CotswoldRed Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 That wasn't my point. I thought it was clear enough. To hit the post 21 times in a season is quite miraculous, and shows that Liverpool haven't been as far away from being decent as people are trying to make out. The table doesn't lie, but if you dig a little deeper you can see that the signs are there that with the addition of a goalscorer or a winger who can feed Carroll (who if given the right service is unstoppable.) Liverpool can be a decent force in the league. I haven't seen enough of them to really provide a decent viewpoint. A close mate is a Liverpool fan and he despairs of them at the moment - I've formed the impression that they have been great at times but in equal measure very poor at other times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northampton Red Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Couldn't give a toss about Liverpool or Man Utd, they both annoy the hell out of me. But I think the general consensus is that 'King' Kenny has had a bit of a beast at Liverpool this time round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderArmyy Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 That wasn't my point. I thought it was clear enough. To hit the post 21 times in a season is quite miraculous, and shows that Liverpool haven't been as far away from being decent as people are trying to make out. The table doesn't lie, but if you dig a little deeper you can see that the signs are there that with the addition of a goalscorer or a winger who can feed Carroll (who if given the right service is unstoppable.) Liverpool can be a decent force in the league. andy carroll unstoppable..oh dear lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarf Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 What Steve Kean video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 I think this season the performances haven't always matched up with the results for Liverpool. They've hit the woodwork 21 times this season : Now, You add 21 goals to the teams tally and it doesn't make such sorry reading. I know of course that hitting the woodwork isn't even a shot on target, but to do so 21 times in a season (up until the arsenal game, I'm not sure if they've done it since?) is surely classed as unlucky? Dalglish has got the team playing some expansive and attacking football and is missing the end product in the team, it's for that reason that many Liverpool fans think they're not as far as is being made out from being capable of getting back into the top 4. So the 7 games we dropped points in when winning under Gary, which would have seen us in the play-offs rather than 15th, should have kept him in a job? Football is a game of fine margins, Liverpool have been on the wrong side far too many times, it's an unforgiving game. Especially when you've blown so much money on relative dross. That doesn't even cover picking up 18 points in the second half of the season, one more than Steve Kean's barmy army. Your defence is mindless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 carroll may well be almost unplayable at his best, but the trouble is 9 times out of 10 the only time he is unstoppable is on his way to the bar obivously with a few key additions liverpool could have a shot at another top 8 finish next year, but sadly for them and their fans its far more likely that kenny will spend £45m on craig woodman than make sensible investments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 That wasn't my point. I thought it was clear enough. To hit the post 21 times in a season is quite miraculous, and shows that Liverpool haven't been as far away from being decent as people are trying to make out. The table doesn't lie, but if you dig a little deeper you can see that the signs are there that with the addition of a goalscorer or a winger who can feed Carroll (who if given the right service is unstoppable.) Liverpool can be a decent force in the league. This is exactly why Liverpool are in the mess they're in. Heads in the sand, ignoring the abject performances. What were their total shots compared with other teams? What were their stats relating to shots saved? Hitting the post 21 times in 38 games may be unfortunate in itself, but most stats are irrelevant in isolation. The fact of the matter is that for a club with the collective ego of Liverpool, finishing 8th is a very bad season You sum it up in your last sentence; add a 'decent winger and a decent goalscorer and Liverpool will be a force in the league'. Add 2 quality players to any of those mid-table teams (L'pool, Fulham, Everton, West Brom...) they'd challenge for the title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderArmyy Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 liverpool still haven't replaced xabi alonso.. the day he left the club fell apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 carroll may well be almost unplayable at his best, but the trouble is 9 times out of 10 the only time he is unstoppable is on his way to the bar Now is that the crossbar or the bar round the corner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Back to OP.......Danny Wilson to go after losing play off final........deja vou! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northampton Red Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 What Steve Kean video? There's a video of him in a Hong Kong bar doing the rounds. In it, he talks about how much of a crook Big Sam is and how he dropped the ball regarding Phil Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Clearly Jordan Tansley is biased when it comes to Liverpool, and most of you are biased the other way. From a neutral perspective, I'd say Liverpool have had a poor season, but their cup runs, and some results against the bigger teams show that they're not too far off being competitive for the top 4. Any other manager almost certainly would have been sacked, but Kenny's done it all before at Liverpool, so it makes some sense to give him a little more time. The over-spending is not defendable, neither are the poor performances from players like Downing, Henderson and Adam, and it is about time someone at the football club realised that Jay Spearing isn't going to make it, and isn't even young any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 liverpool still haven't replaced xabi alonso.. the day he left the club fell apart. Surely it fell apart for Liverpool when Tinnion's shot hit the back of the net! