Dolman Block B Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-18804137 Just beggars belief after all the shite we have had to go through theirs could be a stroll in the park Thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 In that case good luck to them. We need stiff competition to do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk...ristol-18804137 Just beggars belief after all the shite we have had to go through theirs could be a stroll in the park Thoughts It wasn't the planning part that was a massive problem for us. The stadium was minded to approve without much trouble. I still think they have a stiffer job with the Sainsburys application that we had with ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tower crane red Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 a village green needed @ uwe for the educated idiots and gypos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 The planning is the easy part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Albert Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 On the subject of stadiums, what's the latest news with ours? I have to admit, I am completely lost now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 On a serious note how are Rovers funding this so they move debt free to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeble Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 On a serious note how are Rovers funding this so they move debt free to it? By selling the Memorial Stadium to Sainsbury's appears to be the main way. The submerged bowl design (rather like Ashton Vale) apparently significantly reduces the build costs. As for how this manages to pay for the stadium and clear the debts is anyone's guess. If the figure I saw of £28m from the supermarket people is roughly correct, that might be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 On a serious note how are Rovers funding this so they move debt free to it? Without meaning to shyt stir, local authorities usually ask for a financial plan to go with an application, many a fine project have failed on financial grounds leaving unfinnished structures as blots on the landscape. This one is a little sketchy to say the least. Who is paying for the stadium build? The UWE is providing the land in exchange for the use of some teaching rooms and the car park, Sainsbury's will provide some funding assuming they get permission, say £15m. So who pays the other £30m plus ? This question has been asked on the site of the gypsies, and those who appear to be in the know won't let on for some reason, in fact, they claim that nobody will find out from anyone on that site, where the finance is coming from, which only raises more questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 By selling the Memorial Stadium to Sainsbury's appears to be the main way. The submerged bowl design (rather like Ashton Vale) apparently significantly reduces the build costs. As for how this manages to pay for the stadium and clear the debts is anyone's guess. If the figure I saw of £28m from the supermarket people is roughly correct, that might be enough. Where did you see the figure of £28m? We are only getting £20m for our site, which allows Sainsbury's to build a supermarket, possibly three times larger than that planned at Horfield, I know there is some housing planned for the site but it surely isn't worth as much as AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeble Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Without meaning to shyt stir, local authorities usually ask for a financial plan to go with an application, many a fine project have failed on financial grounds leaving unfinnished structures as blots on the landscape. This one is a little sketchy to say the least. Who is paying for the stadium build? The UWE is providing the land in exchange for the use of some teaching rooms and the car park, Sainsbury's will provide some funding assuming they get permission, say £15m. So who pays the other £30m plus ? This question has been asked on the site of the gypsies, and those who appear to be in the know won't let on for some reason, in fact, they claim that nobody will find out from anyone on that site, where the finance is coming from, which only raises more questions. UWE are providing the land on a 125 year commercial lease and are paying for the car park as they need to replace one of their own. UWE will be leasing the teaching space. This is what Nick Higgs did for a living and he seems very confident, so the numbers must stack up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeble Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Where did you see the figure of £28m? We are only getting £20m for our site, which allows Sainsbury's to build a supermarket, possibly three times larger than that planned at Horfield, I know there is some housing planned for the site but it surely isn't worth as much as AG. The sites aren't much different in size and the catchment area of the Horfield site may have more spending power.Also the figure off a website might be completely wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 The sites aren't much different in size and the catchment area of the Horfield site may have more spending power.Also the figure off a website might be completely wrong! The sites might not be much different in size but, the store planned for AG is on two levels and the catchment area covers 20 minutes by car which covers most affluent areas, so the figure of £28m must refer to the amount they would still require if, and it's a big if, they got £20m for the Memorial stadium site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeble Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 The sites might not be much different in size but, the store planned for AG is on two levels and the catchment area covers 20 minutes by car which covers most affluent areas, so the figure of £28m must refer to the amount they would still require if, and it's a big if, they got £20m for the Memorial stadium site. Sainsbury's already had a supermarket covering the Ashton area. They only have convenience type stores around Glos. Rd. This gives them a chance to tap into the affluent BS7 area and may be worth a premium to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 In that case good luck to them. We need stiff competition to do better. Either don't understand or don't agree with most of your posts but on this occasion right with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted July 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 In that case good luck to them. We need stiff competition to do better. It's not a case of stiff competition If Rovers get their new stadium built before us it could attract a lot of local businesses that otherwise may have come over to us Quite simply it could be disastrous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox6060 Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Won't happen IMO the Sainsbury App will get refused and the project will collapse until there is a different proposal for the Mem site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted July 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Won't happen IMO the Sainsbury App will get refused and the project will collapse until there is a different proposal for the Mem site Don't you believe it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Sainsbury's already had a supermarket covering the Ashton area. They only have convenience type stores around Glos. Rd. This gives them a chance to tap into the affluent BS7 area and may be worth a premium to them. I don't believe they will pay massively over the odds just to have an influence in the area, it has to stack up on turnover and the return on their investment. They do already have a store in Ashton, the new site gives them a bigger store and a better location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loderingo Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 At least if they get their new stadium we will be able to resurrect an old chant. There's only one team in Bristol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted July 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 On a serious note how are Rovers funding this so they move debt free to it? A fair bit from UWE themselves Tom. At the end of the day the deal suits them as well because so much student accomadation is being built at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Higgs