Guest Syco Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 When we are losing 12 million a season? I read a lot of things about sacking Millen and his coaches plus sack the board etc. Jones, Davies etc will be on higher wages plus will want to bring their own people in to work with. For all the people calling for Millen's head please explain how we can afford to wield the axe?
riley the great 86 Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Millen will still be the manager at the end of the season,.... wether we like it or not !!!!! the club just doesn't like change good or bad.
Robbored Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 When we are losing 12 million a season? I read a lot of things about sacking Millen and his coaches plus sack the board etc. Jones, Davies etc will be on higher wages plus will want to bring their own people in to work with. For all the people calling for Millen's head please explain how we can afford to wield the axe? I agree with you. The anti Millen brigade will say that the club can't afford relegation, as if its 100% certain even though City haven't yet played 10 games this season. Its a spurious claim based on nothing more than speculation. We are back to that crystal ball again.....you know, the one that no-one seems to have.
Brizzle Jordan Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Steve lansdown Exactly, not much point in having a very wealthy owner/shareholder if he doesn't put his hands in his pocket when the club is in desperate need of help like we are now.
Guest Syco Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 What we can't afford is relegation. What if we changed manager and coaches etc and still got relegated?
slartibartfast Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 What if we changed manager and coaches etc and still got relegated? what if we didn't and did
Talk Of The Town Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 What if we changed manager and coaches etc and still got relegated? IF
Robbored Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 what if we didn't and did Which ever way you look at it changing the manager is a huge gamble.
Keith_Lemon Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Which ever way you look at it changing the manager is a huge gamble. So is keeping KM as manager. You make your own luck in football. Depends on how you roll the dice.
Guest Syco Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 what if we didn't and did I look at Rovers, I think we are in a simular position that they were in last season. Trollope was doing a good job for them. Their fans couldn't see that. They were skint like we are. Rovers only found out how good of a job Trollope was doing once the new manager had left them in a right mess. I look at our games and think we have played some good teams so far. We have enough about us to stay up as I believe we will pick up the points against the fellow strugglers that we are yet to play.
Robbored Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 So is keeping KM as manager. You make your own luck in football. Depends on how you roll the dice. Of course it is, that's why I said its a gamble which ever way you look at it. You last sentence makes no sense at all.
SC_Red Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Of course it is, that's why I said its a gamble which ever way you look at it. You last sentence makes no sense at all. how is it a gamble keeping him? you've spoken confidently about us getting 60 plus points for weeks. Now its a gamble?
Guest Syco Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Of course it is, that's why I said its a gamble which ever way you look at it. You last sentence makes no sense at all. I think at this moment the gamble is lesser by keeping KM. Sacking and replacing him is of much higher risk. That could change in a couple of games time but at the moment were not even out of September so it's too early to make a call early on. We have all seen clubs in the bottom 3 at this time go on and win promotion or make the play offs. What we also need to remember is historically city are poor starters.
Riaz Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 I look at Rovers, I think we are in a simular position that they were in last season. Trollope was doing a good job for them. Their fans couldn't see that. They were skint like we are. Rovers only found out how good of a job Trollope was doing once the new manager had left them in a right mess. I look at our games and think we have played some good teams so far. We have enough about us to stay up as I believe we will pick up the points against the fellow strugglers that we are yet to play. We have enough in the squad to stay up, I agree. But as a team, we look way off in terms of quality and organisation - and that is down to Keith. A Blackpool fan on another forum said that on paper we have a very good team - one far better than 2nd bottom - he also said he thinks the manager probabaly isn't up to it. He got it spot on.
Robbored Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 how is it a gamble keeping him? you've spoken confidently about us getting 60 plus points for weeks. Now its a gamble? Unlike some on here, I don't have a crystal ball. My opinion that 60 points is achievable is exactly that, an opinion. I can't see what gambling has to do with an opinion.
Robbored Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 I think at this moment the gamble is lesser by keeping KM. Sacking and replacing him is of much higher risk. That could change in a couple of games time but at the moment were not even out of September so it's too early to make a call early on. We have all seen clubs in the bottom 3 at this time go on and win promotion or make the play offs. What we also need to remember is historically city are poor starters. I seem to be agreeing with your posts time after time. Once again, you're spot on.
