No Ashton Vale Hearing Untill Oct 2013!

[Barrs Court Red]

Well the BBC will be too busy searching for the elusive bamboo pits to ask any thing pertinent. NIMBY 247 doesn't do interviews, which leaves us with the post......

[Brizzle Jordan]

We won't have a new stadium until atleast 2018 imo.

[Barrs Court Red]

By 2018 it won't be worth having anyway

[real_bristol]

I think the next stage, RB, whenever it takes place, will be the end game - one way or another. A lot of strange things are written into the European Convention on Human Rights but the right to take your dog for a shiit on a former landfill site ain't one of them!

Good I hope your right. Red trousers has put a downer on this though hasn't he. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I think it is because he's anti-supermarket rather than anti-progress.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

I don't like Bristol City, but seriously..you got planning permission in 2009..started talking about the new stadium a couple years before that...you now have a years delay before some meeting or whatever..then probably some more delays, followed by more challenges, followed by a construction period.

In that time you've gone from play off finalists and championship big boys to relegation fodder.

Seriously, why not work on plan B...extending that main stand of yours or something. Give yourselves some momentum..this stadium wait is dragging your club down.

So let's get this straight one of the red bluebirds prostitutes is giving us advice?, some people have incredibly short memories, like almost going out of business regularly whilst all the below was going on, hypocrisy or what.

Planning

First mooted as a long term target by former owner Sam Hammam, the new stadium first gained public approval after a meeting between Hammam and then Cardiff Lord Mayor Russell Goodway in January 2002, giving the club 12 months to agree a planning and business plan.[11] In November 2002 the club and Cardiff Council signed an outline agreement for the development, subject to later agreement for outline planning permission.[12]

In March 2003, stories began to emerge that the Chief Executive of the Millennium Stadium wanted Cardiff City to use their stadium instead, and saw no viable plan for two 50,000+ seat capacity stadium in the Welsh capital[13] This was increased in light of Cardiff City's promotion to the Championship in May 2003 with local fears over traffic and access problems.[14]

However, on 20 August 2003 Cardiff councillors gave unanimous approval to the stadium plans, although expressed concerns over the need and scale of the retail development but understood its need to fund the stadium.[15] On 9 September 2003 the Welsh Assembly gave approval to the plan.[16]

In April 2004, Cardiff Council gave the first phase covering the stadium with a capacity of 30,000 seats and new athletics track approval.[17] The next phase was held up by various legal and technical delays from November 2004[18] to January 2005, when the council gave approval to three detailed plans for the retail development, subject to agreement of suitable underlying business plans.[19]

Although development could have then started in May 2005, the underlying need for seed financing revealed the financial status of Cardiff City football club as poor, with over £30 million of debt and the need to sell star player and club captain Graham Kavanagh to Wigan Athletic F.C. in March 2005. It was also revealed that players and staff had not been paid for a month as the club struggled to honour a wage bill believed to be £750,000 a month, while auditors were looking at possible cutbacks.[20] On 1 March 2005 the club delayed the development until at least July 2005.[21]

After a 1–0 home loss to Sheffield United and a mobbing by fans, on 6 March 2005 Hammam apologised to fans, and released club accounts which showed club debt at March 2004 at £29.6 million.[21] Effectively, this was the start of the end of the Hammam era at Cardiff City, as he could not fund the required development.

After a summer sale of players, the entry of former Leeds United chairman Peter Ridsdale and numerous rumours, the development was given a 90 day time period by Cardiff Council from 31 December 2005 to finalise the underlying business plan.[22] On 31 January 2006 the developers secured Asda as the lead retailer of the new development, which enabled the final funding of the stadium to start.[23] This allowed the council timetable to extend by four months to September 2006.[24]

On 24 October 2006 Laing O'Rouke won the contract to develop the 30,000 seat stadium, which Ridsdale stated would be ready for December 2008.[25] On 27 November 2006 Cardiff Council approved the business plan for the stadium, and granted a 125 year lease for the land on which the stadium was to sit upon, allowing the final planning approval to be gained from the council authority and the office of the Deputy Prime Minister.[26]

In March 2007, the stadium plans were altered to allow construction to begin as soon as possible. To minimise construction costs, the 30,000 capacity was reduced to 25,000 by removing three-quarters of the second tier of seating, however the plans allow the option of completing the second tier to reach the 30,000 capacity if required.[27] The former chairman of Cardiff City, Steve Borley, said in March 2008 that "We are working to raise the capacity and right now it stands at 26,830. The task is to raise that even further, and we believe it could be almost 28,000 when the stadium opens."[28]

When work finally commenced Peter Ridsdale stated that he expected the stadium to be ready by Christmas 2008 but it was finally completed in May 2009. Although some believe this slight delay was caused by Cardiff City's ongoing legal action with Langston, it was actually caused by unexpectedly poor weather during the summer of 2007.[29]

[KeepUpLino]

No suprise there. Red trousers will do all he can to stop the development. All you who voted for him were warned

This man is only interested in his own gain.... Shame he's got zero power to do anything about it!!

