ProjectMayhem Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 I genuinely don't know a lot about Mark Robins or what he has achieved at other clubs. I've seen quite a few people on the forum that want him as manager, so i'd like to ask them why? Why do you believe he should be our next manager?
!james Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 I really dont want to see him appointed He doesnt seem to have a well liked style of play, most Barnsley fans on here and twitter dont seem to rate it. Granted he got them out of a similar position to us but it doesnt fill me with confidence What players did Robins bring into Barnsley?
Super Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Didn't he save Sir Alex from the sack scoring that goal in the cup?? Surely he owes Robins?! Loan deals for Owen Berbatov and Ferdinand should do it!
Riaz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 The worst of all the candidates in my opinion. And I mean ALL of them Ideal for us. Especially if McInnes, Jones and Davies arent particularly interested
!james Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 think it would be a major own goal by the board as would be the most uninspiring appointment at a time when attendences are low and the club needs a lift
SJC Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Noises from the odds thread seem to be suggesting the job is his however he is the appointment I'd be least impressed with. Seems he did a decent job at Rotherham and then kept Barnsley up, just feel that all the other main candidates have more about them.
Dolman Block B Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Point One...CHEAP Point 2.....NO TIES Point 3...WILL WORK WITH CURRENT BACKROOM STAFF Point 4....ALWAYS HAD AN AFFECTION FOR BRISTOL CITY
bcfcmike Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 The worst of all the candidates in my opinion. And I mean ALL of them Agreed, when we have been struggling over the last 2 seasons i have always looked at his team Barnsley as 3 points in the bag.....i think it was 5-2 to us and we were playing terrible at the time in a bad run, so NO thanks to Mr Robins for me.
Riaz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Point One...CHEAP Point 2.....NO TIES Point 3...WILL WORK WITH CURRENT BACKROOM STAFF Point 4....ALWAYS HAD AN AFFECTION FOR BRISTOL CITY And on another forum I read, he knows our squad very well and knows exactly what he's going to do?
SJC Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Point One...CHEAP Point 2.....NO TIES Point 3...WILL WORK WITH CURRENT BACKROOM STAFF Point 4....ALWAYS HAD AN AFFECTION FOR BRISTOL CITY Sorry Millen or Robbins? Couldn't resist . . .
Riaz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Sorry Millen or Robbins? Couldn't resist . . . Difference is, one is VERY good manager.
!james Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Difference is, one is VERY good manager. which one?! sturggling to see the Robins love in here, have heard hoofball mentioned alongside him far too much, Barnsey were never an exciting team to watch or produce consistent results
Alex_BCFC Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Meaning cheap? I liked my dad's comment the other day "Same old story it'll be now. We'll hear names bandied around from Alex Ferguson to Mourinho and then when all's said and done we'll end up with a cheap, unimpressive bloke like Bobby Gould or John Ward" Why are we a club that always does things on the cheap??? Other clubs have ambition - we never seem to. Of course we have ambition. We almost made the Prem under GJ and then got Coppell in which was very ambitious. It cost us. I think a reality check is needed for some. We are in a bad situation with no money to spend. In light of that, Robins would be a good choice.
Andy082005 Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Difference is, one is VERY good manager. I'm less then convinced of his ability at this level
Show Me The Money! Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Not saying Robins will be a bad appointment as time will tell, but I don't think the appointment is going to put bums on seats. I think the board have had to have a reality check. Talking about having so much ambition and then probably talking to the likes of Dave Jones and realising that perhaps we can't actually afford or want to spend that much to actually acheive it.
screech Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 So looks like it is to be Robins. We may have let one inexperienced manager go to replace him with another. So what was the point of this exercise?
Riaz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 I'm less then convinced of his ability at this level He had a very decent team at barnsley. A team he built - because they were bottom when he took over - he took over from simon davey who left them with a poor team
!james Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 He had a very decent team at barnsley. A team he built - because they were bottom when he took over - he took over from simon davey who left them with a poor team i honestly cant remember that Barnsley team, who did he bring in?
