TRUEBRIT66 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 You let him try and put right the others mistakes He couldn't do it so you ask him to redecorate that mess So why not let the first decorator do that ? Nothings shown you that either have supplied a better job but your giving the second one a chance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 No and neither is a polite reply. What about you Lew, lets use your decorating a house theroy shall we...................your next decorator does the next room and produces a equally if not worse job do you let him finish the rest of the house on that hope he eventually gets it right or fire him ? Next room? So he leaves the damage does he? Don't think so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 You studying politics JT by any chance ? So by your candid response can I say you would advocate a full "long term" season even if we have a very poor start ie: our current form ? History, TB. Essentially politics though. Yes, a full season and more. Poor start is expected from me with what will undoubtedly be an entirely new side. There's rarely been a side that doesn't take 10 games to gel properly anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUEBRIT66 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 History, TB. Essentially politics though. Yes, a full season and more. Poor start is expected from me with what will undoubtedly be an entirely new side. There's rarely been a side that doesn't take 10 games to gel properly anyway. Your good, future MP Im sure Why not allow McInnes that luxury,complete a full season ? After all he even managed to keep us up when he took over . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUEBRIT66 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Next room? So he leaves the damage does he? Don't think so! Ahhhhhh right so youd keep him there and make sure he did the job correctly before getting rid and getting the new decorator in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 We've witnessed a vast improvement in organisation and performance vast improvement in home results but zero away from home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Your good, future MP Im sure Why not allow McInnes that luxury,complete a full season ? After all he even managed to keep us up when he took over . Because he only kept us up through massive expenditure on short term fixes, given the summer months he achieved nothing with his signings by ignoring the obvious weaknesses in the squad. When Del was sacked it was obvious he was not ever going to be the man for the job. I should point out that I backed del til very close to the end, I wanted him to get the chance to fix the mess but it became apparent he simply wasn't capable of doing so. Nothing I have seen from SOD has indicated to me we are in a worse shape than under Del, performances have improved, results will follow as that continues. That's his mantra and it's one I completely agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 We've witnessed a vast improvement in organisation and performance vast improvement in home results but zero away from home Very true. O'Driscoll plays a more attacking way at AG which is why results improved until recently). Away results have been frankly terrible but O'Driscoll says its because he hasn't had the players to play the same style as he does at AG. Make of that what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUEBRIT66 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Because he only kept us up through massive expenditure on short term fixes, given the summer months he achieved nothing with his signings by ignoring the obvious weaknesses in the squad. When Del was sacked it was obvious he was not ever going to be the man for the job. I should point out that I backed del til very close to the end, I wanted him to get the chance to fix the mess but it became apparent he simply wasn't capable of doing so. Nothing I have seen from SOD has indicated to me we are in a worse shape than under Del, performances have improved, results will follow as that continues. That's his mantra and it's one I completely agree with. We will have to agree to disagree on bits of this JT as Im not seeing a great deal of any improvement and as I keep saying and getting ignored, if we continue on current form it will be worse than when McInnes left, so will struggle to find positives in that ! Any ways good on you for giving a reasonable debate, time will tell I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUEBRIT66 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Very true. O'Driscoll plays a more attacking way at AG which is why results improved until recently). Away results have been frankly terrible but O'Driscoll says its because he hasn't had the players to play the same style as he does at AG. Make of that what you will. So we have the players at home to play attacking football but not away ? I dont know what to make of that ! What about you Robbo how many games next season if we continue current form ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 We will have to agree to disagree on bits of this JT as Im not seeing a great deal of any improvement and as I keep saying and getting ignored, if we continue on current form it will be worse than when McInnes left, so will struggle to find positives in that ! Any ways good on you for giving a reasonable debate, time will tell I guess. Fair enough. Just a few examples of improvement for you though. No clean sheets before SOD, now we have a few and look much stronger at the back (at home anyway having only conceded 2 twice) We look much more focused in out attacks rather than leaving it to chance and luck like Del did. There are clear and obvious tactics that the team are playing to which are generally justified by the managers assessment of the opposition. Sometimes they don't work, but that's true of any team. This all with a team that are grossly incompetent at this level and have been assembled with no plan or formation in mind. Nothing Del did in the summer makes any sense. His purchases all smack of panic buying bar Cunningham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Fair enough. Just a few examples of improvement for you though. No clean sheets before SOD, now we have a few and look much stronger at the back (at home anyway having only conceded 2 twice) We look much more focused in out attacks rather than leaving it to chance and luck like Del did. There are clear and obvious tactics that the team are playing to which are generally justified by the managers assessment of the opposition. Sometimes they don't work, but that's true of any team. This all with a team that are grossly incompetent at this level and have been assembled with no plan or formation in mind. Nothing Del did in the summer makes any sense. His purchases all smack of panic buying bar Cunningham. we concided at home against Barnsley Bolton and Birmingham, but your point still stands, 5 game bad run lets replace the manager, Lets do a blackburn and have 5 in one season look how much good its done them, He came in at the end of the transfer window with a wage bill 160% of our turnover and you wonder why he couldn't do much in terms of bringing in his own players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Ahhhhhh right so youd keep him there and make sure he did the job correctly before getting rid and getting the new decorator in ? No you've missed my point. I meant the new decorator would move onto a next room before re-starting the damaged one? Papering the cracks, something that we've done and need to learn from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUEBRIT66 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 we concided at home against Barnsley Bolton and Birmingham, but your point still stands, 5 game bad run lets replace the manager, Lets do a blackburn and have 5 in one season look how much good its done them, He came in at the end of the transfer window with a wage bill 160% of our turnover and you wonder why he couldn't do much in terms of bringing in his own players? Monkeh not sure if thats directed at me but Im not advocating a change