Safe Standing

[Blagdon red]

The seats will obstruct your view - so if you cannot use them as standing (with the seats used when it's necessary) your just ruining your own experience.

http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/myths/obstructed-view

As Populous, City's architects have shown for the new stadium, it is quite possible - pending new rules and regs about rail heights and deck gradients - to build a safe standing area using rail seats where excellent sightlines are provided whether the area is being used for standing or seated fans. See architect's drawings here.

[BCAGFC]

Look at points raised about this possible plan B.

If the area is poorly thought out the will be little appeal in being surrounded by barriers. The costs make it look poor sense.

But that is what Safe Standing is, barriers to stop fans piling on top of each other, like they did in the 70s.

So let's be clear, what, as an EEer, would you like the stand to be like EXACTLY?.

BCAGFC

[pongo88]

As Populous, City's architects have shown for the new stadium, it is quite possible - pending new rules and regs about rail heights and deck gradients - to build a safe standing area using rail seats where excellent sightlines are provided whether the area is being used for standing or seated fans. See architect's drawings here.

City could install the seats as shown on the safe standing website with instructions that fans must remain seated during football matches and fans can stand up for rugby. If fans should choose to stand during football matches………………………?

Of course this is too simplistic and won’t happen

[Roger Red Hat]

The seats will obstruct your view - so if you cannot use them as standing (with the seats used when it's necessary) your just ruining your own experience.

http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/myths/obstructed-view

The article states "you can comfortably see over the rail if you are of reasonable stature", and shows a photo of a reasonably statured chap.

[cider head]

I agree, safe standing in the Eastend is a must, although I'm pretty certain we can't do it until there is the go-ahead from the government/FA etc. Boxes in there are a no, have them either in the Ateyo and Williams or Williams and Dolman.

The inside design needs to be seen first but a proper 'stand' rather than a 'bowl' is essential. Hard to tell from the outside but it looks like a bowl + the Ateyo.

I love the thought if it staying at Ashton Gate and I prefer it to AV but the design can't stay as it is.

The East End would be transformed, with the corners between the Williams and Dolman Stands filled in to increase capacity and improve the acoustics in what would essentially be a bowl-shaped stadium.

I have no problem with AG being revamped and that of course that means a rebuild of the current EE area but my concern is getting the design right which as when the designs for AV came out a few fans were not over happy about the stands behind the goal and i can't say i like the look of the AV design so when the idea crops up for plan B for Ashton gate some lessons from the past should be learned on what fans require… There is a lot of good ideas but i just worry that it will be rushed and every decent idea crammed in to this new EE area? fans will be moved from the atyeo to???? posh boxes, safe standing with a massive high roof of a stand and so on, it's coming accross like lets chuck the corporate boxes, safe standing family stand, atyeo etc all in one area and see how they get on??? this could lead to that being away from home syndrone, i'm standing up no you sit down amongst fellow fans,, but above all the inside stand design would need to be right but i fear the design job looks already done without the consultation with any fan group??? .

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Bristol-City-fans-say-new-Ashton-Gate-stadium/story-18057799-detail/story.html#axzz2K6Qakctf

As i said i'm all for a revamp of Ashton gate but lets get the fine detail right as i also said about AV and moving that if the design and location for a move was right i would be all for it, sadly i did not warm to the AV design and that was too late in design planning of stands to have put any fan consultation in for any change, it all sounds like silly things but they all add up to be important to the way the match day experience works for various fans and we all just want to get it right

I'm reading back through various fan pages in the past which large chunks went un-headed for AV

Survey

http://www.bristolcityst.org.uk/trust_news/article000540.shtml

Build it with soul, and they will come

http://www.bristolcityst.org.uk/trust_news/article000507.shtml

Trust report

http://www.bristolcityst.org.uk/pdf/Comments%20Appendix%20I2.pdf

The lost stand

http://www.bcfc3lions.co.uk/page165.html

New stadium

http://www.bcfc3lions.co.uk/page115.html

[Cliftonville]

But that is what Safe Standing is, barriers to stop fans piling on top of each other, like they did in the 70s.

So let's be clear, what, as an EEer, would you like the stand to be like EXACTLY?.

BCAGFC

Traditional, enclosed, tight, minus boxes. A modern version of what exists and works very well. No feats of expensive engineering, or legislative changes needed.

[BCFC_Dan]

Traditional, enclosed, tight, minus boxes. A modern version of what exists and works very well. No feats of expensive engineering, or legislative changes needed.

There's no point in doing any of it if they don't build executive boxes.

[BCAGFC]

Traditional, enclosed, tight, minus boxes. A modern version of what exists and works very well. No feats of expensive engineering, or legislative changes needed.

Traditional, what does that mean?.

Enclosed, it will be.

