'deal Struck' Over Ashton Vale

[BS34Red]

the same thing happened when the mod was built at filton people moving into the area and whining about the airfield, one of these people said to me why was a runway built and why do aircraft fly over bradley stoke, the airfield should never have been built, she looked slightly bemused as i was doubled over laughing hysterically, and just could not accept that the airfield was there before the houses. some people should not be allowed out unaided ::

If you use i hope sl turns the land into a mushroom c=farm or recycling centre that'll learn em

What makes me laugh is the houses next to the airport were build to accommodate the workers!! I live in the new development next to the airfield and tbh I miss all the planes. Seeing things like the a380 and the military planes etc wasn't something everyone could see out of their kitchen window.

I got to admit the police and ambulance helicopters are slightly annoying especially in the middle of the night when they fly right over the house and each landing and take off create noise for ten mins each time but then I just think we'll they were here before me so I have no right to complain.

[Aizoon]

Hedgehog has it right; cunning plans by SL.

I wonder if hedgehogs have a cunning plan when they try and cross a road? I do hope SL's plan is far more cunning.

Natural selection is already favouring hedgehogs that have longer legs and run across the road. In a million years time they'll be traffic-proof. Whether there will be cars and lorries by then is a very different matter

[Major Isewater]

Think the leaving early is mainly down to poor exit roots out of the Dolman as apose to congestion reasons.

Would there really be 1000 parking spaces at AV, and how much of a nightmare would it be with 1000 cars all trying to leave the same car park at the same time!? That sounds like more of a nightmare to me.

As for public transport, the new train station would be done for AG or AV.

I leave before the kick off to avoid the traffic

[CotswoldRed]

If you worked those type of hours you ain't middle class. The middle classes sit on their arses and order the working classes about to generate wealth for them. Unfortunately too many working class people are apathetic or uneducated to do anything about it e.g. Bankers screw the country over and the working classes face huge cuts in all services - health, education etc.

Really? I can't remember sitting on my arse doing nothing and ordering people about.

That view is just the lazy simplistic one.

[B-Rizzle]

I leave before the kick off to avoid the traffic

I'm sure there are many others that do too. My point was that the vast majority of peope that leave early are in the Dolman and the vast majority of them probably leave because of the poor exit roots as apose to congestion issues.

[Major Isewater]

Can't they build a carpark on some waste ground behind David Lloyd…

underground perhaps ?

[pongo88]

I leave before the kick off to avoid the traffic

i always leave the day before at midnight. Not much traffic then

[Port Said Red]

Sounds good fb, but what was the initial outlay on all those panels, pumps and such?

When do you expect to break even?

You can't use the excess for such luxuries such as council tax and insurance or food if you have a whooping £50k loan to pay off can you, otherwise we'd all be doing it wouldn't we?

Break even would depend upon inflation - but I reckon 8 to 9 years. Bear in mind that the income is RPI linked and tax free - so you would have to work out how much you would need to earn before tax to make a fair comparison. The kit has come down in price since I bought mine. As a former Chartered Financial Planner I have gone in to the sums carefully before deciding that it was a "goer".

My view would be that it matches in with the clubs idea of a "long term plan" Who knows where fossil fuel prices are going? The idea of being almost self sufficient could start to look very sensible. I would suggest that the cost of incorporating these things into the infrastructure of a new/redeveloped stadium would be much cheaper than trying to add them at a later date.

Wouldn't it be one in the eye to the "green" campaigners if we were able to show that our carbon footprint was lower than all the houses surrounding the ground put together?

[chipdawg]

My view would be that it matches in with the clubs idea of a "long term plan" Who knows where fossil fuel prices are going? The idea of being almost self sufficient could start to look very sensible. I would suggest that the cost of incorporating these things into the infrastructure of a new/redeveloped stadium would be much cheaper than trying to add them at a later date.

Wouldn't it be one in the eye to the "green" campaigners if we were able to show that our carbon footprint was lower than all the houses surrounding the ground put together?

I don't think it's quite a simple as "let's just whack some panels up". Firstly, we'd need planning permission for it, which while i don't think it'd be difficult to get, its another delay. Any existing canopies/roofs being retained (which initially is at least 2 sides of the ground I believe?) would have to undergo extensive testing as to whether they could support the extra stress, then we'd also have to create access for maintenance. Maintenance, by the way, that would have to be carried put regularly and by trained, specialist operatives who won't be cheap. Don't get me wrong; I think it's a great idea- whack a couple of turbines up there while we're at it I say- but i don't think it's quite the no-brainer some others feel it is

[Bat Fastard]

My view would be that it matches in with the clubs idea of a "long term plan" Who knows where fossil fuel prices are going? The idea of being almost self sufficient could start to look very sensible. I would suggest that the cost of incorporating these things into the infrastructure of a new/redeveloped stadium would be much cheaper than trying to add them at a later date.

