Admin Ian M Posted August 4, 2012 Admin Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Nick Hunt and Steve Coppell Well, on paper he was better than what we had... We actually had Noblot & Derby fans warning us he was shite, I don't think Celtic fans think so poorly of Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Point is we have a number who can and have played at this level at right back, and can continue to do so as well as a few with potential. For all the stick that other managers have got for over loading positions, It seems that people are now okay with unbalancing the squad after seasons of screaming that we have an unbalanced squad and needs balancing. No doubt as said we will probably sign him, but the change in mind set, with people being okay with us signing or potentially signing players in positions where we have tonnes of cover is baffling to say the least. Not with any success. I don't want centre halves covering at full back, it's been a massive weakness of ours on both sides season after season. And there's no unbalancing of the squad going on. We absolutely needed a left back, have since we got promoted, and we signed one. We needed a central midfielder to run the game and Morris may be just that. We got in a player in Anderson who prefers the left wing, another very weak point since McIndoe left. We got a keeper that pretty much everyone except yourself agrees was definitely needed. We are still on the lookout for two or three others. There's nothing to complain about, so why would you expect fans to complain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 On those grounds then shouldnt we also be worrying about signing another specialist LB. or are you happy with Cunningham, Edwards, Foster, Fontaine and Nyatanga being able to play there? Cunningham with Edwards as backup for left back is fine. Nyatanga is poo, Fontaine barely capable at left back as a stand in and Foster is wrong footed there. On the right, Wilson with Foster as backup would also be fine. Pretending other players who've been pretty consistently poor when covering there should be factors doesn't make much sense to me. 22 man squad with two specialists per position and 6 or so good youngsters is ideal, and we're not far off that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tins Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Cunningham with Edwards as backup for left back is fine. Nyatanga is poo, Fontaine barely capable at left back as a stand in and Foster is wrong footed there. On the right, Wilson with Foster as backup would also be fine. Pretending other players who've been pretty consistently poor when covering there should be factors doesn't make much sense to me. 22 man squad with two specialists per position and 6 or so good youngsters is ideal, and we're not far off that. Edwards is wrong footed there too, however Foster has played there before, Nyatanga isn't too bad there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Edwards is wrong footed there too, however Foster has played there before, Nyatanga isn't too bad there. Edwards looked both footed to me, whereas Nyatanga looked neither I have my doubts about Foster on either side tbh but he's versatile backup at least and he did well today when he came on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tins Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Edwards looked both footed to me, whereas Nyatanga looked neither I have my doubts about Foster on either side tbh but he's versatile backup at least and he did well today when he came on. Edwards is very much right footed. I saw him on loan at Stockport and wasn't too impressed, but got rave reviews at Yeovil. Would prefer Foster cause his pace can make up for his wrong foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Great Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Edwards looked both footed to me, whereas Nyatanga looked neither I have my doubts about Foster on either side tbh but he's versatile backup at least and he did well today when he came on. Seems to me like young Joe Bryan is being groomed as Cunningham's backup at LB, with Foster and Edwards as right back options. Wilson today looked a different level though and I'd be really happy if Del can sign him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Edwards is very much right footed. I saw him on loan at Stockport and wasn't too impressed, but got rave reviews at Yeovil. Would prefer Foster cause his pace can make up for his wrong foot. Joe did indeed get rave reviews at Yeovil, but as a midfield player, where he played on the recent Scottish tour. Think this is where Del thinks his future is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberporthbcfc Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 We can be. You on the wacky backy!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Yet, we have a utility player who hasnt really got a main position there (RB) at present in Foster. As for unbalanced we have replaced players that have left by and large, We have added another Left Winger, taking the number who can play there to a huge level (Woolford, Bolassie, Anderson, Bryan and Pearson) the possibility of another Rightback to add to the 5 ish who can play there, so you dont rate them, seems that management thinks they have been capable in the past. We then have signed 1 LB, which is great not to have a loanee, you could argue that he replaces McAllister, but when you have people going on about the 2 for a position rule, it appears fine to have back ups in the same manner as RB, but not subject to the same kind of frenzied speculation when we only have 1 'specialist one' Morris replaces Cisse, and looking at it from another view in so much that he clearly likes to dive in, and given our horrendous amount of suspensions last seasons through Red's. How long will that last? Heaton replaces James. So looking at it, how does that address the 'problem's that we have had with unbalancing? Clearly McInnes likes his utility players and we have players who can play all over the pitch, but not always in a specialist position. We are still in need of this 'mythical' Central Midfielder which will take the number of centre mids up to at least 6 and then a commanding CB who will take the number of CB's up to at least 5 We have again got a glut of players already in areas where there have been problems and may or maynot be resolved and dont have them in areas that we are meant to have solved. So yes, it is still unbalanced With match day squads increasing to 18, us currently having a squad of only 26 or so and as said increased problems with injuries and suspensions then yes, we are looking a bit thin on the ground and still unbalanced However if that's all bright and rosy for you then yippee and stuff. Personally, I dont think we have solved the ills, and have been largely just replacing what has