Riaz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 i honestly cant remember that Barnsley team, who did he bring in? He worked with what he had initially. Cant recollect who he brought in. He got rid of JCR - that will make some happy.
red panda Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Meaning cheap? I liked my dad's comment the other day "Same old story it'll be now. We'll hear names bandied around from Alex Ferguson to Mourinho and then when all's said and done we'll end up with a cheap, unimpressive bloke like Bobby Gould or John Ward" Why are we a club that always does things on the cheap??? Other clubs have ambition - we never seem to. But John Ward was a good appointment. He got us promoted, and hadn't been given enough time in the Championship before the Benny incident. Whatever we all think of Robins against the alternatives, if Robins really wants the job and the others don't, then that has to be a good thing. To some, he might be a cheap option. But, another way of looking at it is that we would have to throw money at the others to make them interested in a job that they don't really want. I'd be delighted if McInnes came here. But he's got to want to do it.
miketh2nd Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Of course we have ambition. We almost made the Prem under GJ and then got Coppell in which was very ambitious. It cost us. I think a reality check is needed for some. We are in a bad situation with no money to spend. In light of that, Robins would be a good choice. I agree with this, as much I my number one choice is Mcinnes as my first choice we have to be realistic with our manager choice and Robins didn't do a bad job with Barnsely but also didn't do anything special either. I'd be happy with Robins but very excited if we get mcinnnes. Either way whoever gets the job will have to be someone who knows how to build a good team seeing as have so many out fo contract this summer. so therefor also think whatever we finish this season even if we ger relegated (too early to say) I would of thought the board would keep him to overhaul the squad and start all over again.
SJC Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Of course we have ambition. We almost made the Prem under GJ and then got Coppell in which was very ambitious. It cost us. I think a reality check is needed for some. We are in a bad situation with no money to spend. In light of that, Robins would be a good choice. Agree apart from the last sentence. Talk of O'Neil is crazy, Moyes sheer lunacy. Even Jones or Davies don't interest me as I'd like to see a more modest/fledgling name who can both stabilise us and then push on. I don't have inside knowledge or sources so for all I know O'Driscoll, McInnes, Zola, Tisdale, even McLaren, all of which I'd much rather see appointed, may not be interested/suitable for whatever reason. But the appointment of Robbins screams mediocrity to me. Id love to be proved wrong, delighted to see him come in and push us up the table while playing decent stuff, but his appointment seems more about survival than it does progression and that kind of mindset bothers me.
Red Ferret Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Great signing if we want to finish 18th every season
bcfcmike Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Ill def feel sorry for Millen if we appoint Robins, dont get me wrong i thought millys time was up and needed to go. However but your self in Millys shoes for a sec get sacked and get replaced by Jones, Davies or Oneil he's gotta think to himself "fairplay to the club" but to get replaced by another apprentice manager that imo is not going to put more bums on seats or get us to where we wanna be surely he will feel he been shit on from a great height.
Riaz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Ill def feel sorry for Millen if we appoint Robins, dont get me wrong i thought millys time was up and needed to go. However but your self in Millys shoes for a sec get sacked and get replaced by Jones, Davies or Oneil he's gotta think to himself "fairplay to the club" but to get replaced by another apprentice manager that imo is not going to put more bums on seats or get us to where we wanna be surely he will feel he been shit on from a great height. How is he and apprentice manager? If he takes over, this will be his 3rd job. And he has done well in both previous jobs.
bcfcmike Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 How is he and apprentice manager? If he takes over, this will be his 3rd job. And he has done well in both previous jobs. Riaz granted at Rotherham i think he did well, albeit at a lower level than we are at, but Barnsley mate i seriously wouldnt describe it as doing well?? Not really much difference too Milly last season??
Riaz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Riaz granted at Rotherham i think he did well, albeit at a lower level than we are at, but Barnsley mate i seriously wouldnt describe it as doing well?? Not really much difference too Milly last season?? Millen already had a good squad. Just started badly - he has since made us worse He also knew the club already. Robins was totally new to Barnsley and didnt know their squad.