Wouldn't it be one in the eye to the "green" campaigners if we were able to show that our carbon footprint was lower than all the houses surrounding the ground put together?

Given the size of the roof areas concerned, there is plenty of scope to provide huge amounts of PV generated electricity and sufficient hot water for much of the year. In the summer months the club could generate enough income to make a very big difference to the cause - and the income stream is currently guaranteed for 25 years. Many installers would do a really cheap price just to get the bragging rights in the industry. All City would need to do is read the meters and make sure they keep the panels reasonably clean. If the plan is to run the club on a sustainable basis, this kind of RPI linked and tax free income could be a useful addition.

[downendcity]

the same thing happened when the mod was built at filton people moving into the area and whining about the airfield, one of these people said to me why was a runway built and why do aircraft fly over bradley stoke, the airfield should never have been built, she looked slightly bemused as i was doubled over laughing hysterically, and just could not accept that the airfield was there before the houses. some people should not be allowed out unaided : :

If you use i hope sl turns the land into a mushroom c=farm or recycling centre that'll learn em

On a similar but slightly different basis, an American tourist was overheard talking to her friend in Windsor.

"Gee, that sure is a beautiful castle but I don't understand why the Royal Family built it right on the Heathrow flight path?"

[wayne allisons tongues]

With the club putting on the website support the link road, does anyone know when the closing date for application is.

Wouldn't it make sense for link road to get clearance and then club can say Ashton vale can be built due to land in area changing so can build on it now.

Would make sense why club have delayed av meeting till later.

[SimonL]

Yes Wayne Allisons tongues that make sence. If you look at the planning documents it has a rapid transit stopping at Ashton Vale.

[ciderup]

Once again it beggars the question if the Northern part of AV is sanctioned as TVG and then the link road goes ahead, will the TVG sanction be reclassified?

Apologies if I'm being dumb here!

[Gazred]

A map of the proposed route can found here in PDF form...

http://travelwest.info/sites/default/files/SBL_JAN13.pdf

Ive no idea if that cuts through or effects the AV stadium site village green though.

[RedRaw]

Once again it beggars the question if the Northern part of AV is sanctioned as TVG and then the link road goes ahead, will the TVG sanction be reclassified?

Apologies if I'm being dumb here!

Once the road crosses over the railway line heading towards the AV site, it spears off so that cars etc head towards a new junction on the A370 and buses head along a strip that will be built on the Bristol/North Somerset border line and link up with the park and ride. At no point does it impede on either the southern or northen sites of AV

[ciderup]

Once the road crosses over the railway line heading towards the AV site, it spears off so that cars etc head towards a new junction on the A370 and buses head along a strip that will be built on the Bristol/North Somerset border line and link up with the park and ride. At no point does it impede on either the southern or northen sites of AV

It encloses it though doesn't it?

[RedRaw]

It encloses it though doesn't it?

Yes, it would appear to seal the boundary line and enclose the whole of the AV site.

It would become a prime piece of development land that could allow a 'village green' to be created on the south site bounded by the houses and a more larger development on the north site bounded by an industrial estate, sports centre and park and ride.....I dunno, something like a football stadium........oh yea

[ciderup]

Yes, it would appear to seal the boundary line and enclose the whole of the AV site.

It would become a prime piece of development land that could allow a 'village green' to be created on the south site bounded by the houses and a more larger development on the north site bounded by an industrial estate, sports centre and park and ride.....I dunno, something like a football stadium........oh yea

SO... does the TVG (if gained) status change to urban expansion (ie we can build on it) once the relief rd is built?

[RedRaw]

SO... does the TVG (if gained) status change to urban expansion (ie we can build on it) once the relief rd is built?

I would imagine not.......other land within the expanded area could be put up for development but if a piece of land has already been granted TVG, I assume it cant be touched.

[ciderup]

I would imagine not.......other land within the expanded area could be put up for development but if a piece of land has already been granted TVG, I assume it cant be touched.

Thanks RedRaw, not the answer I was hoping for but thanks anyway.

[Stoke_Gifford_Red]

Given the size of the roof areas concerned, there is plenty of scope to provide huge amounts of PV generated electricity and sufficient hot water for much of the year. In the summer months the club could generate enough income to make a very big difference to the cause - and the income stream is currently guaranteed for 25 years. Many installers would do a really cheap price just to get the bragging rights in the industry. All City would need to do is read the meters and make sure they keep the panels reasonably clean. If the plan is to run the club on a sustainable basis, this kind of RPI linked and tax free income could be a useful addition.

Agreed, although due to massive falls in the capital cost the feed in tariff has been reduced and is now only paid over 20 years (although beyond this there is still free electricity to use/sell at commercial rates). It still makes financial sense though - for more publicly available details on how commercially viable such schemes are in Bristol look up the Bristol energy cooperative online.