of manager Im giving a different perspective. We all want stability just dont see what SOD has done to show that "yet" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUEBRIT66 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 No you've missed my point. I meant the new decorator would move onto a next room before re-starting the damaged one? Papering the cracks, something that we've done and need to learn from. Your missing mine , the new decorator is just as bad so why let him continue as well ? Any way as every poster on here, apart from JT, has skipped answering the question because they dont hold his convictions deep down Im going to leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Monkeh not sure if thats directed at me but Im not advocating a change of manager Im giving a different perspective. We all want stability just dont see what SOD has done to show that "yet" not really just at people in genreal calling for a change or getting on his back already, He like Millen (who i didn't want) and McInnes needs a full pre-season and at least until xmas before we can actually judge him, He's come in fire fighting, and to a degree we did, we improved as a team, but there are far to many wasters here not putting a shift in, any manager head coach whatever who comes if is working with a blindfold and both hands tied behind their backs due to the amount of crap here picked up by 3 of our previous 4 manager (Coppell McInnes and Millen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniro Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Under SOD we've got 18 points from an available 51 points - roughly 35% Under DM we got 22 from 78 which is about 28%. If SOD had kept that rate through a whole season (35% of available 138 points) we'd have 48 points at the end of the season. If DM were in charge we'd have ended up with 38 points - (we're on 40 now) We'd still have been relegated but I guess we're all hoping that he can improve on that performance next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUEBRIT66 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 not really just at people in genreal calling for a change or getting on his back already, He like Millen (who i didn't want) and McInnes needs a full pre-season and at least until xmas before we can actually judge him, He's come in fire fighting, and to a degree we did, we improved as a team, but there are far to many wasters here not putting a shift in, any manager head coach whatever who comes if is working with a blindfold and both hands tied behind their backs due to the amount of crap here picked up by 3 of our previous 4 manager (Coppell McInnes and Millen) On his back yes, because expectations were high, but calling for a management change I havent seen (apart from a few sags) to be honest. Im suprised youve said Xmas as that was roughly when DM was sacked and would leave us in exactly the same postion as we are now if we are in that position again ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 So only 10% down to McInnes then? If you take results from when O'Driscoll took over and put the average over the season City would have been comfortably in mid-table had he been in charge all season. We'd still be bottom. P17 W5 D3 L9 = 18pts.Average 1.05 per game over our current 43 games = 45 points. That is with a squad of players he's not signed of course. Still , he's got the whole summer to start building a squad in his own image now. Good luck Sean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Long walk to Whorefield Jordan. Gas. Yeah cos everyone who disagrees with your opinion must be a Rovers fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Next season will be when we see the real SOD, it will be his team, his preperation, his way of doing things. He'll not have an excuse then. Thats when I'll judge him, Im mightily pissed off we're relegated, but not suprised with the rabble he inherited. Next season we'll see what he can do, and please god the rabble has been moved out.. He doesnt come across particularly well in interviews it has to be said. And you do need to have a relationship with the press wether you like it or not as a manager. the I dont look at the league tables quotes piss me off, cos its all about league tables... Still next season we'll see now... Didn't we say that about McKinnes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddab Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 So only 10% down to McInnes then? If you take results from when O'Driscoll took over and put the average over the season City would have been comfortably in mid-table had he been in charge all season. sod came here with 60 points to play for and has at this point got 19 that is less then 33 % most managers get the sack for less? dont only blame the players, he had most of the jan window and the whole of the loan window! Mcinnes found them bikey etc the jury is still out with me, i think sod is a one trick pony with tactics etc, thats why doncaster and forest got rid, time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Didn't we say that about McKinnes? Yes. And about Millen. And about Gary Johnson. Sometimes it works. Most times we just end up with another load of players that the next manager won't want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 http://www.footballformguide.net/form/npower-championship Worrying trend to go into the post season with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcnick Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 One question I'd like to asl SO'D is this :- Given your philosophy is that it is all about performance and other factors such as the league table position, points on the board etc are irrelevant then why do you let an external factor such as venue influence your decision making? In other words why change the style of play and tactics just because the blades of grass are in a differnet lcation? I'd also ask him ifr he agrees that failing to look at the points on the board mean he might fail to put out a team capable of an attacking goal scoring performance when the points require that rather than set up for an away draw when stranded at the bottom of the table in need of wins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 My god, this is quite honestly the most retarded thing I've ever read. Do yourself a favour and take a long walk. Oh sorry, I forgot you're the authority on everything Bristol City. So what's your theory for the disastrous run of results then, smart*arse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Didn't we say that about McKinnes? Difference is SO'D has done it before at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Your missing mine , the new decorator is just as bad so why let him continue as well ? Any way as every poster on here, apart from JT, has skipped answering the question because they dont hold his convictions deep down Im going to leave it. Not true. Statistics show that, I really can't be arsed to look but I remember looking at one of threads and somebody said with stats that with a full season with SOD in charge, we would of finished something like 14th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUEBRIT66 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Not true. Statistics show that, I really can't be arsed to look but I remember looking at one of threads and somebody said with stats that with a full season with SOD in charge, we would of finished something like 14th. Right, not this one then that was posted earlier ? Not a full season but based on the last 12 very important games, its all there in Red Yellow and Green http://www.footballformguide.net/form/npower-championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Not true. Statistics show that, I really can't be arsed to look but I remember looking at one of threads and somebody said with stats that with a full season with SOD in charge, we would of finished something like 14th. True but didn't Millen, DMC and now SOD all gain initial success from the 'bounce' effect is it and then the players took over the running of the club once more to rack another managerial casualty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.