Next Seasons Home Kit...

[tiz]

Pleade make it a v neck though as round necks do not suit neddy no necks like me

[Cambridge Batch Red]

Sorry but are you serious?

The coat of arms represents the City of Bristol... see where I am going with this?

of course I'm not being bloody serious

We're not some parochial little Bristol club - we're a regional super power

BCFC = PRIDE OF THE WEST

[RedZepperin]

Wassail, wassail all round the town;

The zider-cup's white and the zider's brown;

Our zider is made vrom good apple trees,

And now my vine vellows we'll drink if you please.

http://www.timetravel-britain.com/articles/christmas/wassail.shtml

If the badge is to align with the current branding paradigm, a prawn sandwich would be far more appropriate, surely?

[Fiale]

Shouldn't our badge relate to our football team and our nickname rather than borrow the council's/rugby club's crest?

That is my point, it's quite simple. We are "The Robins" whether you like it or not.

It's not the councils or the Rugby clubs crest it's the City of Bristol's crest, it belongs to Bristol. Some Clubs and Organisations proud of the city they come from use the City's coat of arms to show their home/origin.

The nickname of something is the unofficial name of something - so you may be Donald on your birth certificate, but Don to your friends - you maybe British in nationality but a Brit, limey, Pomme - you don't change the birth certificates, name of the country or it's flag to represent nicknames.

I have no problem with the Robins being the clubs nickname so the "rather you like it or not" comment is pointless, because I don't mind it at all - but only as a nickname - not the clubs main identity.

[Cambridge Batch Red]

I have no problem with the Robins being the clubs nickname so the "rather you like it or not" comment is pointless, because I don't mind it at all - but only as a nickname - not the clubs main identity.

I think we can safely establish that Bristol City Football Club are from the city and county of Bristol. There is big clue in the name somewhere.

[Cowshed]

Sorry but the Mrs and marketing point just feels like that kid in the school playground who says he knows best about football because his dad works for a professional football club. I'm not looking for an argument but the Robin is a part of the past, as is the purple and lime, built on Nostalgia and whilst we could go back to the Robin and put on the purple and lime it'll be a nice little boost but it'll fade fast.

Take your favourite childhood toy, video game, clothes, whatever you like and then go buy it off ebay and see if any of your love for it surpasses nostalgia... it won't. I recently bought some old retro video games and whilst I love owning them again and I have played on them a few times I would never say they're better than a modern version of the same game and that's because I've moved on.

The Robin is more strategic because it can be used in more ways, much like the American hockey teams use names like The Pittsburgh Penguins because a Penguin can be used in so many ways, whereas a crest cannot. The marketing value of the Robin may be a lot higher but it's not true to the clubs roots as the crest is and the argument about Rovers using it is so silly and childish when you consider it. We're both Bristol based clubs, so yes they've used it but that's no different to any of the teams mentioned who have used the Robin of which there are far more. Bristol Rovers use the Pirate now and in all honesty I cringe when I see it because it doesn't look like a football badge. I suppose I'm quite traditional in our badge and whilst I wouldn't kick up a fuss if we went back to the Robin I would look at it and feel a little bit like it looks cheap.

If people want to embrace the Robins nickname then do it, you don't need the badge on the kit really do you? Sing when the red red robin comes bob bob bobbing along, wear t-shirts with the robin on it, make new chants on how we're the Robins, what's stopping you?

I put the Robin on the kit to see how people would react and mainly to see what I think of it myself and in all honesty I think the kit looks better with the coat of arms on it. I think if people want the Robin so much the club should release a retro style shirt, plain red, with "nibor", the Robin crest and see how it sells. If it sells well then maybe the Robin could be re-introduced, surely that would be a much better marketing scheme than just forcing it on people who don't necessarily want it. I'd much rather see the club test the waters first before re-branding, which is essentially what many of our fans give Cardiff crap for doing.

Sorry but are you serious?

The coat of arms represents the City of Bristol... see where I am going with this?