been lost rather than pushing on, but that is just me Foster is a utility player in that he can cover a lot but his only real specialism is right back IMO. Like I said, I'm not entirely convinced by him, the propensity to go long is still too high. He's a far better option there than any of your "can do a job" list though. Again, the long list of players you mention as left wingers is quite exaggerated. Bolasie isn't a left winger. Woolford is more of a left midfielder who has been indifferent at best. Bryan is one of the development squad. Pearson is clearly not a left winger, just a heavily left footed central midfielder. If we end up with Anderson and Woolford as his backup, that seems reasonable to me. There's just a _massive_ difference between "can play there if we're stuck" and actually being a specialist in a position. Anybody who's watched us regularly can see that, but you just don't acknowledge it. Have you really not noticed that the left side has been a gaping chasm down which we've conceded countless goals and score precisely **** all since McIndoe left and McAllister got old? Or that we've had a real difficulty finding a good pair in the middle of the park? Morris didn't look like Cisse to me btw, he looked like a midfield general who could pass and create as well. He tackled and he got forward and he was influential even in a short time. More like Hartley IMO and may for this season at least be a good answer alongside Skuse and/or Pearson. I am not convinced we need another central midfielder. At the very least I think we should lose a couple first and if that lets us bring in someone with a bit of flair that's fine but I don't think it's a priority. We are neither thin on the ground nor unbalanced any more. What we do have is a few players we could do with moving on but will have trouble shifting, and a couple we could do with recruiting. The manager's identified the correct gaps and has addressed some of them and we know he is trying to sign players in the others, and has the funds available to do it within reason. Indications are that he won't sign Wilson until he's got those other positions in the bag - what's wrong with that? It just seems to me that if you try hard enough you can turn anything into a criticism. We're in better shape in terms of balance than we have been for several years. Quality remains to be seen but I've no complaints about any of our signings this summer on that front, though it is early days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 My view on what McInnes has said about RB not being a priority, and Wilson just needing somewhere to train is threefold: Firstly, we signed Foster and it is hard to justify the wages of another right-back with the board. Secondly, Del knows that Wilson will join a 'bigger' club given the chance. Thirdly, We can't be in a position where Wilson can make wage demands. If we are too keen, he has a better position for negotiation, particularly if other clubs show interest. I think Del sees this as a great signing that is hard to justify, but if he can get a quality player on reasonable wages, he might just be able to make it happen. This would mean Foster could find himself being in the unenviable position of versatile back-up player (was it Brian Wilson who suffered in a similar way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted August 5, 2012 Admin Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I have a challenge for you "RalphMilnesLeftFoot". Your posts suggest that you are of the opinion that we will do as badly (or worse) than last season whilst I and others believe we are set to do better. How about we engage in a little bet over the course of the season? At the season's end, if we do indeed do worse than last season, for every point less than 2011/12's tally I will donate a pound to a charity of your choice but if we improve on last season, for every point we exceed 2011/12's tally by you donate a pound to a charity of my choice? What do you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 RMLF and DM - It's like Robbored and GJ all over again..... If you want to find problems, you will, as with pretty much anything in life. If your biggest issue is the balance of the squad (Which McInnes has not yet finished assembling BTW), then he must be doing okay because you will always look for problems - even if they aren't really there. You were moaning the other day because you had been told that Anderson was a right winger. He came out and said he prefers the left and now you aren't happy because we have too many left wingers!!! Unbelievable Jeff.... If you are on one massive wind-up then fair play to you because I genuinely can't tell if your posts are serious or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I have a challenge for you "RalphMilnesLeftFoot". Your posts suggest that you are of the opinion that we will do as badly (or worse) than last season whilst I and others believe we are set to do better. How about we engage in a little bet over the course of the season? At the season's end, if we do indeed do worse than last season, for every point less than 2011/12's tally I will donate a pound to a charity of your choice but if we improve on last season, for every point we exceed 2011/12's tally by you donate a pound to a charity of my choice? What do you say? Ooohhh tasty, if he is to put his money where his mouth his then surely this is too good an offer to refuse? Edit - fair enough, I've seen your post above!! Maybe you can agree to go a whole month without a moan or something instead!! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 Ok Woodsy, Im not arguing with you, thanks now I understand. For sure the win and the club is more important. We are all City fans in here, we have different wievs of things, thank god. Imagine if every fan had the same opinion, it should be very boring. Anyway nice to see Wolly scored again, the few games I have seen he played, he got the potential to be a good player this season. Hope Im right and that we can do a mutch better season this one. My vibes are good, DM and the club Imo are in the right direction. No panic signs and no money for nothting as Dire Straits sung. Looking forward, COYR. Good man Garland! Definitely a better season on the cards, DMc continues to impress me COYR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted August 5, 2012 Admin Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I say no, for a myriad of reasons, some of which I'd rather not discuss in public, PM me if you want to know more. However I will say that, I've just got back to work after 5 years out with severe back problems and am completely and utterly flat broke, that it's something I cant afford to realistically partake in, even if it is for charity. Sorry Thats fair enough, maybe others could suggest a forfeit based on the same terms. Perhaps a forum name change such