Oops Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 This forum is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Wonga screw people over when they need money,Casino's are the reason why some people have no money. Cisse isn't taking the "moral" highground.So, your point of view is that anybody who has ever been to a casino is not allowed to disapprove of those who screw people over for money? I don't see it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 This forum is a joke. Only if you take it too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinnionForEngland Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Im on my phone so dont know how to respond directly to 'ned' but a religion is important to people, yes? Or is it not? I'm an athiest but respect people of different religions, that respect starts to lessen when they seem to be able to make up their own rules, which clearly applies in the case of Cisse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tins Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 So, your point of view is that anybody who has ever been to a casino is not allowed to disapprove of those who screw people over for money? I don't see it myself. Casino's do screw people over for money too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oops Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Only if you take it too seriously. Which I don't. Still an embarrassment though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolCity1992 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Wonga screw people over when they need money, Casino's are the reason why some people have no money. Cisse isn't taking the "moral" highground. Going by that though there are so many things that Cisse could potentially not do. Just because I stand up against a company like Wonga are you then saying I can't have a drink just because it can ruin people's lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tins Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Going by that though there are so many things that Cisse could potentially not do. Just because I stand up against a company like Wonga are you then saying I can't have a drink just because it can ruin people's lives? Drinking is against his religion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Im on my phone so dont know how to respond directly to 'ned' but a religion is important to people, yes? Or is it not? I'm an athiest but respect people of different religions, that respect starts to lessen when they seem to be able to make up their own rules, which clearly applies in the case of Cisse.I guess I'm an atheist who doesn't respect or care about religions because they are all inconsistent made up rules that people follow when they feel like it, so I'm unsurprised and not bothered by when someone exhibits that.I still think the most important thing here by a chuffing mile is that Newcastle are taking money from a company happy to stitch up their less well off fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinnionForEngland Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 What is the point in religion if nothing in that religion is considered serious by those either in, or out of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 What is the point in religion if nothing in that religion is considered serious by those either in, or out of it?To control people and centralise power and wealth in a few old men usually. But that's probably for another thread.Reconcile Jesus smashing up money lenders' stalls in a temple with the Vatican Bank being the largest landowner in the world... this stuff is rife in every religion, so how can anybody take any of them seriously?Why is it ok for Newcastle to help a company that exploits the poor get more exposure with their fans? I'd be livid if that were us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Do you know anything about either company? I know they both offer loans / credit. Buisness models aside Lord Sugar, how are they any different for in respect of Islamic principles? Where in the Quran does it say, thou shall not engage in the promotion of payday loan companies? The guy is clearly a hypocrite anyway and needs to focus on this form for the new season as last term he was pretty mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolCity1992 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I know they both offer loans / credit. Buisness models aside Lord Sugar, how are they any different for in respect of Islamic principles? Where in the Quran does it say, thou shall not engage in the promotion of payday loan companies? The guy is clearly a hypocrite anyway and needs to focus on this form for the new season as last term he was pretty mediocre. They are completely different. It's true that virgin are not ethical but Wonga are totally different. He has every right to stand up for something that he believes in and his point is not any less valid because of this. I wish there were more people that would make a stand and maybe these companies wouldn't get away with it. It would be like saying he is hypocrite for having his money in HSBC because they lend money too. Stupid. I bank with triodos by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 They are completely different. It's true that virgin are not ethical but Wonga are totally different. He has every right to stand up for something that he believes in and his point is not any less valid because of this. I wish there were more people that would make a stand and maybe these companies wouldn't get away with it. It would be like saying he is hypocrite for having his money in HSBC because they lend money too. Stupid. I bank with triodos by the way. Well we don't know what he believes in because despite all this as others have mentioned there is no direct quote from his mouth. As far as I am aware Wonga do not break the law. There are loads of products within sponsorship that if used incorrectly can damage lives. I