Rvp To United

[herman]

i know, i know, "its not city"...but could the most boring transfer saga of the summer finally be over?

24m deal agreed, waiting on personal terms

rumour has it, after RVPs agent collects his fee, arsenal will receive around £7.50

[Lewisdabaron]

who gives a flying ****???

[screech]

i know, i know, "its not city"...but could the most boring transfer saga of the summer finally be over?

24m deal agreed, waiting on personal terms

rumour has it, after RVPs agent collects his fee, arsenal will receive around £7.50

Just on the agent point, why is it that the clubs pay out for the agents fees, surely they are employed by the players and therefore the consultancy fees should be their responsibility?

[Super]

Oh well that's another one we can cross off the list!!

[funky monkey]

Oh well that's another one we can cross off the list!!

I doubt he was ever on it with his injury record

[CiderHider]

Good move for all concerned, he's too good for Arsenal, deserves to be in a team capable of winning things.

[The Batman]

stolen from twitter

Robin Van Persie's north London apartment is on fire. Police suspect Arsene

[Guest]

It's not Piers Morgan's day. First he was proved wrong about KP and now RVP has jumped ship.

If things come in three I'm hoping a warrant for his arrest is put out by Scotland Yard.

[Nibor]

Ferguson's mental paying that sort of money for him when he's available on a free next summer and so injury prone. What happened to Berbatov being the last big money player in their late twenties he'd sign?

[marcofisher]

Oh well that's another one we can cross off the list!!

Saha gone to Sunderland aswell! C'mon Del pull your finger out!

[Super]

Saha gone to Sunderland aswell! C'mon Del pull your finger out!

Owen is still available!!

[CiderHider]

Ferguson's mental paying that sort of money for him when he's available on a free next summer and so injury prone. What happened to Berbatov being the last big money player in their late twenties he'd sign?

Could backfire, but only if he gets injured, or he could stay fit and destroy the competition for the next few years.

I tell you what though, Rooney, RVP up front with little pea darting about everywhere around them...could be very tasty indeed.

Also the qdos, Man City are pissed as he picked Utd, Arsenal fans with be butthurt for many many months, not to mention missing a very important player to a rival so close to the new season, Arsenal would have probably matched what Utd are paying him but is was not enough, and that'll hurt Wenger.

There are winners everywhere!

[WolfOfWestStreet]

God plastic mancs get everywhere

[havanatopia]

Sad to see RVP go if, as seems likely, he does especially since The Arsenal have spent big this close season and could have been a real force. They still might but cannot see beyond the Mancs clubs, yet again.

[Barrs Court Red]

Man u panic buying a one season wonder. I hope they finish outside the top four, this would humour me.

[Super]

I was thinking Welbeck will be pissed off but just saw he has signed a new deal 75k a week, so he probably isn't bothered.

[internetjef]

Still wont be enough to win the league back if they dont address central midfield

they already had a boat load of forward options

[CiderHider]

Still wont be enough to win the league back if they dont address central midfield

they already had a boat load of forward options

Would not be surprised to see Rooney play a more central role this season, he can't help himself playing that position so why not see how he operates there, would need permanent cover, and like you say, with a lot of forward options and lack of central players he may have to!

[Nibor]

Could backfire, but only if he gets injured, or he could stay fit and destroy the competition for the next few years.

I tell you what though, Rooney, RVP up front with little pea darting about everywhere around them...could be very tasty indeed.

Also the qdos, Man City are pissed as he picked Utd, Arsenal fans with be butthurt for many many months, not to mention missing a very important player to a rival so close to the new season, Arsenal would have probably matched what Utd are paying him but is was not enough, and that'll hurt Wenger.

There are winners everywhere!

Man City don't need him, they have four better strikers. Arsene will be happy he got a decent price and probably find another three or four youngsters to sell on in five years time for that money.

Man U just bought an expensive toy for the physio team to practise on while they concentrate on plugging the gaping hole in midfield and stumbling into third.

[ChrisBCFC]

Man City don't need him, they have four better strikers. Arsene will be happy he got a decent price and probably find another three or four youngsters to sell on in five years time for that money.

Man U just bought an expensive toy for the physio team to practise on while they concentrate on plugging the gaping hole in midfield and stumbling into third.

the same Man United who finished 2nd on goal difference?