SC_Red Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Unlike some on here, I don't have a crystal ball. My opinion that 60 points is achievable is exactly that, an opinion. I can't see what gambling has to do with an opinion. right. You just seemed so sure. now your saying its a gamble keeping Millen as manager.
Keith_Lemon Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Unlike some on here, I don't have a crystal ball. My opinion that 60 points is achievable is exactly that, an opinion. I can't see what gambling has to do with an opinion. At this moment in time I cant see City getting 60 points. Not even 50 at this rate. It's all great blaming KM, but this squad is just too blame also. This 'problem' has been coming for the past 3 years. And now it's finally caught up with the club. Lets hope we see a rainbow over the hills sometime soon!
glynriley Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 I agree with you. The anti Millen brigade will say that the club can't afford relegation, as if its 100% certain even though City haven't yet played 10 games this season. Its a spurious claim based on nothing more than speculation. We are back to that crystal ball again.....you know, the one that no-one seems to have. I'm not a member of the "anti Millen brigade" as you call them , but surely you agree that people have a right to question his managerial ability , based on our league position??
Guest Syco Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 At this moment in time I cant see City getting 60 points. Not even 50 at this rate. It's all great blaming KM, but this squad is just too blame also. This 'problem' has been coming for the past 3 years. And now it's finally caught up with the club. Lets hope we see a rainbow over the hills sometime soon! Yet Millen is being given all the blame.
Robbored Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 right. You just seemed so sure. now your saying its a gamble keeping Millen as manager. Of course I'm saying that. Its a gamble keeping any manager. So is changing the manager. Its all a gamble. What's your point?
Robbored Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 I'm not a member of the "anti Millen brigade" as you call them , but surely you agree that people have a right to question his managerial ability , based on our league position?? Of course I agree. Why wouldn't I?
milo1111 Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Anyone thinking km deserves more time is either a. Gas, b. Mentally unstable or c. Both! the guy has had enough time and there are far better proven options for us out there. Another man couldnt do any worse really.
Superjack Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 What if we changed manager and coaches etc and still got relegated? If we go down with Millen in charge, I'll always wonder if another manager could have kept us up. I can't say the same the other way around.
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 I think at this moment the gamble is lesser by keeping KM. Sacking and replacing him is of much higher risk. That could change in a couple of games time but at the moment were not even out of September so it's too early to make a call early on. We have all seen clubs in the bottom 3 at this time go on and win promotion or make the play offs. What we also need to remember is historically city are poor starters. Not so, it's not even a gamble to keep a failing manager, it's akin to throwing in the towel. If he goes we can be sure that a number of superior managers to Keith Millen will be interested in the top job at Bristol City so there really is no gamble involved. Providing, of course, the powers that be actually chooses one of them, in which case we will have an experienced, proven manager at the helm so our prospects will undoubtedly be improved.
SC_Red Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Of course I'm saying that. Its a gamble keeping any manager. So is changing the manager. Its all a gamble. What's your point? my point is you have been fully behind him. now you think its a gamble keeping him and a tough call for the board to make. You've lost faith in him which is surprising seeing how the sun was shining out of his backside a few weeks ago.
Red-Robbo Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Its a gamble keeping any manager. So is changing the manager. Its all a gamble. I suppose any gambler looks at 'the form' before making his or her choice. The 'form' we have to decide on here is Millen's. Is he an manager of above average ability; average or below average? Can we get in someone better? My thoughts are - distinctly average and almost certainly yes.
Robbored Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 my point is you have been fully behind him. now you think its a gamble keeping him and a tough call for the board to make. You've lost faith in him which is surprising seeing how the sun was shining out of his backside a few weeks ago. I've not lost faith in Millen yet. I posted only yesterday evening clarifying my view when someone else suggested the same as you. I'd be surprised if even you didn't accept that sacking or keeping Millen is a gamble either way.
SC_Red Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 I've not lost faith in Millen yet. I posted only yesterday evening clarifying my view when someone else suggested the same as you. I'd be surprised if even you didn't accept that sacking or keeping Millen is a gamble either way. so lets recap... its your opinion that by keeping Millen we will get around 60 points. it is also your opinion that keeping Millen is a gamble. tell me how that works then.