[luke_bristol]

Keep your heads high gentlemen, pain now for jam later.

Our day will come.

[Guest]

I'm not sure GF has any power but can obviously express a wish. I'm not sure if he's being anti AV here or he/the council are just fed up of the issue and want it resolved one way or another.

If it falls back to Oct 2013 that surely must mean a renewal of all planning applications no?

No surprises NIMBY 24/7 is full of its usual bile. It's time someone investigated how they get all the stories first. Clearly an inside job at the council.

[Esmond Million's Bung]

I'm not sure GF has any power but can obviously express a wish. I'm not sure if he's being anti AV here or he/the council are just fed up of the issue and want it resolved one way or another.

If it falls back to Oct 2013 that surely must mean a renewal of all planning applications no?

Well let's put it this way, if he has political ambitions or fancies a 2nd term, publicly going against this in any way shape or form would be IMO political suicide, given that it is along with the gas just about all Bristol has too look forward in the way of improved facilities and much needed employment, but on the other hand this is Ferguson we are talking about here.

[Guest]

Well let's put it this way, if he has political ambitions or fancies a 2nd term, publicly going against this in any way shape or form would be IMO political suicide, given that it is along with the gas just about all Bristol has too look forward in the way of improved facilities and much needed employment, but on the other hand this Ferguson we are talking about here.

I would see the delay as an advantage to someone against the stadium/supermarket as would result in planning renewals. So to say earlier doesn't necessarily mean he's trying to finish it off once and for all. Doubt many will agree with me but hey ho.

[Cider red]

I don't like Bristol City, but seriously..you got planning permission in 2009..started talking about the new stadium a couple years before that...you now have a years delay before some meeting or whatever..then probably some more delays, followed by more challenges, followed by a construction period.

In that time you've gone from play off finalists and championship big boys to relegation fodder.

Seriously, why not work on plan B...extending that main stand of yours or something. Give yourselves some momentum..this stadium wait is dragging your club down.

You speak a lot of sense for a 'bluebird', i do think landsdown hinted in an interview last year that if it will take years before there is any hint of the new stadium he will redevelop the gate as a preliminary measure whilst we are fighting village greeners.

[CardiffBlackLabel]

So let's get this straight one of the red bluebirds prostitutes is giving us advice?, some people have incredibly short memories, like almost going out of business regularly whilst all the below was going on, hypocrisy or what.

Planning

First mooted as a long term target by former owner Sam Hammam, the new stadium first gained public approval after a meeting between Hammam and then Cardiff Lord Mayor Russell Goodway in January 2002, giving the club 12 months to agree a planning and business plan.[11] In November 2002 the club and Cardiff Council signed an outline agreement for the development, subject to later agreement for outline planning permission.[12]

In March 2003, stories began to emerge that the Chief Executive of the Millennium Stadium wanted Cardiff City to use their stadium instead, and saw no viable plan for two 50,000+ seat capacity stadium in the Welsh capital[13] This was increased in light of Cardiff City's promotion to the Championship in May 2003 with local fears over traffic and access problems.[14]

However, on 20 August 2003 Cardiff councillors gave unanimous approval to the stadium plans, although expressed concerns over the need and scale of the retail development but understood its need to fund the stadium.[15] On 9 September 2003 the Welsh Assembly gave approval to the plan.[16]

In April 2004, Cardiff Council gave the first phase covering the stadium with a capacity of 30,000 seats and new athletics track approval.[17] The next phase was held up by various legal and technical delays from November 2004[18] to January 2005, when the council gave approval to three detailed plans for the retail development, subject to agreement of suitable underlying business plans.[19]

Although development could have then started in May 2005, the underlying need for seed financing revealed the financial status of Cardiff City football club as poor, with over £30 million of debt and the need to sell star player and club captain Graham Kavanagh to Wigan Athletic F.C. in March 2005. It was also revealed that players and staff had not been paid for a month as the club struggled to honour a wage bill believed to be £750,000 a month, while auditors were looking at possible cutbacks.[20] On 1 March 2005 the club delayed the development until at least July 2005.[21]

After a 1–0 home loss to Sheffield United and a mobbing by fans, on 6 March 2005 Hammam apologised to fans, and released club accounts which showed club debt at March 2004 at £29.6 million.[21] Effectively, this was the start of the end of the Hammam era at Cardiff City, as he could not fund the required development.

