby Dave Jones record 2 play off positions with Cardiff - no promotions 1play off and promotion to the Premier league with Wolves 1 promotion to the championship with Stockport Check your facts - Dave Jones has a better record! CR
CodeRed Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 What if.... Dave Jones had spoken to the board... who told him KM had agreed to step into a coaching role within the Club if DJ agreed to sign. Just a thought You're in fantasy land - do you REALLY think Keith would accept such a public humiliation. How many managers agree to drop down into coaching when a new man gets their job - I'll save you the trouble of looking it up : answer = none Dave Jones has not spoken to BCFC CR
CodeRed Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Maybe WE spoke to HIM Jeez! Do you really think I meant DJ would cold call BCFC about a job? (When KM is in situ) The Club always makes the move in the situation where they are sounding out a replacement But - as I posted - Dave Jones is on record as saying he will not speak to a club about a managers job when that club already have a manager in place So - IF WE spoke to HIM ................he would say I won't go behind your managers back - the only time he would speak to us is if KM is no longer in charge CR
havanatopia Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 Jeez! Do you really think I meant DJ would cold call BCFC about a job? (When KM is in situ) The Club always makes the move in the situation where they are sounding out a replacement But - as I posted - Dave Jones is on record as saying he will not speak to a club about a managers job when that club already have a manager in place So - IF WE spoke to HIM ................he would say I won't go behind your managers back - the only time he would speak to us is if KM is no longer in charge CR you may be right, you may be wrong on what he might do today; i do not doubt you have your facts right on what he said in the past. Consider for a moment though what Coppell recently said, in fact only this week as i understand it; i would like to get back into football and by that i assume he means management of some kind. this is the same man who said he is retiring after he left city. The fact he said it to smooth the path out, as you yourself put it, may indeed be relevant and render my comparison with DJ a poor one. But, on the other hand, it may not be. In short, we just don't know.
CodeRed Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 you may be right, you may be wrong on what he might do today; i do not doubt you have your facts right on what he said in the past. Consider for a moment though what Coppell recently said, in fact only this week as i understand it; i would like to get back into football and by that i assume he means management of some kind. this is the same man who said he is retiring after he left city. The fact he said it to smooth the path out, as you yourself put it, may indeed be relevant and render my comparison with DJ a poor one. But, on the other hand, it may not be. In short, we just don't know. I take your point but Coppell basically said he was retiring so as not to cause any media intrusion into his real reason and whatever we think of him and his signings his reason was to exit without slagging off SL - who he felt he couldn't work with. ie a good lie to spare the club. Dave Jones assertion that he would never talk to a club with a manager in place stems from the most traumatic time of his life when he was falsely accused, his father died from the shock, and his kids went through hell at school, and whilst this was going on Hoddle went behind his back and negotiated to take his job. I can see Coppell lied to spare the club any embarassment - but the Dave Jones situation is so diffferent and whilst he might - say - mislead the media over a player he might or might not be interested in, I don't see him breaking the principle he established as it all meant so much to him on a personal rather than work level, CR
Pewsham Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 You're in fantasy land - do you REALLY think Keith would accept such a public humiliation. How many managers agree to drop down into coaching when a new man gets their job - I'll save you the trouble of looking it up : answer = none Dave Jones has not spoken to BCFC CR If Keith had gone to the board and volunteered that he thought the managers job was too much for him, and the board asked him to press on til the ink was dry with a new managers signature on a contract, would it really be humiliation? Depends on the size of your ego I guess, and KM doesn't strike me as particularly egotistical. Is it likely? Maybe. Is it probable? I've been surprised before
eskay Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 You're in fantasy land - do you REALLY think Keith would accept such a public humiliation. How many managers agree to drop down into coaching when a new man gets their job - I'll save you the trouble of looking it up : answer = none CR It would be one way of ensuring he still has a job. If he carries on 'as is' then it is looking more and more likely that he will be out of work by Christmas. If he went to the board and said he wanted to just be a coach and they agreed, he would still have a job at Bristol City. He has lived in this area a long time and perhaps does not want to move his family away to another club/area. Dave Jones has not spoken to BCFC You cannot know if he has or has not spoken to the club unless you are actually CS (and neither can the rest of us!).
glynriley Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 Billy Davies record 2 play off positions with Preston - no promotions 1 play off and promotion to the Premier league with Derby Dave Jones record 2 play off positions with Cardiff - no promotions 1play off and promotion to the Premier league with Wolves 1 promotion to the championship with Stockport Check your facts - Dave Jones has a better record! CR Didn't Billy Davies also take Nottingham Forest to 2 succesive play off's ??
havanatopia Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 I take your point but Coppell basically said he was retiring so as not to cause any media intrusion into his real reason and whatever we think of him and his signings his reason was to exit without slagging off SL - who he felt he couldn't work with. ie a good lie to spare the club. Dave Jones assertion that he would never talk to a club with a manager in place stems from the most traumatic time of his life when he was falsely accused, his father died from the shock, and his kids went through hell at school, and whilst this was going on Hoddle went behind his back and negotiated to take his job. I can see Coppell lied to spare the club any embarassment - but the Dave Jones situation is so diffferent and whilst he might - say - mislead the media over a player he might or might not be interested in, I don't see him breaking the principle he established as it all meant so much to him on a personal rather than work level, CR Well, different scenarios of course they are. We'll find out, i think, relatively soon unless we emerge from this nightmare with about 8 wins from the next 10.
reddoc Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 Didn't Billy Davies also take Nottingham Forest to 2 succesive play off's ?? Needs to check his facts apparently....
CodeRed Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 Needs to check his facts apparently.... Yes you're right - I thought he had just missed out but he did indeed get them to the play off twice I'd still rather have Jones as I think he'd be better at managing the whole club, as an example at Saints he overhauled the entire scouting system employing 12 people and each week they would watch every game in the Championship, the following week every game in L1, then L2, Conf, Prem reserve, and back to the Championship. Each scout emailed him his report after the game and he read everything through on the Saturday night. He did the same at Wolves, not sure about Cardiff as they may not have had the cash to do it. CR
CodeRed Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 It would be one way of ensuring he still has a job. If he carries on 'as is' then it is looking more and more likely that he will be out of work by Christmas. If he went to the board and said he wanted to just be a coach and they agreed, he would still have a job at Bristol City. He has lived in this area a long time and perhaps does not want to move his family away to another club/area. You cannot know if he has or has not spoken to the club unless you are actually CS (and neither can the rest of us!). No manager stays on as it's not fair on the new man coming in, Everything Jones has said publically indicates he wouldn't have spoken to City (yet) He could of course be a lying unprincipled a--hole who says one thing and does the other and is happy to stab Keith in the back - but I don 't think he is. CR
Riaz Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 No manager stays on as it's not fair on the new man coming in, Everything Jones has said publically indicates he wouldn't have spoken to City (yet) He could of course be a lying unprincipled a--hole who says one thing and does the other and is happy to stab Keith in the back - but I don 't think he is. CR Maybe it would be a simple question like "would you be interested IF the job became vacant" And if he said yes, I dont think he would be doing anything wrong.
Monkeh Posted September 22, 2011 Posted September 22, 2011 no matter how much I want millen gone I would be annoyed if the board were doing somthing behind his back, its just not cricket and shows a complete lack of respect, but with sexston incharge you never know, I just don't know how to take that man
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