My school playground was more interested in top trumps than marketing strategy.

I used a marketing professionals viewpoint regarding use of the crest as not being strategic. You appear now to be agreeing with that view in part e.g increase in profile/reach and increased sales = The marketing value of the Robin may be a lot higher. You have also highlighted the inflexibilty of the crest as a design.

In comparison the benefits of using the crest financial, or ortherwise? They don't spring to mind instantly.

The marketing value of the Robin may be a lot higher but it's not true to the clubs roots ...The Robin was used on the clubs shirt sixty years ago, the nickname existing probably since the nineteen forties? That is part of the club's roots, unless you hark back to the Babes.

Your last point is interesting. The real old un's may correct me here, but during the seventies a competition was held to design a new badge. The crest was replaced by the winner [75-76], that winner was the Robin.

[Northampton Red]

you've undone your hard work with these comments. Millwall introduced a crest - it was crap - they brought back their lion. It looks good. Liverpool introduced a crest - again poor, this year they reintroduced the liverbird - its quality; simple and effective.

Every tom dick and harry have got a crest, nobody knows what's on them, some old shit, couple of horses, a pig, dancing lion or frog with a trumpet stuck up its arse **** knows.

Surprised no one else noticed that last line. Best thing I've read all day!

[Spike]

The marketing value of the Robin may be a lot higher but it's not true to the clubs roots ...The Robin was used on the clubs shirt sixty years ago, the nickname existing probably since the nineteen forties? That is part of the club's roots, unless you hark back to the Babes.

To me roots are where something starts, I wouldn't call the base of a tree the roots although it's important to the tree it's still not the roots.

When we became Bristol City we wore the coat of arms, that's our roots. The Robin was introduced in 1949 and replaced only two years later. The next time the Robin was used was when we finished in the runners-up position of the old Division 2 and we got promotion to the old First Division. The thing is it sounds like a good time but in the following years we fought relegation and then when we were relegated we went do to Division 4 and bankruptcy! All in all the Robin isn't really associated with great times is it, maybe a few but the worst run of the clubs history and bankruptcy came with that Robin on our shirt too.

The coat of arms is what the club started with and it's the right crest for a club named Bristol City, it would be different if we were Bristol United, or Bristol Athletic but we're not, we're Bristol City and so the City's coat of arms make sense.

Your last point is interesting. The real old un's may correct me here, but during the seventies a competition was held to design a new badge. The crest was replaced by the winner [75-76], that winner was the Robin.

And your point is? That a panel from the seventies who decided that the robin design was better than the clubs original know best? Sorry but if that panel included the people running our club then they were also the same people who gave us our darkest days.

As I said before, I wouldn't kick up a fuss if the Robin became our badge once again but it doesn't make sense to use it.The coat of arms is the logical choice, the Robin is a nostalgic choice. Next year will be our 20th year since we went back to the coat of arms and although I have some shirts with the Robin on it's the ones with the coat of arms I value the most.

you've undone your hard work with these comments. Millwall introduced a crest - it was crap - they brought back their lion. It looks good. Liverpool introduced a crest - again poor, this year they reintroduced the liverbird - its quality; simple and effective.

Every tom dick and harry have got a crest, nobody knows what's on them, some old shit, couple of horses, a pig, dancing lion or frog with a trumpet stuck up its arse **** knows.

Millwalls original badge was the Lion

Liverpools original badge was the Liverbird

So both of those teams you mentioned use their original crest design, ours was the coat of arms.

[tiz]

I am sure we had the creat when we got promoted the robin came back for our first year back in thd top flight.

[tiz]

Is there any argument against using both

[Spike]

Is there any argument against using both

I've said before, I'd rather we used the coat of arms and featured a Robin if it's that important to people.

[tiz]

Seems a simple and desirable option to me.

[T R]

I've done some new ones... All these designs could be altered if needed, like the old robin and bridge design could be replaced with a new modern version. I've done a couple of crest designs too.