[Fordy62]

Man City don't need him, they have four better strikers. Arsene will be happy he got a decent price and probably find another three or four youngsters to sell on in five years time for that money.

Man U just bought an expensive toy for the physio team to practise on while they concentrate on plugging the gaping hole in midfield and stumbling into third.

If you can name 4 better strikers that Man City have AND have someone on this forum agree with you then I'll concede this argument.

Bollocks.

[Cunnyfunt]

Man City don't need him, they have four better strikers. Arsene will be happy he got a decent price and probably find another three or four youngsters to sell on in five years time for that money.

Man U just bought an expensive toy for the physio team to practise on while they concentrate on plugging the gaping hole in midfield and stumbling into third.

I can not believe you have just stated Edin Ddzeko is a better striker than RVP.

[Nibor]

I can not believe you have just stated Edin Ddzeko is a better striker than RVP.

Well perhaps a little exaggerated but the other three definitely are. Dzeko's more of a centre forward than a striker but I think all he's lacking is time on the pitch. His strike rate's excellent for a line leader. IMO RVP is overrated, he's had one and a half good seasons in eight at Arsenal.

[Nibor]

the same Man United who finished 2nd on goal difference?

How many games do you think Vidic and Ferdinand have in them before they join RVP for a long stint in the treatment room? Can Scholes and Giggs carry the rest of them while drawing a pension?

I don't think Man U have bought well, I think Chelsea have. Their midfield will be immense, and it wouldn't surprise me to see them sign a top striker as well. Man City don't need anybody, they'll improve even more just by having that team stay together.

We'll see.

[marcofisher]

Personally I dont think Chelsea have been that good in strengthening the middle, the wings yes, I see Oscar flopping massively especially after being bought for 25 million, dont see why they didnt spend an extra 10 million to get Ganso!

[Fordy62]

Well perhaps a little exaggerated but the other three definitely are. Dzeko's more of a centre forward than a striker but I think all he's lacking is time on the pitch. His strike rate's excellent for a line leader. IMO RVP is overrated, he's had one and a half good seasons in eight at Arsenal.

Balotelli isn't better. Tevez isn't better. Aguero is on par.

[arrytheb]

I think utd have brought very well. Kagawa or whatever his name is looks a great player and RVP is a great striker. Overrated? He scored 30 in 38 league matches last season.

Aguero is better, tevez is equal but tat is it when talking of strikers.

Vidic has had 1 big injury i believe so I dont think theyll worry about him and didnt it ome out tat ferdinand played the majority of utd games last season? Although i do agree that he'll prob miss alot this season.

Chelsea have brought 2 very good players but both are a bit of a risk imoas coming from much poorer leagues, although I think they'll both do well.

I do agree its good business by arsenal as the have covered the cost of the 2 decent strikers they had already brought.

I still think city will win it again.

EDIT sorry for bad English but this bloody ipad is a pain in the bum!

[Fordy62]

Spurs to struggle.

[One Team In Keynsham]

I think utd have brought very well. Kagawa or whatever his name is looks a great player and RVP is a great striker. Overrated? He scored 30 in 38 league matches last season.

Aguero is better, tevez is equal but tat is it when talking of strikers.

Vidic has had 1 big injury i believe so I dont think theyll worry about him and didnt it ome out tat ferdinand played the majority of utd games last season? Although i do agree that he'll prob miss alot this season.

Chelsea have brought 2 very good players but both are a bit of a risk imoas coming from much poorer leagues, although I think they'll both do well.

I do agree its good business by arsenal as the have covered the cost of the 2 decent strikers they had already brought.

I still think city will win it again.

From what I saw of Kagawa (one pre-season game in Cape Town) he looks like a good purchase. A fit Van Persie is a very good option for them. A crocked Van Persie less so (and in that latter scenario, would make it great business for Arsenal). I would expect to see Rio playing less games, and assuming all fit, Smalling and Vidic to be the starting CBs.

Not so sure Man City will win it again: based on the fact that they needed the worst United side in living memory to do a Devon Loch in the run-in to even give them a chance going into the final game. And even then, they almost out-Cityed themselves v QPR before winning it on goal difference. But, as the last few minutes of last season showed, anything can happen.

[Nibor]

Balotelli isn't better. Tevez isn't better. Aguero is on par.

