john shaws hair Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 i reckon its a decent deal compared to recent liverpool signings carol/henderson/downing 71million ad to that 15 million for allen, rvp is a bargin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Man u panic buying a one season wonder. I hope they finish outside the top four, this would humour me. Sadly I disagree wholeheartedly with the first sentence but the second would truly chuckle me bunions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 Well perhaps a little exaggerated but the other three definitely are. Dzeko's more of a centre forward than a striker but I think all he's lacking is time on the pitch. His strike rate's excellent for a line leader. IMO RVP is overrated, he's had one and a half good seasons in eight at Arsenal. I think RVP has always had the talent and when he has been fit for Arsenal he's looked the part, it's just the injuries have set him back massively. Judging on last season maybe is torrid injury history is behind him? Time will tell. I think Kagawa is the signing of the summer for the price. Dortmund say they would of wanted in excess of 30m had he not had one year left on his contract as he was instrumental in them winning the bundesliga. I Still think Citeh will pull out one or two more big signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBCFC Posted August 15, 2012 Report Share Posted August 15, 2012 All opinions of course but in mine Aguero is miles better, Tevez is a lot better, Balotelli is slightly better. All three are still improving. RVP will only decline from here. If Tevez was that good ManU would have signed him on.....they didnt. For me Van Persie is better than the 3 of them, but wouldnt suprise me with time if Balotelli over took him in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red84 Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 If Tevez was that good ManU would have signed him on.....they didnt. For me Van Persie is better than the 3 of them, but wouldnt suprise me with time if Balotelli over took him in a few years. Tevez rejected a new contract at man u not the other way round? RVP had a poor euros and not a great pre season so I'm expecting a slow start at man u. Maybe not so good for welbecks chances, came on a lot (development wise) last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herman Posted August 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 those of you questioning man united's midfield seem to be drastically underrating kagawa - saw him a lot playing for BVB last year and he is quality on his day. with cleverley coming on as well as he is, and carrick still fairly solid (ish) i wouldn't be all that worried, though they clearly do still need a defensive midfield option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouReds Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 is this forum not for city matters :/ i couldnt give a **** about united or rvp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 16, 2012 Admin Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Don't worry the deal is off ! Just been reported that RVP faled his medical. Apparently he has a mystery back complaint, his Dr confirmed that this was caused by carrying the rest of the Arsenal team for the last 4 years . . . .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 is this forum not for city matters :/ i couldnt give a **** about united or rvp Don't read the thread then... Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 If Tevez was that good ManU would have signed him on.....they didnt. Not for lack of trying? For me Van Persie is better than the 3 of them, but wouldnt suprise me with time if Balotelli over took him in a few years. Aguero scored more goals in his first Premier League season than RVP has in any except last season. His strike rate was better than two in three. Tevez has 47 in 79 for Man City, better rate than RVP at Arsenal. Even Balotelli's rate is pretty much the same and he's not had a similar amount of opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrytheb Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Tevez, Aguero, Balotelli and Dzeko played for a much better team than Arsenal, hence more opportunities. Balotelli scored 19 in 40, RVP scored 37 in 48, not sure that is similar. Balotelli had a 5 month spell when Tevez was playing golf so certainly had enough playing time to convince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Tevez, Aguero, Balotelli and Dzeko played for a much better team than Arsenal, hence more opportunities. It's hardly like RVP has been slumming it for 8 years alongside the likes of Fabregas, Henry etc. They created a fair few chances. Balotelli scored 19 in 40, RVP scored 37 in 48, not sure that is similar. Balotelli had a 5 month spell when Tevez was playing golf so certainly had enough playing time to convince. What I meant by similar strike rates is that he's got 19 in 40 for City, RVP has 96 in 194 for Arsenal. I think it highly unlikely RVP will ever score like he did last season again. For me this is a Berbatov. Overpaying for a player who is only going to get worse. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 is this forum not for city matters :/ i couldnt give a **** about united or rvp No. It isn't. It's a FOOTBALL chat forum. For someone who couldn't give a Castlemaine four x about Utd or RVP, you took the time to enter the thread and post on it. As someone else said... Don't like it? Don't read it. Simples. As for the deal - I think this is an excellent purchase for Utd. When you compare this deal against £35m for Carroll and £50m for Torres, and the liklihood is that if he stays fit, then this season is likely to be when he really hits his prime, then the £24m outlay is a great deal for Utd, Arsenal and RvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Newcastle United? Colchester United? Carlisle United? I think Van Persie is one of the best players in the league, but it's a horrendous amount of money for a man who could have gone for nothing next year and with his injury record. Arsenal have done as well as they could have done out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS10 RED Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 I think great deal for Man u. RVP is a great player not as good as Aguero or Tevez but that's just my opinion. Dont think Man City are gonna stick with what they got so fancy them to buy a big name before the end of the transfer window. I think Arsenal will cope without him and stick fancy them to finish top 4. 1. Man City 2. Man U 3. Chelsea 4. Arsenal 5. Liverpool 6 Spurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Don't worry the deal is off ! Just been reported that RVP faled his medical. Apparently he has a mystery back complaint, his Dr confirmed that this was caused by carrying the rest of the Arsenal team for the last 4 years . . . .. 12 months, perhaps. 