Could anyone put any of these designs onto a city shirt just to see what they look like? Then I could make up my mind if I like it or not.

Thanks.

[Cambridge Batch Red]

To me roots are where something starts, I wouldn't call the base of a tree the roots although it's important to the tree it's still not the roots.

And your point is? That a panel from the seventies who decided that the robin design was better than the clubs original know best? Sorry but if that panel included the people running our club then they were also the same people who gave us our darkest days.

Millwalls original badge was the Lion

Liverpools original badge was the Liverbird

So both of those teams you mentioned use their original crest design, ours was the coat of arms.

Darkest days? I'm sure we were on match of the day during those dark days.

You miss the point about Millwall and Liverpool, they had decent 1970s football badges, ditched them for a corny 90s retro crest, then opted again for the 70s80s badges. Even cardiff before they became the red birds or whatever the **** they are called now had returned briefly to their 70s80s badge.

The badge we have now is poor approximation of the city of bristol crest and looks like a corny 90s retro crest.

[cider head]

If we are talking roots then lets look at the Bristol crest/badge roots as the two were merged in to the one you see today

Even Gloucester cricket club who play at the County Cricket Ground in Bristol use a Bristol crest and can be said the logo is odd for their personal ID but then again, any of the Bristol city fans who live outside of Bristol where a Bristol badge may have no meaning to them but a personal Club ID would do, that is very much detached from the Bristol crest.

I know a fair few people from weston and taunton, radstock & frome areas who could not give a rats about Bristol and the badge but love Bristol city fc, it goes to show how the ernie robin became popular to the point people had tattoo's of this image as it represented a personal ID to them and their football club.

A bit long winded but history can be just that:

As i said The crest (bristol coat of arms) was a re-brand and meger with in itself back in the day with ship and castle (coat of arms) and crest supporters (unicorns) putting the two together so it's not as traditional as people like to make out.

The arms are based on the early seals of Bristol, from which the ship and castle theme (signifying a strongly fortified harbour) developed (part of that is slavery). The shield was in use from about the 14th century, and to this was added in 1569 supporters (the two unicorns) and the crest (two arms rising from the clouds holding scales and a serpent). The significance of these various items is recorded in the City Audit Books of this time:- the Unicorns will only do homage to men of virtue; the arms in the crest signify that good government depends on wisdom (the serpent) and justice (the scales) and that these are divine gifts from above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_slave_trade

Bristol's Seals, Arms and Logos

Seals were introduced as a way of authenticating documents. A blob of soft sealing wax was melted and the seal, often in the form of a signet ring, pressed into it. Seals have been in use for a long time and there is a mention of them being misused in the Bible's Old Testament, 1 Kings 21:8 in King James version says...

So she [Jezebel] wrote letters in Ahab's name, and sealed them with his seal, and sent the letters unto the elders and to the nobles that were in his city, dwelling with Naboth. The first known seal used by the City of Bristol was issued early in the reign of King Edward I who reigned from 1272 to 1307.

This seal has two halves that were aligned using the lugs seen on the above image. It was used not only on official city of Bristol documents but was used by city burgesses whose seals were not sufficiently well-known. A burgess was originally any freeman of a particular borough but was later redefined as any city official either elected or not.

One side of the seal shows the castle, which was built between 1130 and 1150, including the great keep on which a watchman stands with a trumpet. The reverse shows a ship approaching the castle watergate along the Avon which teems with fish and eels. Ships at that time were steered using a broad board over the side of the ship and not with a rudder at the stern. A watchman points out the entrance to the watergate.

The text on this side of the seal reads "Secreti clavis sum portus. Navita navis Portam custodit. Portum vigil indice prodit." A translation of this is "I am the key of the hidden port. The sailor watches the port side of the ship. The watchman points out the port with his finger", an alternative translation is "I am the key of the secret port. The pilot steers the helm of the ship. The warder points out the port with his fore-finger."

This seal is the only one that I have seen where the ship is entering the castle watergate, all seals after this show the ship leaving the watergate. This seal was in use until 1569 when Bristol was granted a crest with supporters - the golden unicorns - for the civic arms.