All opinions of course but in mine Aguero is miles better, Tevez is a lot better, Balotelli is slightly better. All three are still improving. RVP will only decline from here.

[havanatopia]

Man u panic buying a one season wonder. I hope they finish outside the top four, this would humour me.

Sadly I disagree wholeheartedly with the first sentence but the second would truly chuckle me bunions.

[Cunnyfunt]

Well perhaps a little exaggerated but the other three definitely are. Dzeko's more of a centre forward than a striker but I think all he's lacking is time on the pitch. His strike rate's excellent for a line leader. IMO RVP is overrated, he's had one and a half good seasons in eight at Arsenal.

I think RVP has always had the talent and when he has been fit for Arsenal he's looked the part, it's just the injuries have set him back massively. Judging on last season maybe is torrid injury history is behind him? Time will tell.

I think Kagawa is the signing of the summer for the price. Dortmund say they would of wanted in excess of 30m had he not had one year left on his contract as he was instrumental in them winning the bundesliga.

I Still think Citeh will pull out one or two more big signings.

[ChrisBCFC]

All opinions of course but in mine Aguero is miles better, Tevez is a lot better, Balotelli is slightly better. All three are still improving. RVP will only decline from here.

If Tevez was that good ManU would have signed him on.....they didnt.

For me Van Persie is better than the 3 of them, but wouldnt suprise me with time if Balotelli over took him in a few years.

[red84]

If Tevez was that good ManU would have signed him on.....they didnt.

For me Van Persie is better than the 3 of them, but wouldnt suprise me with time if Balotelli over took him in a few years.

Tevez rejected a new contract at man u not the other way round?

RVP had a poor euros and not a great pre season so I'm expecting a slow start at man u. Maybe not so good for welbecks chances, came on a lot (development wise) last season

[herman]

those of you questioning man united's midfield seem to be drastically underrating kagawa - saw him a lot playing for BVB last year and he is quality on his day.

with cleverley coming on as well as he is, and carrick still fairly solid (ish) i wouldn't be all that worried, though they clearly do still need a defensive midfield option

[phantom]

Don't worry the deal is off !

Just been reported that RVP faled his medical.

Apparently he has a mystery back complaint, his Dr confirmed that this was caused by carrying the rest of the Arsenal team for the last 4 years . . . ..

[Cunnyfunt]

is this forum not for city matters :/ i couldnt give a **** about united or rvp

Don't read the thread then... Simple.

[Nibor]

If Tevez was that good ManU would have signed him on.....they didnt.

Not for lack of trying?

For me Van Persie is better than the 3 of them, but wouldnt suprise me with time if Balotelli over took him in a few years.

Aguero scored more goals in his first Premier League season than RVP has in any except last season. His strike rate was better than two in three.

Tevez has 47 in 79 for Man City, better rate than RVP at Arsenal. Even Balotelli's rate is pretty much the same and he's not had a similar amount of opportunity.

[arrytheb]

Tevez, Aguero, Balotelli and Dzeko played for a much better team than Arsenal, hence more opportunities.

Balotelli scored 19 in 40, RVP scored 37 in 48, not sure that is similar. Balotelli had a 5 month spell when Tevez was playing golf so certainly had enough playing time to convince.

[Nibor]

Tevez, Aguero, Balotelli and Dzeko played for a much better team than Arsenal, hence more opportunities.

It's hardly like RVP has been slumming it for 8 years alongside the likes of Fabregas, Henry etc. They created a fair few chances.

Balotelli scored 19 in 40, RVP scored 37 in 48, not sure that is similar. Balotelli had a 5 month spell when Tevez was playing golf so certainly had enough playing time to convince.

What I meant by similar strike rates is that he's got 19 in 40 for City, RVP has 96 in 194 for Arsenal.

I think it highly unlikely RVP will ever score like he did last season again.

For me this is a Berbatov. Overpaying for a player who is only going to get worse. Time will tell.

[Steve Watts]

is this forum not for city matters :/ i couldnt give a **** about united or rvp

No. It isn't. It's a FOOTBALL chat forum. For someone who couldn't give a Castlemaine four x about Utd or RVP, you took the time to enter the thread and post on it. As someone else said... Don't like it? Don't read it. Simples.