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Surely it fell apart for Liverpool when Tinnion's shot hit the back of the net! That's right. They haven't won a title since that goal went in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whale Eye Beef Hooked Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Won more titles than you. You don't seem to understand the role of director of football very well. Won the first trophy in 6 years. Hit the woodwork more than any other. If all those near misses had gone in Liverpool would have got a champions league place. Our game. Don't make me laugh, he's done more for the british football than you could ever contemplate. You get out. I love it how Liverpool fans keep banging on about the woodwork stat. You cant go on about that otherwise people will be saying that Man city only won the league because Evra his the post when man u were 4-2 up against everton. A miss is a miss.... Why are you going on about the director of football ??? he was talking about Kenny ?!?! yes... he was talking about Kenny and not slagging off a member of your family was there any need for that aggresion ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 I think this season the performances haven't always matched up with the results for Liverpool. They've hit the woodwork 21 times this season : No. Player Opponents Woodwork Hit 1 Stewart Downing Sunderland Crossbar 2 Martin Kelly Arsenal Post 3 Andy Carroll Wolves Post 4 Charlie Adam Everton Crossbar 5 Dirk Kuyt Everton Post 6 Martin Skrtel Norwich Crossbar 7 Luis Suarez Norwich Post 8 Luis Suarez Norwich Post 9 Stewart Downing West Brom Post 10 Andy Carroll Swansea Post 11 Jordan Henderson Fulham Post 12 Stewart Downing Fulham Crossbar 13 Maxi Rodriguez QPR Post 14 Shaun Wright-Phillips QPR Crossbar 15 Luis Suarez Aston Villa Crossbar 16 Luis Suarez Aston Villa Post 17 Andy Carroll Blackburn Post 18 Andy Carroll Newcastle Crossbar 19 Daniel Agger Bolton Crossbar 20 Luis Suarez Arsenal Post 21 Dirk Kuyt Arsenal Post Now, You add 21 goals to the teams tally and it doesn't make such sorry reading. I know of course that hitting the woodwork isn't even a shot on target, but to do so 21 times in a season (up until the arsenal game, I'm not sure if they've done it since?) is surely classed as unlucky? Dalglish has got the team playing some expansive and attacking football and is missing the end product in the team, it's for that reason that many Liverpool fans think they're not as far as is being made out from being capable of getting back into the top 4. Do you know Jordan, I'm pretty new to this forum. I remember reading posts early on and it seemed you were getting more than your fair share of stick. When I read your comments and articles, they seemed well balanced and well thought out. I enjoyed reading some of them. But now the stick makes sense. What utter b o l l. o c k s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Dalgleish has done an ok job this season, he made two cup finals and won the least sought after, but, it's still better than Man Utd or Arsenal did this season. He's building a young team and they will need more than a season to start challenging for top 4. The Liverpool fans wont be calling for his head anytime soon as long as he gets near to winning trophies, which he succesfully did. As a fan of the club, the only time he irritated me this season was over the Suarez incident, instead of sulking and going overboard standing up to the media, he should have said from the off he will deal with it internally and the club should have made a statement straight away condemning racism, however in the right they thought they were. Other than that, he's not done bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Dalgleish has done an ok job this season, he made two cup finals and won the least sought after, but, it's still better than Man Utd or Arsenal did this season. He's building a young team and they will need more than a season to start challenging for top 4. The Liverpool fans wont be calling for his head anytime soon as long as he gets near to winning trophies, which he succesfully did. As a fan of the club, the only time he irritated me this season was over the Suarez incident, instead of sulking and going overboard standing up to the media, he should have said from the off he will deal with it internally and the club should have made a statement straight away condemning racism, however in the right they thought they were. Other than that, he's not done bad. Are you honestly telling me that you think that Liverpool had a better season than Arsenal, let alone Man United? Won 14 Drawn 10 Lost 14 It's alright though, they won the mickey mouse trophy. It's just a shame UEFA gave the 4th champions league spot to the team finishing in 4th and not the team who hit the woodwork the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 It's Dalglish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Dalgleish has done an ok job this season, he made two cup finals and won the least sought after, but, it's still better than Man Utd or Arsenal did this season. You can't be serious, surely? Do you really think the Utd and Arsenal fans would rather have won either of the cups, over qualifying for the CL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Are you honestly telling me that you think that Liverpool had a better season than Arsenal, let alone Man United? Won 14 Drawn 10 Lost 14 It's alright though, they won the mickey mouse trophy. It's just a shame UEFA gave the 4th champions league spot to the team finishing in 4th and not the team who hit the woodwork the most. In the League no, I'm saying both of those teams would have loved to have played in both of those finals and both sets of fans and players would have wanted to win a trophy. So in that respect, Liverpool have had more success because they have won something, whether you think it's worthless or not, there are 3 domestic trophies to win each season, Liverpool won the League Cup and reached the final of another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 In the League no, I'm saying both of those teams would have loved to have played in both of those finals and both sets of fans and players would have wanted to win a trophy. So in that respect, Liverpool have had more success because they have won something, whether you think it's worthless or not, there are 3 domestic trophies to win each season, Liverpool won the League Cup and reached the final of another. Oh come on. I know that Liverpool fans are in love with KD, but these KK tinted glasses are ridiculous. Dalglish didn't do OK. He did poorly. If all football fans voted, Liverpool would be voted laughing stock of the season ahead of any other team. Yes, they won the Carling Cup, but you can't use that as an excuse that he did OK, surely? Liverpool finished 4 points behind Everton and only won 6 of 18 games at fortress Anfield. Furthermore he backed a racist when nothing other than chastisement was acceptable. If this wasn't Kenny Dalglish, he would have been sacked a long while ago. (I still can't get over the woodwork comments tho!