T R Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 It's said that it was the Anglo-Saxons that made 'England' but it was the Norman French that made 'Great Britain'. No surprise then that the greatest and most famous Norman French King of them all - Richard I 'Coeur de Lion' - is outside the Palace of Westminster........ Yeah I dislike the French because they have got all the sexy women! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZepperin Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Whether you agree with them or not, Oliver Cromwell and Adolf Hitler were true to their principles right to the end. Oliver Cromwell waged a war to wrest power from a hereditary monarchy and pass it on to parliament. When his side won the war, he abolished parliament and set up a new pseudo-monarchy with himself as Lord Protector...and his power passed on to his son when he died. Biggest sell-out in British political history until Shirley Williams left the Labour Party to form the SDP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Super Furry Animals............... Tom Jomes, Shakin' Stevens, Charlotte Church , the list is endless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Oliver Cromwell waged a war to wrest power from a hereditary monarchy and pass it on to parliament. When his side won the war, he abolished parliament and set up a new pseudo-monarchy with himself as Lord Protector...and his power passed on to his son when he died. Biggest sell-out in British political history until Shirley Williams left the Labour Party to form the SDP. I'd say that the biggest sell out in British political history was when the Conservative Party traitor Prime Minister - Edward Heath - signed us up to the European Economic Community (EEC) in 1972. FCO 30/1048: Edward Heath knew it was treason This classified government document dated April 1971 remained secret until it was released under the 30 year rule. It proves that Edward Heath's Tory government knew the 1972 EEC Treaty would lead to the loss of sovereignty, and was therefore treason. They had a stunningly accurate picture of the EU, which never was the EEC (an Economic Community), expecting Britain to be abolished after the turn of the century. Small threats to sovereignty, like Burgess, Blunt and Maclean's selling secrets to the Russians, attracted 30 year prison sentences. The penalty for actually losing even small parts of it until 1998 was "to hang by the neck until dead." King Charles I was executed for a treason that was, by comparison, relatively minor. Lord Haw Haw ("Germany Calling" - William Joyce) was hanged for treason on 3rd January 1946. His efforts on behalf of Germany were tiny by comparison with Edward Heath's !!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom from sunny side Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 England is going down the pan, soon we'll either be chinese or muslim. This sort of twaddle will be the reason why. are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Oh and every time I hear this lefty shit - I THINK OF BILLY BRAGG LIVING IN HIS WALLED DORSET MANSION - right on Mr Multicultural! Is there any reason he can't live in Dorset ? What a stupid comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poland_red Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 http://menmedia.co.u...ch-with-cardiff Will this menace ever be stopped? if this is a wind-up fair enough, if not, I hope you get banned from going to football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Super Furry Animals............... Now you're talking Es. I even like their Welsh language stuff! Stereophonics & Manics are just too trad dad for me. Rockist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZepperin Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 In fairness butt, when one reads history a bit and realises that people were banned from jobs and education for speaking their own language in the own country then I think it's clear to see why issues might have built up over the years! If Brussels told you your son or daughter cannot speak English at school, would you be queuing up to embrace Belgian culture? Nope, and I don't think people throughout history in Wales did either. All history now, we are all friends in a devolved, but United Kingdom. My over-riding point is not to make generalisations about Wales and the Welsh, because they are probably wrong. My command of Welsh history is extremely sketchy. However... I think that you'll find that forcing people to learn a common language (English here, French in France, etc.) was pretty much standard around the world as nations formed. Your cousins in Brittany had to do the same thing, for example. As another part of this standardisaton process, you were also forced to give up your religion (Catholicism) during the Reformation, which you did. In Ireland, they didn't and, consequently, the people there were not allowed to do much else than rent a tiny plot of land on which they could only grow potatoes to survive. Along came the blight, no potato harvest, and millions died. Corn was sent over to prevent people from starving but was held back so as not to "upset market forces". More millions died. I've no idea how badly we treated the Welsh but the treatment of the Irish was a tad ****ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Is there any reason he can't live in Dorset ? What a stupid comment. Surely as an ultra left winger, 'property is theft', owning a mansion must be 'armed robbery', just another hypocritical left wing credit card champagne socialist, I suspect that is the point he was trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Surely as an ultra left winger, 'property