Riaz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Define, well at Barnsley. An 18th and 17th, A win ratio on a par with Millen? As ive said in another thread if we had been relegated then because of what he did with Rotherham I could see why he had been appointed if that was the case. With 3/4's of the season to go in this league and things far from being cut and dried, it makes no sense to do so. I'm pretty sure that Robins didnt spend nearly 2 million quid? and he wasnt there long at all. Cant believe people are even comparing robins with millen
bcfcmike Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Millen already had a good squad. Just started badly - he has since made us worse He also knew the club already. Robins was totally new to Barnsley and didnt know their squad. Robins prob doesnt know our squad any better then he knew the Barnsley squad, so as i have already said imo he didnt set the world alight at barnsley so thats we gotta get used to then......Great??
Riaz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Robins prob doesnt know our squad any better then he knew the Barnsley squad, so as i have already said imo he didnt set the world alight at barnsley so thats we gotta get used to then......Great?? I think he does know our squad well.... And what do you expect him to do at a small club like Barnsley in a short amount of time?
Monkeh Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 I'm pretty sure that Robins didnt spend nearly 2 million quid? and he wasnt there long at all. Cant believe people are even comparing robins with millen Millen is a better manager then robins
bcfcmike Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 I think he does know our squad well.... And what do you expect him to do at a small club like Barnsley in a short amount of time? How does he know our squad well??
steviestevieneville Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Ideal for us. Especially if McInnes, Jones and Davies arent particularly interested We need to get out of trouble obviously. If he came in and did that, where then ? All i can see is relegation battles year after year. Really not like me to be so negative perhaps it's the slow decline over the last 3 years.
bcfcmike Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 We need to get out of trouble obviously. If he came in and did that, where then ? All i can see is relegation battles year after year. Really not like me to be so negative perhaps it's the slow decline over the last 3 years. Totally agree rj
!james Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%9310_Barnsley_F.C._season review of Barnsley 2009/10 season when Robins took over http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Barnsley_F.C._season review of Barnsley 2010/11 season with Robins in charge makes interesting reading, shows transfers/loans in, all results, league positions etc
Pete1975Legend Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 PLease not Robins. Mind you this is bristol city shouldn't be surprised. BUT this won't bring people through the turnstiles. Bring in Jones and see a difference
bcfcmike Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 And on another forum I read, he knows our squad very well and knows exactly what he's going to do? Riaz Riaz Riaz, come on my boy you have 10000 odd posts you know how forums work?? I read on a forum this morning that Martin O'neil is being appointed this afternoon so lets hope everything we read on forums is true However you state he went to Barnsley and didnt know there squad even though he was Rotherham manager, which is like us and the sags, yet we are 150 odd miles away but you say he knows our squad well?? I just cant see it mate..... I just dont think its a step forward appointing Robins. Once again thats only my opinion and you are fully entiteled to yours mate.
steviestevieneville Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Where's Barnsley tyke when you need him. Come on mate give us your opinion on Robins.
Monkeh Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Where's Barnsley tyke when you need him. Come on mate give us your opinion on Robins. he already posted and told us to stay clear
Slave to the rhythm Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Agree apart from the last sentence. Talk of O'Neil is crazy, Moyes sheer lunacy. Even Jones or Davies don't interest me as I'd like to see a more modest/fledgling name who can both stabilise us and then push on. I don't have inside knowledge or sources so for all I know O'Driscoll, McInnes, Zola, Tisdale, even McLaren, all of which I'd much rather see appointed, may not be interested/suitable for whatever reason. But the appointment of Robbins screams mediocrity to me. Id love to be proved wrong, delighted to see him come in and push us up the table while playing decent stuff, but his appointment seems more about survival than it does progression and that kind of mindset bothers me. We are bottom of the table, so survival HAS to be the main priority. Also, if the others don't want the job then there's no point in appointing them. We'd have another Coppell situation on our hands. I say give Robins a chance. He's young and enthusiastic and could well turn out to be a great appointment. Just don't expect miracles overnight, bearing in mind the state of the club at the moment.
havanatopia Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 We are bottom of the table, so survival HAS to be the main priority. Also, if the others don't want the job then there's no point in appointing them. We'd have another Coppell situation on our hands. I say give Robins a chance. He's young and enthusiastic and could well turn out to be a great appointment. Just don't expect miracles overnight, bearing in mind the state of the club at the moment. You should be in school and learning something Robins Jnr. Nice try.