also have never heard of triodos. So yeah maybe I am stupid, thanks for pointing that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 He can do what the hell he likes within the law! Wonga and their like are a parasitic proxy nightmare sucking a living from the weak and destitute, exploiting the vulnerable is not something I would be happy to see my Club taking part it. Any person of sound mind would refuse to wear with Wonga on it regardless, who are we to judge him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Where do wonga get there money from, what bank has lent it to them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolCity1992 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Well we don't know what he believes in because despite all this as others have mentioned there is no direct quote from his mouth. As far as I am aware Wonga do not break the law. There are loads of products within sponsorship that if used incorrectly can damage lives. I also have never heard of triodos. So yeah maybe I am stupid, thanks for pointing that out. I never said you were stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I never said you were stupid. Sorry mate looked like it from your last post. It's late I prob read it wrong. With a cider brand as our sponsor i just think we should just be careful what companies we accuse of ruining the lives of the poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Well we don't know what he believes in because despite all this as others have mentioned there is no direct quote from his mouth. As far as I am aware Wonga do not break the law. There are loads of products within sponsorship that if used incorrectly can damage lives. I also have never heard of triodos. So yeah maybe I am stupid, thanks for pointing that out. Would rape be ok if there was no law of protection? use your moral compass, these companys are nothing but a cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Where do wonga get there money from, what bank has lent it to them? Well, money gets passed around by clever people, the object of the game is to pass it around and whoever can get the most money by whatever means wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Would rape be ok if there was no law of protection? use your moral compass, these companys are nothing but a cancer. Fair enough, I respect your opinion. I personally don't see anything wrong with these companies. Their charges are up front and if used correctly probably could be quite useful. Anyone thinking they present a long term financial solution to debt problems should never (IMO) be allowed to handle money and/or breed. Anyway, stay out of the casinos Papa and get back to smashing in those rockets like that goal against chelski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I never said you were stupid. Don't be calling him stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moloch Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I really think he's undermined any credibility he had on this. On the other hand, I would love to see all the "pay-day" lenders banned. They are truly parasites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Refuses to play for Newcastle for religious reasons whilst they have Wonga printed across their shirts, but now pictured sat at a playing table in a Newcastle Casino back in November. Silly boy. I feel a little sorry for him, on the face of it, it looks a little hypocritical and it is against his faith. However his faith maybe weak, and from time to time he may not be a good person. But a moment of weakness is different to endorsing week in week out a company that exclusively screws the needy that is very much wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 It is all to do with religion. Have you read the link? You cant pick and choose with religious beliefs, it's all or nothing, otherwise why have religion atall? Islam is much more complex than that, however there is no doubt that gambling in a casino is forbidden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moloch Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Is Papa his nickname? I thought it was Dave, because of his middle name being Rodney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Fair enough, I respect your opinion. I personally don't see anything wrong with these companies. Their charges are up front and if used correctly probably could be quite useful. Anyone thinking they present a long term financial solution to debt problems should never (IMO) be allowed to handle money and/or breed. Anyway, stay out of the casinos Papa and get back to smashing in those rockets like that goal against chelski. I understand how they can appear deceptive. the comparisons between Wonga and a casino are small, I know exactly the odds in a Casino and I can play knowing the odds. Wonga and their like destroy people lives and make massive profit in doing do, thats profit for them, tragedy for the persons they just exploited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 I feel a bit of deja vu; this story was discussed on this forum weeks ago.. has something new come along on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 Wonga has a business model specifically designed to exploit people who are already in a lot of financial trouble. Much like Casino's then really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tins Posted July 24, 2013 Report Share Posted July 24, 2013 I understand how they can appear deceptive. the comparisons between Wonga and a casino are small, I know exactly the odds in a Casino and I can play knowing the odds. Wonga and their like destroy people lives and make massive profit in doing do, thats profit for them, tragedy for the persons they just exploited. You also know the interest rates with Wonga, even though its extortionate. Only difference is you won't get addicted with Wonga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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