Rob k Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 What is he Director of Football or is he now Head Scout? What does he actually bring to the club and if he is Head Scout what experience does he have of scouting in the lower divisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 It's not his fault but he's no longer responsible for acquiring players, SC insisted on doing that as a condition of joining. Unfortunately that's meant we've slipped back into the bad old ways of getting players, ie signing them in a rush without due diligence, hence we've bought El-Abd based on what he was like a couple of years ago rather than what he's like now - slow, and we've given him a long contract. SC admitted he hadn't watched Wade Elliot before signing him. It's not Burt's fault he's not allowed to do what he was originally taken on for, we've panicked and chucked the long term strategy we had out of the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 It's not his fault but he's no longer responsible for acquiring players, SC insisted on doing that as a condition of joining. Unfortunately that's meant we've slipped back into the bad old ways of getting players, ie signing them in a rush without due diligence, hence we've bought El-Abd based on what he was like a couple of years ago rather than what he's like now - slow, and we've given him a long contract. SC admitted he hadn't watched Wade Elliot before signing him. It's not Burt's fault he's not allowed to do what he was originally taken on for, we've panicked and chucked the long term strategy we had out of the window. Has Cotterill actually said that or are people reading into his comment that "he likes to get involved in all aspects of the club"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 It's not his fault but he's no longer responsible for acquiring players, SC insisted on doing that as a condition of joining. Unfortunately that's meant we've slipped back into the bad old ways of getting players, ie signing them in a rush without due diligence, hence we've bought El-Abd based on what he was like a couple of years ago rather than what he's like now - slow, and we've given him a long contract. SC admitted he hadn't watched Wade Elliot before signing him. It's not Burt's fault he's not allowed to do what he was originally taken on for, we've panicked and chucked the long term strategy we had out of the window. So why was he not shown the door with SOD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 So why was he not shown the door with SOD? because thankfully the youth teams / set up have not fallen under SC entirely and KB is still able to help - also when SC leaves (this year / next / 2 / 3 years - whenever) he will be able to get back on course - the idea of a DoF is continuity in the face of ever changing managers - if your sacking DoF all the time as well - then what the hell is the point of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Has Cotterill actually said that or are people reading into his comment that "he likes to get involved in all aspects of the club"? his comments on the wade elliot signing sort of say so without him having to say so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 It's not his fault but he's no longer responsible for acquiring players, SC insisted on doing that as a condition of joining. Unfortunately that's meant we've slipped back into the bad old ways of getting players, ie signing them in a rush without due diligence, hence we've bought El-Abd based on what he was like a couple of years ago rather than what he's like now - slow, and we've given him a long contract. SC admitted he hadn't watched Wade Elliot before signing him. It's not Burt's fault he's not allowed to do what he was originally taken on for, we've panicked and chucked the long term strategy we had out of the window. No, I believe we wanted El Abd but got Dunk instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 So why was he not shown the door with SOD? Could be that KB's levels of happiness and jollity were high enough on SL's 'miseryometer' for him to be spared the chop? After all, that's whats important.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I'm sure no-one who is in a managerial position would want players parachuted in without their say-so and I'm sure Sean would've had his input. What is slightly more perplexing is if SC is bypassing KB entirely. The guy's position would be untenable in that case, surely? I await those sages who have bugs in the boardroom and can categorically state that so-and-so was this person's signing and so-and-so was that person's decision.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Didn't SOD recommend Keith to the club because he worked with him before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 because thankfully the youth teams / set up have not fallen under SC entirely and KB is still able to help - also when SC leaves (this year / next / 2 / 3 years - whenever) he will be able to get back on course - the idea of a DoF is continuity in the face of ever changing managers - if your sacking DoF all the time as well - then what the hell is the point of anything. But I'm not sure he is DOF anymore!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 But I'm not sure he is DOF anymore!!!! then the club has lost the plot and thrown the baby out with the bath water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 then the club has lost the plot and thrown the baby out with the bath water. David Lloyd could you please confirm what Keith Burt's current role at the club is please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 So why was he not shown the door with SOD? As a responsible employer BCFC can't just sack people at will (if they did would get a bad reputation as well as being taken to court for unfair dismissal). Managers are only sacked after agreeing a payoff as they're usually on a fixed term deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 But I'm not sure he is DOF anymore!!!! Based on what exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Based on what exactly I've read 2 reports, one describing him as director of football which I thought he was and another as lead scout and recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I've read 2 reports, one describing him as director of football which I thought he was and another as lead scout and recruitment. That's what a DOF is. They overlook the overall direction of the footballing side of the club - players recruitment/scouting falls into that. However SOD said what he was here that himself and KB were never invited to any board meetings (which is really really strange). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampy Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Keith who?? Keith Fear - another legend. Oh for those days .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 He's director of football, he has not changed jobs nor remits. SC is a direct replacement for SOD that's it simple as. If Steve wants a a player DOF sorts it, he also recommends players to SC that's how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 He's director of football, he has not changed jobs nor remits. SC is a direct replacement for SOD that's it simple as. If Steve wants a a player DOF sorts it, he also recommends players to SC that's how it works. Or, apparently, doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Bristol City FC 2013-14 Club Officers Owner: Tiberius in exile Chairman: A Suit Director of Football: The Invisible Man Head Coach: Friend of A Suit Owner's representative on Earth: The Milky Bar Kid Head of Catering: Sweeney Todd Head of Security: Chief Wiggum Head of PR: David Brent Head of Ticketing: Frank Spencer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Bristol City FC 2013-14 Club Officers Owner: Tiberius in exile Chairman: A Suit Director of Football: The Invisible Man Head Coach: Friend of A Suit Owner's representative on Earth: The Milky Bar Kid Head of Catering: Sweeney Todd Head of Security: Chief Wiggum Head of PR: David Brent Head of Ticketing: Frank Spencer A trouser press? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I don't really understand why he's labelled the invisible man (I realise yours was tongue in cheek Aizoon). He's the director of football, not media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I don't really understand why he's labelled the invisible man (I realise yours was tongue in cheek Aizoon). He's the director of football, not media. O'Driscoll wasn't head of media, and look at the stick he took for his interviews! Cotterill too, to be fair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 O'Driscoll wasn't head of media, and look at the stick he took for his interviews! Cotterill too, to be fair... No but it is the manager's obligation to face the press, not the DoF's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I'd like to know who was behind some of the recent signings. I've only seen two games live this season plus the Rovers game on Sky, but from what I've seen I don't think either Flint or Pack is really good enough for this level. O'Driscoll made it pretty clear that Flint wasn't his signing, whilst Pack seemed to come on a trial and didn't go home. To me, those signings seem less a product of effective scouting and more a case of "let's show how we're bigger than Swindon and Cheltenham by buying their best player". It's not the first time we've had our pants pulled down by local rivals (remember Matt Heywood and Grant Smith?) Maybe they'll come good in time. Like I said, I've only seen them play three times, and I'm hardly a qualified scout (though I doubt there is such a thing so I probably am as qualified as some), but neither of these players looks to be a bargain to me. Indeed they appear quite the opposite, with City paying out large fees for fourth division players. So did Burt sign these players? Or did O'Driscoll? Or did someone on the board do it thinking they were being clever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 No but it is the manager's obligation to face the press, not the DoF's. Yes, but is it the Head Coach's responsibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 I'd like to know who was behind some of the recent signings. I've only seen two games live this season plus the Rovers game on Sky, but from what I've seen I don't think either Flint or Pack is really good enough for this level. O'Driscoll made it pretty clear that Flint wasn't his signing, whilst Pack seemed to come on a trial and didn't go home. To me, those signings seem less a product of effective scouting and more a case of "let's show how we're bigger than Swindon and Cheltenham by buying their best player". It's not the first time we've had our pants pulled down by local rivals (remember Matt Heywood and Grant Smith?) Maybe they'll come good in time. Like I said, I've only seen them play three times, and I'm hardly a qualified scout (though I doubt there is such a thing so I probably am as qualified as some), but neither of these players looks to be a bargain to me. Indeed they appear quite the opposite, with City paying out large fees for fourth division players. So did Burt sign these players? Or did O'Driscoll? Or did someone on the board do it thinking they were being clever? Totally agree with everything in here, I'd add that signing the likes of Pack and Flint was an attempt to stick to the 5 pillars strategy (signing U23's) without actually evaluating whether these players have the potential for long term development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Bristol City FC 2013-14 Club Officers Owner: Tiberius in exile Chairman: A Suit Director of Football: The Invisible Man Head Coach: Friend of A Suit Owner's representative on Earth: The Milky Bar Kid Head of Catering: Sweeney Todd Head of Security: Chief Wiggum Head of PR: David Brent Head of Ticketing: Frank Spencer What happened to Sloppy Joe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Yes, but is it the Head Coach's responsibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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