is theft', owning a mansion must be 'armed robbery', just another hypocritical left wing credit card champagne socialist, I suspect that is the point he was trying to make. Where's he supposed to live? In a squat in Hackney?? It was Marx who said that 'property is theft' and I don't think BB has ever said he was a Marxist, but that aside, I'm sure that he pays his tax, donates a fair old whack to charity, plays a large number of free gigs etc as well as enjoying a reasonable income made for his family as a result of his talent. But is it really a mansion? I think I've read that he lived in a farmhouse. And don't most properties have walls around them? Even the modest Chateau Robbo does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Surely as an ultra left winger, 'property is theft', owning a mansion must be 'armed robbery', just another hypocritical left wing credit card champagne socialist, I suspect that is the point he was trying to make. I know the point he was trying to make but don't agree with it ! BB has lefty values and his heart is in the right place which is the main thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Where's he supposed to live? In a squat in Hackney?? It was Marx who said that 'property is theft' and I don't think BB has ever said he was a Marxist, but that aside, I'm sure that he pays his tax, donates a fair old whack to charity, plays a large number of free gigs etc as well as enjoying a reasonable income made for his family as a result of his talent. But is it really a mansion? I think I've read that he lived in a farmhouse. And don't most properties have walls around them? Even the modest Chateau Robbo does. Reported in jan 2011 had stopped paying taxes in protest of banking crisis, he claims to be a 'cultural marxist', aren't they the marxists that now call themselves multi culturalists to hide their marxism?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Reported in jan 2011 had stopped paying taxes in protest of banking crisis, he claims to be a 'cultural marxist', aren't they the marxists that now call themselves multi culturalists to hide their marxism?. I didn't think the Labour Party had any Marxists in it - or socialists for that matter these days! I'm not sure he really has stopped paying taxes you know. That's, er, like illegal and you go to prison for it. If it has now become a voluntary activity then I'd be very happy to stop too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I didn't think the Labour Party had any Marxists in it - or socialists for that matter these days! I'm not sure he really has stopped paying taxes you know. That's, er, like illegal and you go to prison for it. If it has now become a voluntary activity then I'd be very happy to stop too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 http://menmedia.co.u...ch-with-cardiff Will this menace ever be stopped? The same Cardiff fans who hate England with a passion and have many anti-English songs?? While I dont agree with racism in any content, this isn't in the slightest... its banter. This PC era is a total joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 You can say things but, you know, not really do them. I've chatted to Bragg at Glastonbury and he's one of the nicest, most approachable and down-to-earth guys you could meet. I'm not a great fan of his music, but it's nice to meet someone in the business who is more intelligent than his guitar amps. I'd argue that being a supporter of 'left-wing' causes - spurious label because what some folk see as 'left-wing' others might not - does not mean you have to live personally in penury or indeed give away all your possessions and be some sort of tramp. You should have the right to support your family by the fruits of your own labour - and if you are a 'celeb' then some degree of security is probably necessary too. That doesn't preclude you from pushing for a more just society. At least Bragg can say that he enjoys a reasonable standard of living becase he's produced work that other people have enjoyed - that's more than can be said by any commodity broker, for example. He's a great songwriter IMO. Just wish he didn't sing them himself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 You can say things but, you know, not really do them. I've chatted to Bragg at Glastonbury and he's one of the nicest, most approachable and down-to-earth guys you could meet. I'm not a great fan of his music, but it's nice to meet someone in the business who is more intelligent than his guitar amps. I'd argue that being a supporter of 'left-wing' causes - spurious label because what some folk see as 'left-wing' others might not - does not mean you have to live personally in penury or indeed give away all your possessions and be some sort of tramp. You should have the right to support your family by the fruits of your own labour - and if you are a 'celeb' then some degree of security is probably necessary too. That doesn't preclude you from pushing for a more just society. At least Bragg can say that he enjoys a reasonable standard of living becase he's produced work that other people have enjoyed - that's more than can be said by any commodity broker, for example. He's a great songwriter IMO. Just wish he didn't sing them himself... Hypocrite then?. and worst of all encouraging others to do it, but not following through yourself, very committed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Hypocrite then?. and worst of all encouraging others to do it, but not following through yourself, very committed. It just seems a bit unlikely if you intend to evade taxes that you make a video to alert HMRC to it. He probably made some sort of symbolic protest, a bit like those