Warwickshire Red Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Appointing Robins will confirm the lowering of ambition for the club for the foreseeable future. Some may say this is realistic because of funding but I 'd find this extremely disappointing nevertheless. Only marginally less disappointing than the Millen appointment for me.
Guest catcott_red1 Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 People keep saying appoint robins he will keep us up. Yeh great if he does but what about next season,if we are down there again are we going to sack him and get another manager who can keep us up.Just stupid we need a manager who can get us into the top half,oour squad IS capable of that with the right man,playing right football. For me Robins is not the answer at all
Slave to the rhythm Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Groundhog day if Robins is given the job. I may as well state what I did last time we went through this exercise "May well be a nice guy, I don't know him personally but what an incredibly underwhelming appointment and yet again Bristol City FC's board have not failed to disappoint me" Still we might save some money eh? I mean that's what we're about as a club isn't it? Getting away with the cheap option if we can..... If we do things on the cheap, how come we lose £millions each year?
Riaz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 You are seriously deluded if you don't think we are in a relegation fight. If we aren't, why have we just sacked our manager? That back five you have listed above will see us relegated. And as for Woolford, don't make me laugh. He's a League One player at best. Because he was'nt getting anything out of a good set of players... A decent manager - with an addition of a player or 2, could do very well with this squad.
Riaz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 The entire back 4 is 36% of the team. Not quite the odd player or two. We're a rabble at the back and we have no confidence in the midfield or up front. There are good players but in my opinion move average ones than good in that team now. Says a lot when our best player last season was a 19 year old kid who wasn't actually employed by us. I never suggested we had an amazing squad - simply enough to get out of trouble.
Slave to the rhythm Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Because he was'nt getting anything out of a good set of players... A decent manager - with an addition of a player or 2, could do very well with this squad. Sorry, I don't agree. The current squad isn't good enough for anything more than a fight against relegation, regardless of who the manager is. The majority of posters on here over the Summer were concerned about our lack of quality, and nothing has happened recently to improve the overall quality of the squad. The squad is too big, too expensive and utterly mediocre. A recipe for disaster.
Riaz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Sorry, I don't agree. The current squad isn't good enough for anything more than a fight against relegation, regardless of who the manager is. The majority of posters on here over the Summer were concerned about our lack of quality, and nothing has happened recently to improve the overall quality of the squad. The squad is too big, too expensive and utterly mediocre. A recipe for disaster. Millen's poor organisational skills, made our players look worse than they are. A couple of defenders and a manager who can organise defensively and we will start picking up results IMO
Alex_BCFC Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Considering Robins took Barnsley from bottom to 18th in his first season and then had a solid season the next, I'm amazed anyone would think Millen is on a par or better than him. Millen would not have lead us to 19th this season as the first 10 games have shown. We have no Caulker to bring in to save us this season. Robins was never given a chance to have that 3rd season where it would have been interesting to see if he could kick on with Barnsley. Having said that, most people on this board usually predict Barnsley to get relegated every year so for him to keep them up comfortably is decent. He isn't my first choice. SOD is. But when entering the real world, he is a decent affordable option who is likely to save us this season and steady the ship the next. I'm not sure if he can go further after that but he did take Rotherham up the right end of the table with a 17 point deduction so I would hope he could.
Brizzle Jordan Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Robins = I wouldn't be that excited but would understand why and would see it as a long-term appointment Dave Jones = I'll be very happy but wouldn't see it as a long-term appointment Derek McInnes = Same as Robins basically but i think he'll make a better manager than Robins
Redtucks Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Why are we a club that always does things on the cheap??? Other clubs have ambition - we never seem to. Was Coppell on the cheap and lacking ambition?
SJC Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 If we aren't, why have we just sacked our manager? Because after 70ish games (not including the Coppell cameo), he had failed to show any real signs of being able to perform any aspect of his job to an acceptable level. I hope he learns from this and comes back stronger but Millen looked well out of his depth on multiple fronts on various occasions. If a new man comes in and wins three of five people will be screaming playoffs, we're not in a relegation fight at this point in time and have a decent amount of good players who instructed and directed sufficiently will get results.
Guest Red85 Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Not for me either.......don't think he done a good job for Barnsley and the supporters their really don't rate him.