After a summer sale of players, the entry of former Leeds United chairman Peter Ridsdale and numerous rumours, the development was given a 90 day time period by Cardiff Council from 31 December 2005 to finalise the underlying business plan.[22] On 31 January 2006 the developers secured Asda as the lead retailer of the new development, which enabled the final funding of the stadium to start.[23] This allowed the council timetable to extend by four months to September 2006.[24]

On 24 October 2006 Laing O'Rouke won the contract to develop the 30,000 seat stadium, which Ridsdale stated would be ready for December 2008.[25] On 27 November 2006 Cardiff Council approved the business plan for the stadium, and granted a 125 year lease for the land on which the stadium was to sit upon, allowing the final planning approval to be gained from the council authority and the office of the Deputy Prime Minister.[26]

In March 2007, the stadium plans were altered to allow construction to begin as soon as possible. To minimise construction costs, the 30,000 capacity was reduced to 25,000 by removing three-quarters of the second tier of seating, however the plans allow the option of completing the second tier to reach the 30,000 capacity if required.[27] The former chairman of Cardiff City, Steve Borley, said in March 2008 that "We are working to raise the capacity and right now it stands at 26,830. The task is to raise that even further, and we believe it could be almost 28,000 when the stadium opens."[28]

When work finally commenced Peter Ridsdale stated that he expected the stadium to be ready by Christmas 2008 but it was finally completed in May 2009. Although some believe this slight delay was caused by Cardiff City's ongoing legal action with Langston, it was actually caused by unexpectedly poor weather during the summer of 2007.[29]

Well firstly old chap, he who doesn't learn from others mistakes, makes the greatest mistakes of all.

And secondly...funnilly enough, given that I live in Cardiff and not Pyongyang, I don't support everything the club has done and think it's done things correctly.

[sbred]

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[Esmond Million's Bung]

Well firstly old chap, he who doesn't learn from others mistakes, makes the greatest mistakes of all.

And secondly...funnilly enough, given that I live in Cardiff and not Pyongyang, I don't support everything the club has done and think it's done things correctly.

But funnily my old china that is actually the first time you have admitted that on this forum and secondly unlike the red bluebirds who only ever had a plan A because there was no money and no club if plan A didn't succeed to bring in a possible investor, our debts are fully underwritten by our owner, who has stressed that he is in this for the long game and thirdly we have learned something very positive from your clubs experience in it's building of your nice new stadium, we won't build a soulless bowl, so at least thank you for that.

[Frenchay Red]

I would see the delay as an advantage to someone against the stadium/supermarket as would result in planning renewals. So to say earlier doesn't necessarily mean he's trying to finish it off once and for all. Doubt many will agree with me but hey ho.

Difficult to know what GF's motives are or what drives them. But given that the newly elected mayor is presumably still a merchant venturer, and business and property opportunist, I wonder if he will fulfill his elected role in a public altuistic manner, yet at the same time keep an eye out for non-elected profit making activities?

Pure speculation of course

[italian dave]

The tories in my opinion are trying their hardest to remove the red tape and get this country moving - despite upsetting a lot of their NIMBY electorate in the process.

Would that include Liam Fox? - who's done fxxx all to support the development and the £90m investment in South Bristol it will generate, and has given implicit and at times explicit sipport to the Nimbys in their attempts to stop it.

[Rich]

Difficult to know what GF's motives are or what drives them. But given that the newly elected mayor is presumably still a merchant venturer, and business and property opportunist, I wonder if he will fulfill his elected role in a public altuistic manner, yet at the same time keep an eye out for non-elected profit making activities?

Pure speculation of course

I would imagine Georges motives are to stop the Sainsbury's development, to protect the area around the Tobacco Factory, which earns him a few bob. There is a threat to his bar on matchdays, as there will be more bars and food outlets at the new stadium, meaning a reduction of use (profits) for his business. It is definately his daughters motive to stop the supermarket, she will also pressure her old man to close the streets for children to play. You heard it here first, I think she's the closet Mayor.