4 years, no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 It's hardly like RVP has been slumming it for 8 years alongside the likes of Fabregas, Henry etc. They created a fair few chances. What I meant by similar strike rates is that he's got 19 in 40 for City, RVP has 96 in 194 for Arsenal. I think it highly unlikely RVP will ever score like he did last season again. For me this is a Berbatov. Overpaying for a player who is only going to get worse. Time will tell. Albeit with a slightly difference class of player, each year for the last few years I have thought that Messi and Ronaldo would not beat the previous season's performances. You just never know. As previously noted, I think the key to whether this proves good value for United or for Arsenal is Van Persie's own fitness: last season he was ever present, compared to 40ish games combined in the previous 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Albeit with a slightly difference class of player, each year for the last few years I have thought that Messi and Ronaldo would not beat the previous season's performances. You just never know. Messi and Ronaldo were younger though. It's a generalisation admittedly but players tend to improve up to 25/26, then plateau, then start to decline at about 30. The degrees vary obviously but strikers don't get better at RVPs age very often, and when they do it's because they change their game as rarities like Scholes and Sheringham did. That's why paying £24m and £200k a week for a 29 yr old is poor value IMO, a lesson I thought Fergie said he'd learned from Berbatov. I reckon Messi will be an exception because so much of his game is technique and skill, but Ronaldo will decline fast as his pace drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastend 75 Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 It's going to make Sunday viewing better don't like man u but Wat a strike force bring on super Sunday and MNF just imagine rvp and Rooney agains nyaclanger and fonts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Messi and Ronaldo were younger though. It's a generalisation admittedly but players tend to improve up to 25/26, then plateau, then start to decline at about 30. The degrees vary obviously but strikers don't get better at RVPs age very often, and when they do it's because they change their game as rarities like Scholes and Sheringham did. That's why paying £24m and £200k a week for a 29 yr old is poor value IMO, a lesson I thought Fergie said he'd learned from Berbatov. I reckon Messi will be an exception because so much of his game is technique and skill, but Ronaldo will decline fast as his pace drops. I think RvP and Berbatov are completely different characters with completely different work ethics. The thing that Scholes and Sheringham had in common when it came to changing their games was Fergie. I would say that RvP would be far more adaptable than Berbatov, and if Fergie can work with him the way he worked with S&S then RvP could be an exceptional talent for a few years to come. Provided of course - as many others have said - he keeps his fitness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Messi and Ronaldo were younger though. It's a generalisation admittedly but players tend to improve up to 25/26, then plateau, then start to decline at about 30. The degrees vary obviously but strikers don't get better at RVPs age very often, and when they do it's because they change their game as rarities like Scholes and Sheringham did. That's why paying £24m and £200k a week for a 29 yr old is poor value IMO, a lesson I thought Fergie said he'd learned from Berbatov. I reckon Messi will be an exception because so much of his game is technique and skill, but Ronaldo will decline fast as his pace drops. To be honest, I tend to agree with you on the value front, on the basis that there is no resale potential for van Persie. It may pay-off for them with titles or the European Cups in the next couple of years, but just as possible that it ends up good business for Arsenal similar to offloading Overmars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 I think RvP and Berbatov are completely different characters with completely different work ethics. The thing that Scholes and Sheringham had in common when it came to changing their games was Fergie. I would say that RvP would be far more adaptable than Berbatov, and if Fergie can work with him the way he worked with S&S then RvP could be an exceptional talent for a few years to come. Provided of course - as many others have said - he keeps his fitness. I agree, but I'd say RVPs game is more likely to deteriorate as it was more based on pace and power. Berbatov is a more technical player and I think those types of players age better. I don't think Fergie helped those players make the switch in styles so much by directly working with them, but more by giving them the opportunity. It will be interesting to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryans Left Peg Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 All opinions of course but in mine Aguero is miles better, Tevez is a lot better, Balotelli is slightly better. All three are still improving. RVP will only decline from here. Agree with this.. I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Well, there was one player on the pitch tonight who looked like he was worth £24m. It wasn't the one Fergie bought though. Nor the winger he played at full back or the midfielder at centre half. Dementia thoroughly set in now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted August 20, 2012 Admin Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Well, there was one player on the pitch tonight who looked like he was worth £24m. It wasn't the one Fergie bought though. Nor the winger he played at full back or the midfielder at centre half. Dementia thoroughly set in now? It was just like watching City......... Where was a goal coming from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Well, there was one player on the pitch tonight who looked like he was worth £24m. It wasn't the one Fergie bought though. Nor the winger he played at full back or the midfielder at centre half. Dementia thoroughly set in now? Carrick at centre half was needs must, I agree about Valencia though. Fellaini is an absolute beast of a player, must be an absolute nightmare to play against. Does make you wonder why United spent £24m on a striker when they've needed a midfielder of his type for about 4 years though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Well, there was one player on the pitch tonight who looked like he was worth £24m. It wasn't the one Fergie bought though. Nor the winger he played at full back or the midfielder at centre half. Dementia thoroughly set in now? Or an injury crisis... didnt have a lot of choice at the back. It was Carrick or Scott Wootton... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Bristol-City_ Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Or an injury crisis... didnt have a lot of choice at the back. It was Carrick or Scott Wootton... Berbatov too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 RVP came in after 68min. Everton was the better team according to the Swedish press. Think Everton can make a good season. They usually start very poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCAGFC Posted August 20, 2012 Report Share Posted August 20, 2012 Thought this thread was entitled R.I.P United.....thought all my dreams had come true. BCAGFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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