There was another seal apparently also issued in the reign of Edward I and that now shows the ship leaving the castle...

City seal from the the reign of Edward I

Image from "Bristol Past and Present" by James Fawckner Nicholls and John Taylor, published by J. W. Arrowsmith, 1881

The text reads "Sigillum Maioritatis Ville Bristolie."

Another seal was issued during the reign of Edward III in 1359...

Second mayoral seal - 1359

Image from "Civic Treasures of Bristol" by Mary E. Williams, published by City of Bristol, 1984

This seal replaced an earlier seal that was produced earlier in Edward III's reign. What happened was that Edward had assumed the title of "King of France" in 1340 and the old seal did not acknowledge this fact in the Royal Standard shown on it. The seal above shows a ship departing from the castle's watergate. The Royal Standard flying from the bow of the ship shows the arms of both England and France. Standing on the castle ramparts are two watchmen. The one on top of the castle has a trumpet and is standing with a signal beacon and a flag bearing a fleur-de-lis. The on on the right in one of the turrets simple has a trumpet. This seal was also in use, usually countersigned by the mayor's personal seal, until the 16th century.

James Fawckner Nicholls and John Taylor in "Bristol Past and Present" describe another seal that was in use during the reign of Henry VIII (reigned from 1509 to 1547). They say that this seal shows a castle with two warders on separate towers, both blowing trumpets. The bow of a ship is seen leaving the watergate flying a Royal Standard that shows the arms of England and France with the number fleur-de-lis in the first quarter reduced to three, a change that took place in the reign of Henry V, who was King of England from 1413 to 1422.

Whilst searching online for information for these pages I came across the website at Florida Educational Technology Clearinghouse which shows another version of the city seal...

City of Bristol seal

Arms of the City of Bristol
From left to right these date from the 14th, 16th and 17th centuries
Image from "John Cabot" by Marquis of Dufferin and Ava, published in Scribner's Magazine, Vol XXII, 1897

Crest and Supporters

The biggest change to Bristol's arms came on 20th August, 1569 when Bristol was granted the right add supporters, the golden unicorns, and a crest, the arms rising through the clouds holding a serpent and scales it's arms. John Latimer in "Sixteenth Century Bristol" explains how this came about.

In 1558, Queen Elizabeth I ascended the throne. Until then the annual muster of the "trained bands" had been largely ignored by Bristol, as well as most other cities. The governement started to insist that the annual muster of trained, armed men should take place and in 1561, some rusty old armour was found and dusted off. Twenty men were sent off with a quantity of gunpowder to the Gloucestershire muster with 6s 8d each for their trouble. They were not a success and their inclusion in the muster was regarded as derogatory.

The city chamberlain was dispatched to London to plead for a reaffirmation of the city's rights and privileges which was granted. A little "grease" to oil the wheels of beaurocracy had to be applied though. For example, the Earl of Pembroke who was Lord High Steward of Bristol received a butt of sack - that is, 108 gallons of sweet wine, for his inconvenience. Amongst other things, the privileges meant that Bristol would now carry out its own annual musters.

To add splendor to the muster, Latimer tells us that "12 ells of sarsanet, red, blue and yellow was purchased in London for £5 3s to make an ensign for the troops which was decorated with two buttons of gold and tassells. Sarsanet was a type of silk first imported by the Crusaders. An ell was a measure of cloth. 1 ell = 20 nails = 5 quarters (of the yard) = 45 inches. Also purchased were two drums to provide the marching beat.

The next year the muster was carried out on the Marsh in Bristol where men with new uniforms were gathered. Payment of the troops cost the city £4 16s 8d. It was at this muster where feelings began to arise that what Bristol really needed was a crest and supporters to for its arms - just like London had theirs. The new crest and supporters cost Bristol £7, and once that was granted, a further £4 for a new seal engraved by goldsmith Giles Unyt.