[The Bard]

I would imagine Georges motives are to stop the Sainsbury's development, to protect the area around the Tobacco Factory, which earns him a few bob. There is a threat to his bar on matchdays, as there will be more bars and food outlets at the new stadium, meaning a reduction of use (profits) for his business. It is definately his daughters motive to stop the supermarket, she will also pressure her old man to close the streets for children to play. You heard it here first, I think she's the closet Mayor.

How many daughters does he have?

[redcityman]

No suprise there. Red trousers will do all he can to stop the development. All you who voted for him were warned

Didn't vote for him myself, but if anyone is to blame for electing Ferguson it's the seventy odd percent who couldn't be bothered to vote full stop.

[del ete]

Radio Bristol said this morning that Red Trousers is in a meeting today to request further powers & funding from the government. The powers are specifically regarding planning & supermarkets. We already have planning permission at present, but not sure how this could effect the rovers & their new ground / or us in the future.

[Kid in the Riot]

If it falls back to Oct 2013 that surely must mean a renewal of all planning applications no?

No surprises NIMBY 24/7 is full of its usual bile. It's time someone investigated how they get all the stories first. Clearly an inside job at the council.

It is an inside job Tom and the Council know who it is.

The planning permission expires in 2015 so shouldn't need renewing. If it does tho, then that won't be straight forward.

[del ete]

it hasn't it was never signed or sealed as they went to JR which put the whole thing back on the cards,

None of it was registered I believe, because the nimbys said the council used the wrong map

They are claiming this because they are worried about losing the lot

Looks like the southern section is already registered then...taken from Nimby247:

https://www.bristol....005/0917_10.pdf

Ashton Vale (File No. JD5/386)

• Application No: 12

• Date Application received: 26 October 2009

• Description of Application land: Ashton Vale Fields

• Location of Application land: Ashton Vale Fields, adjoining North Somerset

Boundary , Between Ashton Vale Drive Cul-de-sac and The Park and Ride

(Application Map showing registered part -Appendix B)

• Applicants: Mr Michael J Peters and Linda Stone

• Land owner: Vence LLP

• State of Application: Committee decision to register part 16 June 2011. Part

registered on 26 July 2011. Balance of land to be referred to inspector Crail

for a public inquiry. Pre-inquiry process to start in October 2012.

[Monkeh]

It is an inside job Tom and the Council know who it is.

The planning permission expires in 2015 so shouldn't need renewing. If it does tho, then that won't be straight forward.

I don't think planning permission held up by red tape will need to be reapplied for its just gets a continuation anyway I thought it lasts 8 years we got it in 2009 so we would have it until 2017

[Monkeh]

Oh an I don't think go is being anti here he's trying to be practical and get it moving before oct 2013

We want a full inquiry and if he can get that in the new year it will be better for us

[Lew-T]

[Kid in the Riot]

I don't think planning permission held up by red tape will need to be reapplied for its just gets a continuation anyway I thought it lasts 8 years we got it in 2009 so we would have it until 2017

Permission was given in February 2010 and work must commence by February 2015.

As permission was given because the club demonstrated 'very special circumstances' to override green belt policy, if we applied to extend the time limit we would have to demonstrate these circumstances still applied 5 years down the line in 2015.

It therefore is not a foregone conclusion that we would get permission again and the application would undoubtedly end up in front of BCC planning committee again.

It would add further costs and risk to the scheme and im sure the club are desperate to start work before the February 2015 deadline.

[NYTRAM]

However given the amount of money invested by said council do you really think they'd turn an extension of Planning Permission down? I think not!

[Kid in the Riot]

However given the amount of money invested by said council do you really think they'd turn an extension of Planning Permission down? I think not!

Probably not but as I say, it's not as easy a process as some seem to think.

[del ete]

However given the amount of money invested by said council do you really think they'd turn an extension of Planning Permission down? I think not!

We dont know what power the new Mayor will have. If he has a say in this you can bet he will scupper the plans!

[pongo88]

Permission was given in February 2010 and work must commence by February 2015.

As permission was given because the club demonstrated 'very special circumstances' to override green belt policy, if we applied to extend the time limit we would have to demonstrate these circumstances still applied 5 years down the line in 2015.

It therefore is not a foregone conclusion that we would get permission again and the application would undoubtedly end up in front of BCC planning committee again.

It would add further costs and risk to the scheme and im sure the club are desperate to start work before the February 2015 deadline.

The key word is “commence”. All City have to do is dig one hole and work has commenced. We’ve got just over 3 years to start digging