Mr Mosquito Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 What if we changed manager and coaches etc and still got relegated? Football is an entertainment business. Our gates are very poor considering we're at Championship level. A big name manager with a plan for success here will put bums back on seats. Under Keith Millen we're getting sub 13,000 attendances even though 9,000+ season cards have been sold. It's just a shame that Steve Lansdown and Co got their fingers burned by appointing 'big name' Coppell - who was actually known for walking out on clubs. I was chastized a few years back by suggesting we should appoint Warnock, others have got chastized for suggesting Holloway - whatever they're big name managers with attitude and ambition. Out of the managers I know that maybe available I now reckon on Dave Jones as being a safe appointmet to take the club forward.
Robbored Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 so lets recap... its your opinion that by keeping Millen we will get around 60 points. it is also your opinion that keeping Millen is a gamble. tell me how that works then. Again? How often do you miss things the first time? Maybe you just enjoy going around in circle.
Guest belfastrobin Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Of course I agree. Why wouldn't I? Robbered i see you didn't answer my question on another thread. Did you think it was a gamble sacking gj with only 10 games left. Well we did and we stayed up. your just asking a stupid question which no one can 100% answer
SC_Red Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Again? How often do you miss things the first time? Maybe you just enjoy going around in circle. answer the question, theres a good lad. Your opinion is arguing with your opinion it would appear.
Red Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Things could have been so different if only we got the commanding centre half and ball winning midfielder which we have badly needed. We need leadership on the pitch as well as the touchline. SL has to encourage a couple of loan signings, forget the costs. A winning team will provide the extra cash. The waste in the club will disappear sooner or later, but its up to SL either to back the manager or sack him. The longer he waits for things to happen the unrest at this club will continue.
Bazooka Joe Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 For all the people calling for Millen's head please explain how we can afford to wield the axe? We can't afford not to wield the axe!
Keith_Lemon Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 We can't afford not to wield the axe! Exactly. I don't think the club will sack him and reach an 'agreement'. We cannot afford that. Most likely Keith would be put on gardening leave if SL and the board felt it was time to relieve Keith from his managerial duties.
slartibartfast Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 I believe we will pick up the points against the fellow strugglers that we are yet to play. We've just played the worst side we've faced, and THAT went well, didn't it!
milo1111 Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 So let me get this right. The latest defence of the hardy band of dwindling millen backers is to try and muddy the waters and claim. that whatever the board do it's a 'gamble'. Well its a gamble to pick who'll finish higher out of man utd or arsenal in the prem but I know where my money would go. just as it may be a gamble to switch millen for say Dave Jones but i'd bet the vast majority of bookies would offer longer odds on Millen keeping us up than jones.
Forza Revolution Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Hope the new chap does get rid of all the current people and bring in new faces! Lansdown can cope with forking out a little extra im sure!
Guest Syco Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 We've just played the worst side we've faced, and THAT went well, didn't it! Last seasons play off finalists!! They are suffering from the inevitable hangover and I wouldn't be surprised to now see them go on a run.
Robbored Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 So let me get this right. The latest defence of the hardy band of dwindling millen backers is to try and muddy the waters and claim. that whatever the board do it's a 'gamble'. Well its a gamble to pick who'll finish higher out of man utd or arsenal in the prem but I know where my money would go. just as it may be a gamble to switch millen for say Dave Jones but i'd bet the vast majority of bookies would offer longer odds on Millen keeping us up than jones. Its quite staggering just how one-eyed some fans are when its pointed out that both staying with a manager and sacking him are both a 'gamble' How can they not be? Gambling a few quid on who'll win the PL is chicken feed compared to gambling on Championship status. The board have a very tough decision pending but pretty much 80% of the fans on this forum see it at a simple matter. TF they are not board members. If they were City would be changing managers twice a season.