has pulled off a bit of a masterstroke on this one if it comes off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 It's not a case of stiff competition If Rovers get their new stadium built before us it could attract a lot of local businesses that otherwise may have come over to us Quite simply it could be disastrous If the gash get it right over the next few years there's no doubt they have Championship potential. At the Mem there's no way they could sustain C'ship football but with a ground holding 21,700 it's certainly possible. Gotta give it to Higgs UWE is a smart move. The Sainsburys application certainly isn't in the bag though and I can foresee a protracted planning process for that one, with the application possibly going to appeal at the very least. There's also the possibility of a legal challenge from Tesco which could again last some time. The application for the stadium will be approved at Committee next week, no doubt about that. There's a wider issue as well that north Bristol, specifically South Glos, is growing much faster than South Bristol. Cribbs Causeway is set to become a regional centre for retail and Filton airfield is getting 4,000 new homes. Another gash area Yate is getting thousands of new homes and is 10 mins on the train from Parkway. Transport links are also going to get a cash injection. So the gash could have a big old catchment area on their doorstep in the next 5 years and if they get their stadium and progress up the leagues then we could have some real competition from them in the next few years. Still plenty of if's and but's mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 A fair bit from UWE themselves Tom. At the end of the day the deal suits them as well because so much student accomadation is being built at the same time UWE are skint, they're just giving the gash the land nothing else. UWE are getting very little out of this financially. They get use of the stadium facilities such as bars, conference rooms but apparently even revenue from the student bars will be going to the gash. Very clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 A fair bit from UWE themselves Tom. At the end of the day the deal suits them as well because so much student accomadation is being built at the same time No accomodation is being built as part of the project, they might have some sponsorship wth naming rights though. That still doesn't explain where the majority of the stadium build costs are coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DancinDannyD Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 If the gash get it right over the next few years there's no doubt they have Championship potential. At the Mem there's no way they could sustain C'ship football but with a ground holding 21,700 it's certainly possible. Gotta give it to Higgs UWE is a smart move. The Sainsburys application certainly isn't in the bag though and I can foresee a protracted planning process for that one, with the application possibly going to appeal at the very least. There's also the possibility of a legal challenge from Tesco which could again last some time. The application for the stadium will be approved at Committee next week, no doubt about that. There's a wider issue as well that north Bristol, specifically South Glos, is growing much faster than South Bristol. Cribbs Causeway is set to become a regional centre for retail and Filton airfield is getting 4,000 new homes. Another gash area Yate is getting thousands of new homes and is 10 mins on the train from Parkway. Transport links are also going to get a cash injection. So the gash could have a big old catchment area on their doorstep in the next 5 years and if they get their stadium and progress up the leagues then we could have some real competition from them in the next few years. Still plenty of if's and but's mind... All very good points. Too many people think that as the Gas aren't a credible threat now, they can't be in the future. If the UWE & Sainsbury's goes ahead and the funding is indeed all legitmate they could be a very credible threat in 5 or 6 years time. I can't think of many grounds in the country that have better transport links, M4, M5, M32 very close, literally just off the Ring Road, excellent bus links and Parkway and Filton Abbeywood train stations within easy walking distance. With plenty of new homes being built as you say, they have a large catchment area and very easy to get to compared with the Vale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 All very good points. Too many people think that as the Gas aren't a credible threat now, they can't be in the future. If the UWE & Sainsbury's goes ahead and the funding is indeed all legitmate they could be a very credible threat in 5 or 6 years time. I can't think of many grounds in the country that have better transport links, M4, M5, M32 very close, literally just off the Ring Road, excellent bus links and Parkway and Filton Abbeywood train stations within easy walking distance. With plenty of new homes being built as you say, they have a large catchment area and very easy to get to compared with the Vale. I dont think moving from a densely populated area were thousands of people can walk to the ground from within there natural catchment area to a ground were every single attendy needs some sort of transport to get to it is an ideal situation. Ashton vale is 500 metres from the existing location still within a densely populated area and good transport links, such as parson street station, a370, a4, and a38. Plus new link road, new brt, and reopened ashton gate station. Parson street station is 1.25 miles walking. Abbeywood and parkway are both 1.5 miles walking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire Dastardly Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk...ristol-18804137 Just beggars belief after all the shite we have had to go through theirs could be a stroll in the park Thoughts Enjoyed reading this article simply for the final sentence. Just imagining Rovers' first kick about there and being instructed by their trainer. "This is the ball and that is a hedgehog. Spot the difference?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolBEAT Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 It is a "Walk in the Park" because South Gloucestershire Council are Pro Development and are not complete and utter backwards *beep* like BCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Bells left foot Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 There's a wider issue as well that north Bristol, specifically South Glos, is growing much faster than South Bristol. Cribbs Causeway is set to become a regional centre for retail and Filton airfield is getting 4,000 new homes. Another gash area Yate is getting thousands of new homes and is 10 mins on the train from Parkway. Transport links are also going to get a cash injection. So the gash could have a big old catchment area on their doorstep in the next 5 years and if they get their stadium and progress up the leagues then we could have some real competition from them in the next few years. Still plenty of if's and but's mind... I live in Yate and yes there are thousands of houses planned, but there is a lot of opposition to them because amenities and transport is not getting improved so don't expect any new houses to built here for gasheads for a good few years. Also a lot of 'gasheads' that i know of don't really support they are all prem followers, or simply don't go because rovers are awful. Prob close in terms of numbers between city and gas out here. I can't think of many grounds in the country that have better transport links, M4, M5, M32 very close, literally just off the Ring Road, excellent bus links and Parkway and Filton Abbeywood train stations within easy walking distance. With plenty of new homes being built as you say, they have a large catchment area and very easy to get to compared with the Vale. Every tried driving round that area during rush hour its bedlam average speed of 5mph tops i would say, evening games would be horrendous UWE, MOD, AXA etc all leaving uni/work an hour or two before a game will clog up the already grid locked ring road. This all said i think they will get the new stadium, simply because not many nimby's about from what i can see and south glos council are all for looking at improvements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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