By 1570, the city could muster 160 men with new uniforms, equipment and guns with enough for 20 more stored in the Guildhall. The uniforms cost the city another £65 and consisted of cassocks with laced sleeves, breeches and iron corslets. This was quite a sizable force for a city of 6,000 inhabitants as Bristol then was.

John Evans in his 1824 book "A Chronological Outline of the History of Bristol and the Stranger's Guide" describes the letter of patent...

By a patent of "Robert Cooke esq, alias Clariencieux, principall and kinge of armes of the southe easte and weste partes of this realme of England from the river of Trente southewardes," the arms of the City of Bristol are declared to be "gules on a mount vert, issuant out of a castle silver upon wave, a ship golde;" and the crest and supporters now granted, "upon the heaulme in a wreathe golde and gules; issuant out of the cloudes two armes in saltour charnew, in the one hand a serpent vert, in the other a pair of balance gold; supported with two unicornes seant gold mained, horned; and clayed sables mantled gules dowbled silver." The motto, "Virtute et industria."

The full text of this letter of patent is in both "Proceedings of the Clifton Antiquarian Club for 1904 - 1908" and John Latimer's "Sixteenth Century Bristol"

To ALL AND SINGULAR AS WELL NOBLES AND GENTLEMEN and others to whom these presents shall come Robert Cooke esquire alias Clarencieux, Principall Heraulte and kinge of armes of the southe easte and weste partes of this realme of England from the river of trent southwardes sendithe humble comendacons and greeting FORASMOCHAS aunciently from the begining the valiaunt and vertuous actes of worthi persons have ben comended to the worlde with sondry monumets and remembrances of their good deserts, emongst the which the chiefest and most usuall hathe ben the bearing of signes in shildes caled armes which are evident demonstracons of prowes diversly distributed accordinge to the qualities and deserts of the persons meretinge the same to the end that suche as have done comendable service to their prince or country eyther in warre or peace may both receave due honor in their lives and also derive the same successively to their posteretie after them.

AND WHEREAS THIS CITIE OF BRISTOLL hath of long time ben incorporate by the name of mayor and comonalty as by the moste noble prince of famouse memory Kinge Edward the third and laitely confirmed by the Quenes Majestie that now is by the name and names as is aforesaid by virtue of which corporation and sithens the first grant thereof there hathe ben auncient armes incident unto the said mayor and comonaltie that is to saye, gules, on a mount vert issuant out of a castle silver, uppon wave a ship golde, YET NOT UPSTANDING, UPPON divers consideratons they have required me the said Clarencieux kinge of armes to grant to their auncient armes a creaste, withe supportars due and lawfull to be borne, WHEREUPPON, CONSIDERING their worthines and knowenge their request to be reasonable, I have by vertue of my office of Clarencieux kinge of armes confirmed given and granted unto John Stone now mayor, John Hipsley recordar, David Harris, Willm Pepwell, Robert Sayer, Roger Jones and Willm Lawe, Aldermen, Thomas Crickland and Richard Yonge sherives, Robert Halton chamberlayn and Richard Willimot towneclarke, and to their successors in lief office, this Creaste and supportars herafter followenge that is to say, uppon the heaulme on a wreathe golde and gules, issuant out of the clowdes, two armes in saltour charnew in the one hand a serpent vert, in the other a pair of balance gold, supported with two unicorns seant gold mayned horned clayed sables mantled gules doubled silver as more playnely aperth depicted in the margent, To HAVE and HOLDE THE SAID armes creaste and supportars to the said mayor and comonalty and to their successors, and they it to use beare and shew for ever more without impediment let or interuption of any persons or persons, In Witness whereof I have subscribed my hande and set hereunto the seale of my office the fower and twentithe day of August in the yere of our Lorde God A thousand five hondrethe thre score and nyne, and in the eleventh yere of the reigne of our sovereigne lady Elizebethe, by the grace of God Quene of England France and Irelande, Defendor of the Faithe, et cet "Robert Cooke Alias Clarencieux" "Roy D'armes."