Guest Syco Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Its quite staggering just how one-eyed some fans are when its pointed out that both staying with a manager and sacking him are both a 'gamble' How can they not be? Gambling a few quid on who'll win the PL is chicken feed compared to gambling on Championship status. The board have a very tough decision pending but pretty much 80% of the fans on this forum see it at a simple matter. TF they are not board members. If they were City would be changing managers twice a season. I think people play too much football manager where it's easy to sign a player and managers come and go without it costing anything. I would guess it would cost City well over a million to bring a new man and his staff in. That's without paying Millen and his staff off so add another 750k to a million to that total. At Christmas if we are still in this position then change is needed but currently it would be a massive gamble and a financial one too. Any new manager will also have to work under the same restrictions, Sell before you buy. The problem Millen has and a new manager will have is our players are crap so no one else wants them. Therefor we can't bring no one else in.
SC_Red Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 Its quite staggering just how one-eyed some fans are when its pointed out that both staying with a manager and sacking him are both a 'gamble' How can they not be? Gambling a few quid on who'll win the PL is chicken feed compared to gambling on Championship status. The board have a very tough decision pending but pretty much 80% of the fans on this forum see it at a simple matter. TF they are not board members. If they were City would be changing managers twice a season. I think thats all bases covered so that whatever happens you can say I told you so which lets face it is pretty much all you live for If you have an opinion at least have the spuds to stick to it when the going gets tough.
havanatopia Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 Its a little mind blowing that many base their opinions on one simple unknown; 'we are skint' ... we may be trading at a loss but the business is not insolvent thanks to the largesse of the owners and it is not, therefore and by definition, skint. Millen has had the support of the board to strengthen and i for one think he has made one almighty balls up of that job. Now it comes down to whether the gamble stands on firmer ground by doing nothing or changing managers. This club will make that decision and, i am sure, very soon. For a whole host of reasons it will be as equally important a decision as when GJ came to the club and probably greater. Personally, i think doing nothing is past being an option.
Strictly Obi Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 Its quite staggering just how one-eyed some fans are when its pointed out that both staying with a manager and sacking him are both a 'gamble' How can they not be? Gambling a few quid on who'll win the PL is chicken feed compared to gambling on Championship status. The board have a very tough decision pending but pretty much 80% of the fans on this forum see it at a simple matter. TF they are not board members. If they were City would be changing managers twice a season. I agree, we gambled that sacking GJ would bring us better football and get us higher up the league table and....er.....we are now 2nd from bottom with...er...a manager with a higher loss rate than Johnson...er...we have'nt won a single game at home yet...and...er...you still back him because.. A. He's a nice man? B. He's a brilliant tactician? C. His sinings have been phenomenal? D. Your in some sort of relationship with him?
havanatopia Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 I agree, we gambled that sacking GJ would bring us better football and get us higher up the league table and....er.....we are now 2nd from bottom with...er...a manager with a higher loss rate than Johnson...er...we have'nt won a single game at home yet...and...er...you still back him because.. A. He's a nice man? B. He's a brilliant tactician? C. His sinings have been phenomenal? D. Your in some sort of relationship with him? Perhaps we will never know but i do not think the departure of GJ was down to hoping for better football. Or rather, it was not the catalyst at the time.
miketh2nd Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 What if we changed manager and coaches etc and still got relegated? depends what type of manager we go for if we go for someone with experience of relegation and do get relegated I'd be happier than have then Millen who has no experience of this at all and could make a bigger freefall. Though I suppose if we did go down we can really judge millen on a whole rebuild of the squad and how well he can attract plyers as should be a lot easier at league one. Currently Sheff Utd and Preston both got relegated but have both changed managers and are 2nd and 3rd, I don't agree with the football culture of barely giving football managers a chance but Millen has almost had a year and we are where we started!
Spike Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 If we're losing £12m a season then surely we need to be going up where there is more money, not down as that's going to cost us more. Maybe it's about time Bristol looked for some big investment because at the end of the day we can't afford to go down and we can't afford to compete and having Millen as manager is a testimonial to the fact we can't get someone better in.
Andy082005 Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 I've not lost faith in Millen yet. I posted only yesterday evening clarifying my view when someone else suggested the same as you. I'd be surprised if even you didn't accept that sacking or keeping Millen is a gamble either way. how about now?
Monkeh Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 how about now? he will disapear for a few days then come back with his own warped view and try and blame johnson for all this mess even though he left almost 2 years ago, Millen is a conference south manager at best and not fit to be in charge at this club he has to go
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