Tight, I'm sure there is something in H&S about that one. Not that I agree with some H&S standards.

Boxes, to make the development worthwhile, they have to go somewhere. Will you actually worry about something that will be behind you?.

BCAGFC

[Cliftonville]

Traditional, what does that mean?.

Enclosed, it will be.

Tight, I'm sure there is something in H&S about that one. Not that I agree with some H&S standards.

Boxes, to make the development worthwhile, they have to go somewhere. Will you actually worry about something that will be behind you?.

BCAGFC

I politely suggest you check the clubs comments as you appear to be ill informed, maybe something else. The East End transformation mentioned shares little, or none of the "traditional" aspects of what can have been modernised in a re-build. Worry? No. I do understand why the commercialisation of a stand with boxes will affect it's ambiance, which would take me back to the earlier point. I feel it would/could be a total waste of money.

[The Bard]

I agree, safe standing in the Eastend is a must, although I'm pretty certain we can't do it until there is the go-ahead from the government/FA etc. Boxes in there are a no, have them either in the Ateyo and Williams or Williams and Dolman.

The inside design needs to be seen first but a proper 'stand' rather than a 'bowl' is essential. Hard to tell from the outside but it looks like a bowl + the Ateyo.

I love the thought if it staying at Ashton Gate and I prefer it to AV but the design can't stay as it is.

It's really simple. We build the ground with parts of it having the safe standing equipment in it. Simple. If the law remains that we must have all seats then the seats are used. These can be converted to standing areas for Rugby perfectly legally. When the Governing bodies and Governments finally agree to some kind of experiment, we'll be in the perfect position to be the stadium where it's trialed. I don't understand why it's so difficult or expensive. In practical terms it's a different kind of seating that can be removed easily.

[Red Knowle]

The current East End holds just over 5k officially, but with segregation and restricted views its actually down to around 3.5k. Of that, how many are home ST holders ? 1.5k is it (I have no idea if thats close) ?

The new East End stand will house around 6k which is considerably more than now.

Its obvious that there will be thousands more in the East End once its been rebuilt so will that not add to the experience and the atmosphere ? And will the majority who will use that stand want to stand up to watch a game ? I'll probably go there due to the improved facilities and the atmosphere but I don't want to stand up all game.

I think the needs of all should be taken into account, not just those who currently use that stand.

Its obvious that there will be thousands more in the East End once its been rebuilt so will that not add to the experience and the atmosphere ? Looking at the atyeo and not wanting to be rude no mate.

And will the majority who will use that stand want to stand up to watch a game ? Looking at other stands no and you would expect fans to switch to the stand from the atyeo. unreserved seating?? Add boxes and rules could become very strict on standing.

if it is built is going to be a very different stand to what it is now.

[glynriley]

It's really simple. We build the ground with parts of it having the safe standing equipment in it. Simple. If the law remains that we must have all seats then the seats are used. These can be converted to standing areas for Rugby perfectly legally. When the Governing bodies and Governments finally agree to some kind of experiment, we'll be in the perfect position to be the stadium where it's trialed. I don't understand why it's so difficult or expensive. In practical terms it's a different kind of seating that can be removed easily.

This is exactly what I've been thinking.

I've seen the Rugby bloke (Booy is it?) saying the rugger buggers will get used to sitting down , but they don't have to surely ?????

[bcfcsouth]

This is exactly what I've been thinking.

I've seen the Rugby bloke (Booy is it?) saying the rugger buggers will get used to sitting down , but they don't have to surely ?????

Wasn't the same said about football fans? That obviously has not happened.

[Sixtyseconds]

An Ashton Gate rebuild is surely the chance to do something really unique for this country and really capture the spirit of the East End of old - introduce safe standing!

Some has to really start the ball rolling, why not us??

You need to defend your thread to the death. This cynic chap wants to sit in your safe standing area, nothing will stop him!

[Roger Red Hat]

You need to defend your thread to the death. This cynic chap wants to sit in your safe standing area, nothing will stop him!

He wont be seeing much 'cos everyone else will be standing, safely!

Maybe he will have to re-locate to a safe sitting area.

[Monkeh]

I politely suggest you check the clubs comments as you appear to be ill informed, maybe something else. The East End transformation mentioned shares little, or none of the "traditional" aspects of what can have been modernised in a re-build. Worry? No. I do understand why the commercialisation of a stand with boxes will affect it's ambiance, which would take me back to the earlier point. I feel it would/could be a total waste of money.

the club miss out on 1 million pounds at least a season because we don't have these, with FFP we have to explore every avenue to try and increase revenue that could pay for the next Tom Ritchie in the future,

If you don't like the boxes then you are going to be very disapointed as thats the whole point of the new ground/rebuild its to bring no match day money in,

We can't last on ticket sales alone operating costs are 18 million our ticket revenue is 3 million do the maths we have to have them

[Cambridge Batch Red]

Nope.