who withheld the poll tax but didn't take it all the way to going to jail for it. But hey, I'm not Billy Bragg's press agent you know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 It just seems a bit unlikely if you intend to evade taxes that you make a video to alert HMRC to it. He probably made some sort of symbolic protest, a bit like those who withheld the poll tax but didn't take it all the way to going to jail for it. But hey, I'm not Billy Bragg's press agent you know! This dosen't sound like a symbolic protest to me, the WE word got used a lot, didn't hear the word symbolic once. http://www.guardian....speakers-corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 This dosen't sound like a symbolic protest to me, the WE word got used a lot, didn't hear the word symbolic once. http://www.guardian....speakers-corner I wonder how he got on then? That video is from 2010 and he's talking about not filing his self-assessment forms for a year (2010-11 presumably). I can't hear him recommending othesr necessarily do the same, he's just trying to explain why he took that stance. I'm not mad on bank bailouts but then I can't see how you get anywhere by just withholding all taxes. I mean we all pay for some things we don't agree with. For RG and Marshy, it would be the EU, I'm more concerned about how much the Afghan War is costing me. Isn't withholding taxes harming the good along with the bad though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Let's see how they get on then. I'm not mad on bank bailouts but then I can't see how you get anywhere by just withholding all taxes. I mean we all pay for some things we don't agree with. For RG and Marshy, it would be the EU, I'm more concerned about how much the Afghan War is costing me. Isn't withholding taxes harming the good along with the bad though? So hypocrite then really?. The truth is HE didn't do it, as far as I can make out, but I wonder how many people he encouraged did do it?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 So hypocrite then really?. The truth is HE didn't do it, as far as I can make out, but I wonder how many people he encouraged did do it?. I can't see how you can do it and not end up in jail. Bit of an empty gesture perhaps, but not necessarily hypocritical as he did it to make a point rather than just to squirrel away more money. As he must've paid eventually, it ended up costing him more to make that point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Where's he supposed to live? In a squat in Hackney?? It was Marx who said that 'property is theft' and I don't think BB has ever said he was a Marxist, but that aside, I'm sure that he pays his tax, donates a fair old whack to charity, plays a large number of free gigs etc as well as enjoying a reasonable income made for his family as a result of his talent. But is it really a mansion? I think I've read that he lived in a farmhouse. And don't most properties have walls around them? Even the modest Chateau Robbo does. I have a feeling that it was the French anarchist Proudhon and that Marx didn't altogether agree with the slogan. Long time since I read that stuff though and a dangerous road to travel in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I wonder how he got on then? That video is from 2010 and he's talking about not filing his self-assessment forms for a year (2010-11 presumably). I can't hear him recommending othesr necessarily do the same, he's just trying to explain why he took that stance. I'm not mad on bank bailouts but then I can't see how you get anywhere by just withholding all taxes. I mean we all pay for some things we don't agree with. For RG and Marshy, it would be the EU, I'm more concerned about how much the Afghan War is costing me. Isn't withholding taxes harming the good along with the bad though? I'm extremely concerned about that as well Robbo ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I can't see how you can do it and not end up in jail. Bit of an empty gesture perhaps, but not necessarily hypocritical as he did it to make a point rather than just to squirrel away more money. As he must've paid eventually, it ended up costing him more to make that point! OK, so don't take him literally then, let's hope nobody did, perhaps next time he should add this rider to his rant 'of course do as I say, not as I do'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 I'm extremely concerned about that as well Robbo ! Glad to hear it mate! £20bn and counting at last estimate!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 OK, so don't take him literally then, let's hope nobody did, perhaps next time he should add this rider to his rant 'of course do as I say, not as I do'. But is there a bit in there where he said "everybody should not pay tax"? I just heard him saying why he himself wasn't. Obviously, if your a well-known singer your gesture gets publicity but if you're just Joe Schmoe you only get a fine which you may struggle to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 Glad to hear it mate! £20bn and counting at last estimate!! Mainly to keep the U S of A's arms industry going, I suspect they are already planning their next intervention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted November 9, 2012 Report Share Posted November 9, 2012 But is there a bit in there where he said "everybody should not pay tax"? I just heard him saying why he himself wasn't. Obviously, if your a well-known singer your gesture gets publicity but if you're just Joe Schmoe you only get a fine which you may struggle to pay. Plenty of 'if we' in their. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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