Notice that the full version does not mention the city's motto "Virtute et industria." The article in "Proceedings of the Clifton Antiquarian Club for 1904 - 1908" also gives an illustration of the city of Bristol arms...

City of Bristol arms
Image from "Proceedings of the Clifton Antiquarian Club for 1904 - 1908"

Symbolism

The various elements that make up the arms mean something. The oldest part, the ship and castle, are pretty obvious.. other elements not so much. The unicorns will only do homage to men of virtue, hence the unicorns are seant (seated) rather than rampant (rearing up on their hind legs). The arms in the crest signify that good government depends on wisdom (the serpent) and justice (the scales) and that these are divine gifts from above - which is why the arms are rising out of a cloud.

I've not found an explanation, or even a hint, of why the crest includes a helm. A search of internet heraldry websites does give a rough idea though. When included on arms the helm is placed above the shield and supports the crest. It does not always signify any particular achievement in armed conflict but the style does depend on the social rank of the bearer. Open helms were reserved for the nobility whilst closed helms, like that on the city's arms, were used for the commonality.

Two slightly different version of Bristol's arms

The Motto

Although the text in John Evans' 1824 book "A Chronological Outline of the History of Bristol and the Stranger's Guide" gives the impression that the motto was introduced at the same time as the crest and supporters, the full text of the letter of patent by Robert Cooke Alias Clarencieux makes no mention of it. Mary Williams, the City Archivist, in her 1984 book, "Civic Treasures of Bristol", says that...

"It is not known when Bristol first began to incorporate the motto "Virtute et Industria" (by Virtue and Industry), but this was possibly in the early eighteenth century."

Errors of Depiction

Alderman W. R. Barker J.P. (Justice of the Peace - a magistrate) made a study of the various forms of the arms and lamented on January 17th, 1908, as reported in "Proceedings of the Clifton Antiquarian Club for 1904 - 1908", the lack of conformity when reproducing the City of Bristol arms. He said "I might go so far as to say that every engraver and die-sinker, every printer and stationer, in dealing with our much-displayed city arms has put forward what has been most ready to hand, or what has appeared to make the prettiest picture, as the correct thing.

There are several common errors which can sometimes be seen. One is that instead of issuing from the castle's watergate the ship is sometimes seen passing in front of the castle, or in Alderman Barker's words "creeping round from behind the castle". Sometimes the unicorns are seen rampant (rearing on their hind legs) instead of sitting on their haunches or even one or both replaced by lions. Alderman Barker also decried the use of the city's arms being unofficially used by various organizations and businesses, especially when they made changes to the design.

Of course, some people are not happy with the addition of the crest and supporters at all. James Fawckner Nicholls and John Taylor in their 1881 book, "Bristol Past and Present" say...

I cannot conclude this paper without expressing my regret that such a crest should have been assigned by any king of arms to such a grand old coat as that which has for six centuries distinguished the city of Bristol. The unicorns, but for their unpicturesque attitude, might be accepted, though not in the least applicable to the city; but the crest is designed in the very worst style of heraldic composition.

They then illustrate the article with a version of the arms that Alderman Barker would not have liked at all as it shows the ship "creeping round from behind the castle"...

Image from "Bristol Past and Present" by James Fawckner Nicholls and John Taylor, published by J. W. Arrowsmith, 1881

Badge

As well as the seal and arms Bristol has a badge. Over the years many organizations and businesses have wanted to use all or portions of the arms as their logo or in advertising. The arms are properly reserved for the use of the city council but on 16th February, 1983, Bristol was granted the use of a badge for use by organizations other than the city council

City of Bristol badge

Image from "Civic Treasures of Bristol" by Mary E. Williams, published by City of Bristol, 1984

The badge symbolizes Bristol's maritime heritage and depicts the ship and castle surrounded by a rope. The fleur-de-lis represent the points of the compass and Bristol sailor's role in exploration.