If its safe standing, theres thousands of other seats to choose from in other stands - but with the improved facilities I wouldn't mind sitting behind the goal. I don't see safe standing as anything important or even relevant in this development - if the club do, then fine.

Miserable sod. Sit somewhere else.

[bcfcsouth]

Nope.

If its safe standing, theres thousands of other seats to choose from in other stands - but with the improved facilities I wouldn't mind sitting behind the goal. I don't see safe standing as anything important or even relevant in this development - if the club do, then fine.

Well i do, Who's opinion is more important? Mine or yours?

[Red Knowle]

Out of neccessity and practicallity it will be very different which is what I was saying.

Whichever option is decided AV or AG, the home end will be radically different to what it is now as, due to inproved facilities and views, there will be more "non-east enders" in the new stand (probably more than the current number of east enders) and their views need to be taken into account as well as current east enders.

I see that as a very good thing and could ensure a good atmosphere - the more in there the better surely ?

The club currently have a stand that ensures a good sometimes great atmosphere even with a poor team. changing that for something which looks a bit rubbish and you can see dragging noisy support down someway is no good thing. the club giot it wrong with the atyeo, it never became the end and here you can see it happening again. plenty of libaries around the championship as it is mate.

[Bcfc-Chris]

Would be absolutely gutted if there is no safe standing having had the Eastend taken from us. I suppose if there's a section (maybe to one side or even just at the back) where we can stand and have a sing then fine. But if I can't stand at football and sing, then **** paying for a ST. I'd come to the odd game, but the enjoyment wouldn't be there.

[Aizoon]

It's really simple. We build the ground with parts of it having the safe standing equipment in it. Simple. If the law remains that we must have all seats then the seats are used. These can be converted to standing areas for Rugby perfectly legally. When the Governing bodies and Governments finally agree to some kind of experiment, we'll be in the perfect position to be the stadium where it's trialed. I don't understand why it's so difficult or expensive. In practical terms it's a different kind of seating that can be removed easily.

That sounds remarkably sensible. It will, therefore, be ignored.

[Cliftonville]

the club miss out on 1 million pounds at least a season because we don't have these, with FFP we have to explore every avenue to try and increase revenue that could pay for the next Tom Ritchie in the future,

If you don't like the boxes then you are going to be very disapointed as thats the whole point of the new ground/rebuild its to bring no match day money in,

We can't last on ticket sales alone operating costs are 18 million our ticket revenue is 3 million do the maths we have to have them

I answered a question regarding the physical enclosure of a design.

It is clear that this designs focus is to house corporate boxes, which is different to what the club claim in the press.

Pretty sure Tom Ritchie cost next to nothing, maybe you mean Steve!

[Welcome To The Jungle]

Safe Standing Wherever we go http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/20130207-safestanding-642559.aspx Also carlsburg will be cheaper for the last 5 games. In the safe standing article

[CityRobin08]

Am I the only person who has read an article saying the new Ashton Gate will have exec boxes incorporated into the new 'Eastend'?

[Roger Red Hat]

Safe Standing Wherever we go http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/20130207-safestanding-642559.aspx Also carlsburg will be cheaper for the last 5 games. In the safe standing article

Still £3 for a pot of piss, £3 too much.

[Jordan Tansley]

Still £3 for a pot of piss, £3 too much.

I think people should be paid to drink that crap, not pay for the privilege...

[Bryans Left Peg]

The seats will obstruct your view - so if you cannot use them as standing (with the seats used when it's necessary) your just ruining your own experience.

http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/myths/obstructed-view

Hi, Did you read the paragraph?

It calls it a "myth" that it blocks your view.

"Over 99% of the time they 100% would not obstruct any fans' view!"

[Fiale]

Hi, Did you read the paragraph?

It calls it a "myth" that it blocks your view.

"Over 99% of the time they 100% would not obstruct any fans' view!"

Maybe you should actually read it - it says that because most games have safe standing and only 1% of games have a requirement for seating, therfore it will not block views in 99% of cases.

So if legislation is not in place, and they have to be used as seats then they currently do block your view in 100% of cases - however Brandon did link a report that showed that by increasing the stand incline just a little it can still work. As they will probably be built before safe standing legislation is changed, I am guessing they will have to raise the incline, which is a pain, as if it was legal then the stands incline could be shallower.

[Cowshed]

Am I the only person who has read an article saying the new Ashton Gate will have exec boxes incorporated into the new 'Eastend'?

No you are not.

If a stand with boxes was built under ths alternative could this not mean the stand can never have any form of standing area?

Also, if the emphasis is on boxes and families what would be the point?

[chipdawg]

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