As for the deal - I think this is an excellent purchase for Utd. When you compare this deal against £35m for Carroll and £50m for Torres, and the liklihood is that if he stays fit, then this season is likely to be when he really hits his prime, then the £24m outlay is a great deal for Utd, Arsenal and RvP.

[MichaelRobartes]

Newcastle United? Colchester United? Carlisle United?

I think Van Persie is one of the best players in the league, but it's a horrendous amount of money for a man who could have gone for nothing next year and with his injury record. Arsenal have done as well as they could have done out of it.

[BS10 RED]

I think great deal for Man u. RVP is a great player not as good as Aguero or Tevez but that's just my opinion. Dont think Man City are gonna stick with what they got so fancy them to buy a big name before the end of the transfer window. I think Arsenal will cope without him and stick fancy them to finish top 4.

1. Man City

2. Man U

3. Chelsea

4. Arsenal

5. Liverpool

6 Spurs

[downendcity]

Don't worry the deal is off !

Just been reported that RVP faled his medical.

Apparently he has a mystery back complaint, his Dr confirmed that this was caused by carrying the rest of the Arsenal team for the last 4 years . . . ..

12 months, perhaps.

4 years, no way.

[One Team In Keynsham]

It's hardly like RVP has been slumming it for 8 years alongside the likes of Fabregas, Henry etc. They created a fair few chances.

What I meant by similar strike rates is that he's got 19 in 40 for City, RVP has 96 in 194 for Arsenal.

I think it highly unlikely RVP will ever score like he did last season again.

For me this is a Berbatov. Overpaying for a player who is only going to get worse. Time will tell.

Albeit with a slightly difference class of player, each year for the last few years I have thought that Messi and Ronaldo would not beat the previous season's performances. You just never know.

As previously noted, I think the key to whether this proves good value for United or for Arsenal is Van Persie's own fitness: last season he was ever present, compared to 40ish games combined in the previous 2 seasons.

[Nibor]

Albeit with a slightly difference class of player, each year for the last few years I have thought that Messi and Ronaldo would not beat the previous season's performances. You just never know.

Messi and Ronaldo were younger though. It's a generalisation admittedly but players tend to improve up to 25/26, then plateau, then start to decline at about 30. The degrees vary obviously but strikers don't get better at RVPs age very often, and when they do it's because they change their game as rarities like Scholes and Sheringham did. That's why paying £24m and £200k a week for a 29 yr old is poor value IMO, a lesson I thought Fergie said he'd learned from Berbatov.

I reckon Messi will be an exception because so much of his game is technique and skill, but Ronaldo will decline fast as his pace drops.

[Steve Watts]

Messi and Ronaldo were younger though. It's a generalisation admittedly but players tend to improve up to 25/26, then plateau, then start to decline at about 30. The degrees vary obviously but strikers don't get better at RVPs age very often, and when they do it's because they change their game as rarities like Scholes and Sheringham did. That's why paying £24m and £200k a week for a 29 yr old is poor value IMO, a lesson I thought Fergie said he'd learned from Berbatov.

I reckon Messi will be an exception because so much of his game is technique and skill, but Ronaldo will decline fast as his pace drops.

I think RvP and Berbatov are completely different characters with completely different work ethics. The thing that Scholes and Sheringham had in common when it came to changing their games was Fergie. I would say that RvP would be far more adaptable than Berbatov, and if Fergie can work with him the way he worked with S&S then RvP could be an exceptional talent for a few years to come. Provided of course - as many others have said - he keeps his fitness.

[One Team In Keynsham]

Messi and Ronaldo were younger though. It's a generalisation admittedly but players tend to improve up to 25/26, then plateau, then start to decline at about 30. The degrees vary obviously but strikers don't get better at RVPs age very often, and when they do it's because they change their game as rarities like Scholes and Sheringham did. That's why paying £24m and £200k a week for a 29 yr old is poor value IMO, a lesson I thought Fergie said he'd learned from Berbatov.

I reckon Messi will be an exception because so much of his game is technique and skill, but Ronaldo will decline fast as his pace drops.

To be honest, I tend to agree with you on the value front, on the basis that there is no resale potential for van Persie.

It may pay-off for them with titles or the European Cups in the next couple of years, but just as possible that it ends up good business for Arsenal similar to offloading Overmars.