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 In the League no, I'm saying both of those teams would have loved to have played in both of those finals and both sets of fans and players would have wanted to win a trophy. So in that respect, Liverpool have had more success because they have won something, whether you think it's worthless or not, there are 3 domestic trophies to win each season, Liverpool won the League Cup and reached the final of another. No, Arse and Utd have won a place in the CL, far more successful than the domestic cups. Sure, the fans would have liked to win a cup, but to not get in the CL would have caused them great unhappiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Oh come on. I know that Liverpool fans are in love with KD, but these KK tinted glasses are ridiculous. Dalglish didn't do OK. He did poorly. If all football fans voted, Liverpool would be voted laughing stock of the season ahead of any other team. Yes, they won the Carling Cup, but you can't use that as an excuse that he did OK, surely? Liverpool finished 4 points behind Everton and only won 6 of 18 games at fortress Anfield. Furthermore he backed a racist when nothing other than chastisement was acceptable. If this wasn't Kenny Dalglish, he would have been sacked a long while ago. (I still can't get over the woodwork comments tho!) Just saying out of three competitions Liverpool were in at the start of the season, they won one, the League campaign was very poor by their standards but they also reached the FA cup final. If you judge the season just on League position it was a poor one, but there are other trophies to win and they also got back into Europe as well. One thing Liverpool fans wont do is turn on KD when the club have been rebuilding and still won something, Liverpool are moving in the right direction, it wont be next season, but the season after that I expect them to finish strongly in the top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderArmyy Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Oh come on. I know that Liverpool fans are in love with KD, but these KK tinted glasses are ridiculous. Dalglish didn't do OK. He did poorly. If all football fans voted, Liverpool would be voted laughing stock of the season ahead of any other team. Yes, they won the Carling Cup, but you can't use that as an excuse that he did OK, surely? Liverpool finished 4 points behind Everton and only won 6 of 18 games at fortress Anfield. Furthermore he backed a racist when nothing other than chastisement was acceptable. If this wasn't Kenny Dalglish, he would have been sacked a long while ago. (I still can't get over the woodwork comments tho!) I'll have you know they won the carling cup against cardiff on penalties.. have some respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BITW Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 I think this season the performances haven't always matched up with the results for Liverpool. They've hit the woodwork 21 times this season : No. Player Opponents Woodwork Hit 1 Stewart Downing Sunderland Crossbar 2 Martin Kelly Arsenal Post 3 Andy Carroll Wolves Post 4 Charlie Adam Everton Crossbar 5 Dirk Kuyt Everton Post 6 Martin Skrtel Norwich Crossbar 7 Luis Suarez Norwich Post 8 Luis Suarez Norwich Post 9 Stewart Downing West Brom Post 10 Andy Carroll Swansea Post 11 Jordan Henderson Fulham Post 12 Stewart Downing Fulham Crossbar 13 Maxi Rodriguez QPR Post 14 Shaun Wright-Phillips QPR Crossbar 15 Luis Suarez Aston Villa Crossbar 16 Luis Suarez Aston Villa Post 17 Andy Carroll Blackburn Post 18 Andy Carroll Newcastle Crossbar 19 Daniel Agger Bolton Crossbar 20 Luis Suarez Arsenal Post 21 Dirk Kuyt Arsenal Post Now, You add 21 goals to the teams tally and it doesn't make such sorry reading. I know of course that hitting the woodwork isn't even a shot on target, but to do so 21 times in a season (up until the arsenal game, I'm not sure if they've done it since?) is surely classed as unlucky? Dalglish has got the team playing some expansive and attacking football and is missing the end product in the team, it's for that reason that many Liverpool fans think they're not as far as is being made out from being capable of getting back into the top 4. You need to get out more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Didn't they get annihilated in the FA Cup final? I'm sorry to inform you that our beloved City did just as well in the FA Cup as Liverpool did. "Getting to the final" just doesn't cut it. You either win it, or you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 I'll have you know they won the carling cup against cardiff on penalties.. have some respect. And the end of season the trophy winners are.... Man City League Champions Chelsea FA Cup Winners Liverpool League Cup Winners How they won them has no relevance, all that matters is what you win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 And anyway, Sky Sports News stats show that Liverpool hit the woodwork 33 times, not 21. So just imagine if they had 33 more goals. If you got to pick and choose where the goals went, i strongly suspect that Liverpool would have won every single game. Better than the Arsenal's Invincibles of 2003/04. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderArmyy Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 And the end of season the trophy winners are.... Man City League Champions Chelsea FA Cup Winners Liverpool League Cup Winners How they won them has no relevance, all that matters is what you win. m man utd community shield.. just as big as winning the carling cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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