Logo

Almost every department of the city council has its own logo as do organizations funded or sponsored by it. The main city council logo is a representation of the original seal of the city of Bristol...

Bristol City Council logo

There were other logos produced for special occasions or campaigns. One of the best was produced for the Bristol 600 celebrations in 1973 when Bristol celebrated it's 600th year of being a county in its own right...

Bristol 600 logo

Image from Bristol Evening Post, Bristol 600 souvenir program, 1973 This logo shows the supersonic airliner Concorde overflying a sailing ship. Concorde entered service in 1976 and was retired in 2003 - a remarkable length of time for a single type of civil aircraft.

[Fiale]

I've done some new ones... All these designs could be altered if needed, like the old robin and bridge design could be replaced with a new modern version. I've done a couple of crest designs too.

Could anyone put any of these designs onto a city shirt just to see what they look like? Then I could make up my mind if I like it or not.

Thanks.

Could you do one there the unicorns holding the city's shield are robins ?

[havanatopia]

Ok so it isn't BUT how would these forums feel about this design?

I tried to create a modern take of our "traditional kit" with the old school robin badge

Thoughts?

Apart from the Robin its a million miles better than the carp we have now.

Moreover... all red top... nothing but all red frankly will do me but it will never happen, all white shorts and the socks pretty much as you have them. pretty much spot on my babber. send it to City now.. get your submission in.

[Spike]

Two more designs for my "Premier League" season

[Ricardo 'Livi' Red]

Quality..

But I fear your delightful designs are not part of the standard Adidas portfolio..

You have to be Prem standard to get any 'Swansea' type treatment...

But have to admit it is about time the club listened to the fans about the badge..

Think it's th last Adidas year too......

[Swede]

It's better than the current season's effort which reflects the team

dull and forgettable

[Spike]

Quality..

But I fear your delightful designs are not part of the standard Adidas portfolio..

You have to be Prem standard to get any 'Swansea' type treatment...

But have to admit it is about time the club listened to the fans about the badge..

Think it's th last Adidas year too......

See I like Adidas as a brand, I like what they do but as a unique club I dislike the fact they essentially say "here are your choices, pick one and we'll stick your badge on it".

[bcfcsouth]

See I like Adidas as a brand, I like what they do but as a unique club I dislike the fact they essentially say "here are your choices, pick one and we'll stick your badge on it".

Its either that, or go back to someone useless like TFG.

[jambodinho]

Would love next years kits to have collars on them. Would also love the Robin badge back and a purple and lime away kit as it will mark 20 years since we wore that kit.

[T R]

I did this a few weeks ago but I never got around to putting it up on here. I just wanted to see what our home kit today would look like if it was changed.

[T R]

Would love next years kits to have collars on them. Would also love the Robin badge back and a purple and lime away kit as it will mark 20 years since we wore that kit.

We also had one of our greatest moments wearing that kit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a15G2NDiU78

[sglosbcfc]

I did this a few weeks ago but I never got around to putting it up on here. I just wanted to see what our home kit today would look like if it was changed.

I love the third one along, white blackthorn and the Robin badge, quality.

[HarryCardno]

should have a 115th anniversary kit

[East Yorkshire CideRed]

I did this a few weeks ago but I never got around to putting it up on here. I just wanted to see what our home kit today would look like if it was changed.

Loving the third one along. Just add white shorts and that would pretty much be my ideal kit.

[Greenman15]

Would love next years kits to have collars on them. Would also love the Robin badge back and a purple and lime away kit as it will mark 20 years since we wore that kit.

The problem with the Robins badge is it looks okay to some of the older people, but to people younger (like myself) and people outside the club, it looks really cheap and amateurish for a football club to have. Also, regardless of if we get a new stadium or update AG, it would look strange to have a nicely styled stadium but with a badge which looks like it was designed by some kid in school.

Also, as a club, we need to move forward, not focus on past badges and badly designed kits. All about the future, not the past.

[Tall King Blox]

Just a nice kit that we win in....red top, white shorts. and go faster stripes on the sides...a small ask