Alex_BCFC Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Yup, Millen finished 15th eventually. So already he has a higher league finish than Robins I guess your solid is a way of hiding that 18th and 17th are the new desired finishes? Its speculative, because its something we will never know now that he isnt manager Barnsley are 16th at the moment, under their new boss, so not a massive change there thus far Define decent? and again Rotherham was in the league below. If we had already been relegated then yeah I could see your point, but as for the rest of the season we dont actually play in League One, im struggling to find where the relevance is given his performance at Barnsley in this league Remember that Robins took over in September in his first year in charge there, so they were hardly dead and buried then, and isnt the great escape that its made out to be. Millen did well to finish 15th but as I said I think Caulker was the difference and without him to save us then I'm pretty sure we would be dead and buried this season. Of course there is no way of telling though - just opinion. 18th and 17th would be fine for now. Not long term but better than relegation which in my opinion was the most likely option under Millen this season. Barnsley have made a good start. Not sure where they will finish but not sure it will be as high as 16th. I'm not that bothered about managers doing well in the league below. GJ did only got promotions in the leagues below yet got us out of league 1. Had there not been a 17 point deduction, Robins would have had Rotherham promoted. I agree it wasn't a great escape over the course of the season but considering he had them out of the bottom 3 before Xmas, that isn't bad and something I would take with us right now. As I've said before, he isn't my number one choice, but I think it would be a solid and realistic appointment given the current circumstances.
Belfastcityfan Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Robins would be a sideward step imo Bloody backward step.....
Riaz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Bloody backward step..... Can remind you we had Millen in charge. Robins is ten times better.
Belfastcityfan Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Can remind you we had Millen in charge. Robins is ten times better. I'm sure, and know he is Riaz but being ten times better than Keef ain't nothing to brag about If the board want to give the fans a sign of the clubs ambition, we need a bigger name than Mark Robins
havanatopia Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Can remind you we had Millen in charge. Robins is ten times better. Millen was 11 steps back
Taunton_City Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Sidewards/backwards step!! I'm sorry but your talking rubbish!! Millen had never managed before!! Robins did very well with Rotherham even with all the money problems! And kept up a poor Barnsley side!!!
Riaz Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 I'm sure, and know he is Riaz but being ten times better than Keef ain't nothing to brag about If the board want to give the fans a sign of the clubs ambition, we need a bigger name than Mark Robins I dont want a big name. If there coming here, that means they have usually failed miserably elsewhere.
havanatopia Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Sidewards/backwards step!! I'm sorry but your talking rubbish!! Millen had never managed before!! Robins did very well with Rotherham even with all the money problems! And kept up a poor Barnsley side!!! Not sure if you are directing that at me but anyway; i happen to think Robins would keep us up, just. Perhaps that is all a lot of you would be satisfied with. I happen to think, however, that there are far better candidates who would do a lot more than just keep us up.
Taunton_City Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 I'm sure, and know he is Riaz but being ten times better than Keef ain't nothing to brag about If the board want to give the fans a sign of the clubs ambition, we need a bigger nam e than Mark Robins :disapointed2se My god who do you think we are?? We are Bristol city, losing 12 million a year and ave att of between 12-14k we are NOT a big club! We need to bring in manager who is going to build someone long term!!!
Belfastcityfan Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 Sidewards/backwards step!! I'm sorry but your talking rubbish!! Millen had never managed before!! Robins did very well with Rotherham even with all the money problems! And kept up a poor Barnsley side!!! Hows it rubbish? Why did SL hire Steve Coppel, and then give the job to a guy who never managed before? Yes Robins did well, but whats the point of a new 30,000 seater stadium when we are reaching the dizzy heights of 18th in the league each year? Will we fill the stadium? No Will the fans be happy with that? No.......it should be every teams ambition to get to the PL, will robins get us there? No Wheres your ambition for this club???
havanatopia Posted October 7, 2011 Posted October 7, 2011 My god who do you think we are?? We are Bristol city, losing 12 million a year and ave att of between 12-14k we are NOT a big club! We need to bring in manager who is going to build someone long term!!! I agree with your last sentence, McInnes fits the bill nicely!
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