as "DMacsBiggestFan" if we beat last season's tally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 Think there is a bit of over analysis going on here. Our squad is trimmer than last season and, I'd tentatively suggest, looks to have a little more quality in it too. If money allows once Del and Doc have strengthened in areas they are obviously looking at there would be nothing wrong with adding Wilson. I have just moved back to sunny England after 5 years in Glasgow, and watched a fair amount of football there. From what I've see I safely can say that Wilson is a very decent player, and has more than once been linked with moves to our level or higher. He might have missed that boat before due to his loyalty to Celtic and injuries, but if he is fit and on reasonable money he could be a very good player for us. I know little about Edwards' preparedness for the rigours of a Championship campaign, and I think it can be agreed that the jury is likely still out on if Foster will come good (though I thought from what I saw tail end of last campaign he was an upgrade on what we had). But I can say that Wilson would certainly improve the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 Taken from the Oxford dictionary: Definition of moan 1 long, low sound made by a person expressing physical or mental suffering or sexual pleasure 2 informal a complaint which is perceived as trivial and not taken seriously by others I was applying the 2nd one to you, but the first may also apply. Perhaps "Moan" was too strong a word? It's hard to tell through a forum!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 Foster is a utility player in that he can cover a lot but his only real specialism is right back IMO. Like I said, I'm not entirely convinced by him, the propensity to go long is still too high. He's a far better option there than any of your "can do a job" list though. Again, the long list of players you mention as left wingers is quite exaggerated. Bolasie isn't a left winger. Woolford is more of a left midfielder who has been indifferent at best. Bryan is one of the development squad. Pearson is clearly not a left winger, just a heavily left footed central midfielder. If we end up with Anderson and Woolford as his backup, that seems reasonable to me. There's just a _massive_ difference between "can play there if we're stuck" and actually being a specialist in a position. Anybody who's watched us regularly can see that, but you just don't acknowledge it. Have you really not noticed that the left side has been a gaping chasm down which we've conceded countless goals and score precisely **** all since McIndoe left and McAllister got old? Or that we've had a real difficulty finding a good pair in the middle of the park? Morris didn't look like Cisse to me btw, he looked like a midfield general who could pass and create as well. He tackled and he got forward and he was influential even in a short time. More like Hartley IMO and may for this season at least be a good answer alongside Skuse and/or Pearson. I am not convinced we need another central midfielder. At the very least I think we should lose a couple first and if that lets us bring in someone with a bit of flair that's fine but I don't think it's a priority. We are neither thin on the ground nor unbalanced any more. What we do have is a few players we could do with moving on but will have trouble shifting, and a couple we could do with recruiting. The manager's identified the correct gaps and has addressed some of them and we know he is trying to sign players in the others, and has the funds available to do it within reason. Indications are that he won't sign Wilson until he's got those other positions in the bag - what's wrong with that? It just seems to me that if you try hard enough you can turn anything into a criticism. We're in better shape in terms of balance than we have been for several years. Quality remains to be seen but I've no complaints about any of our signings this summer on that front, though it is early days. Can't argue with a word of that. Thing is, despite the protesting otherwise the relentless negativity of RMLF's posts, plus sarcastic comments like "However if that's all bright and rosy for you then yippee and stuff. " is why I put him on ignore ages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashtonvale Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 Can't argue with a word of that. Thing is, despite the protesting otherwise the relentless negativity of RMLF's posts, plus sarcastic comments like "However if that's all bright and rosy for you then yippee and stuff. " is why I put him on ignore ages ago. The trouble with the ignore function is that you still have to read the b******s that he writes, whenever anyone replies, to his ever increasingly negative posts. I did for a while think he was a 'lurker'. I don't think that is actually the case, I just think he is on a massive wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltonmowbrayred Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 This Bloke lives in Sweden what does he know about Bristol city? Probably a lot more than you. What do you know about Bristol City? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Reynolds Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 RMLF isn't a City supporter, simple as that. He doesnt support one single aspect of the club, so whilst he may well have attended a few games (which I also doubt) he is not a City fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderincornwall Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 RMLF isn't a City supporter, simple as that. He doesnt support one single aspect of the club, so whilst he may well have attended a few games (which I also doubt) he is not a City fan. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex#40 Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 RMLF isn't a City supporter, simple as that. He doesnt support one single aspect of the club, so whilst he may well have attended a few games (which I also doubt) he is not a City fan. That seems to be 100% spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Bristol-City_ Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 RMLF isn't a City supporter, simple as that. He doesnt support one single aspect of the club, so whilst he may well have attended a few games (which I also doubt) he is not a City fan. Brilliant post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Reynolds Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 Wow, seemed to have stepped in to a conspiracy theorists forum in error. Shortage of tin foil or something? Unbelievable And this response shows that you're revelling in being a forum 'somebody'. Enjoy your notoriety, I just don't have time for such relentless negativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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