[Nibor]

I think RvP and Berbatov are completely different characters with completely different work ethics. The thing that Scholes and Sheringham had in common when it came to changing their games was Fergie. I would say that RvP would be far more adaptable than Berbatov, and if Fergie can work with him the way he worked with S&S then RvP could be an exceptional talent for a few years to come. Provided of course - as many others have said - he keeps his fitness.

I agree, but I'd say RVPs game is more likely to deteriorate as it was more based on pace and power. Berbatov is a more technical player and I think those types of players age better.

I don't think Fergie helped those players make the switch in styles so much by directly working with them, but more by giving them the opportunity. It will be interesting to see what happens.

[Bryans Left Peg]

All opinions of course but in mine Aguero is miles better, Tevez is a lot better, Balotelli is slightly better. All three are still improving. RVP will only decline from here.

Agree with this.. I think

[Nibor]

Well, there was one player on the pitch tonight who looked like he was worth £24m. It wasn't the one Fergie bought though.

Nor the winger he played at full back or the midfielder at centre half. Dementia thoroughly set in now?

[Maesknoll Red]

Well, there was one player on the pitch tonight who looked like he was worth £24m. It wasn't the one Fergie bought though.

Nor the winger he played at full back or the midfielder at centre half. Dementia thoroughly set in now?

It was just like watching City......... Where was a goal coming from?

[Northern Red]

Well, there was one player on the pitch tonight who looked like he was worth £24m. It wasn't the one Fergie bought though.

Nor the winger he played at full back or the midfielder at centre half. Dementia thoroughly set in now?

Carrick at centre half was needs must, I agree about Valencia though.

Fellaini is an absolute beast of a player, must be an absolute nightmare to play against. Does make you wonder why United spent £24m on a striker when they've needed a midfielder of his type for about 4 years though.

[MarcusX]

Well, there was one player on the pitch tonight who looked like he was worth £24m. It wasn't the one Fergie bought though.

Nor the winger he played at full back or the midfielder at centre half. Dementia thoroughly set in now?

Or an injury crisis... didnt have a lot of choice at the back. It was Carrick or Scott Wootton...

[_Bristol-City_]

Or an injury crisis... didnt have a lot of choice at the back. It was Carrick or Scott Wootton...

Berbatov too

[Garland-sweden]

RVP came in after 68min. Everton was the better team according to the Swedish press. Think Everton can make a good season. They usually start very poor.

[BCAGFC]

Thought this thread was entitled R.I.P United.....thought all my dreams had come true.

BCAGFC

[Nibor]

Or an injury crisis... didnt have a lot of choice at the back. It was Carrick or Scott Wootton...

Wootton - England youth international, 20yrs old, 6ft2, played 30+ league games. If you're not going to use a player like that in an injury crisis, why bother having him at all? He'd have competed better with Fellaini than Carrick did for that goal.

Valencia at full back with Rafael on the bench...

He's losing his grip finally!

[Cunnyfunt]

Wootton - England youth international, 20yrs old, 6ft2, played 30+ league games. If you're not going to use a player like that in an injury crisis, why bother having him at all? He'd have competed better with Fellaini than Carrick did for that goal.

Valencia at full back with Rafael on the bench...

He's losing his grip finally!

Regarding the goal, Vidic should have been on Fellani and not Carrick. It wasn't until after the goal this was addressed. I dont think Valencia and Carrick had to bad a game, considering.

[wayne allisons tongues]

Carrick is no cb, was at fault from set piece for Italy goal last week and at fault again last night. If I was a manager of any pl team would send ball in box where he is, he just can't mark always seems to be below the ball.

[Nibor]

Regarding the goal, Vidic should have been on Fellani and not Carrick. It wasn't until after the goal this was addressed. I dont think Valencia and Carrick had to bad a game, considering.

Certainly wasn't Carrick's fault, he didn't pick himself. Fellaini had a great game but would a real centre half have allowed him so much unchallenged ball just for dropping 10 yards deep? It was pretty inept from ManU, they could have snuffed out a lot of Everton's attacking play just by having someone challenge him and give him less time on the ball.

[MichaelRobartes]

Interesting that Ferguson moaned about Everton's route one approach. Sure Fellaini was dominant in the air, but I thought Everton played some nice football too and were by far the better side. They could really make waves if they get a good start, they are normally horrendous for the first 10 games or so before coming good.

[herman]

early indications certainly suggest that everton are better than liverpool this season, again