Alex_BCFC Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 The first half was OK. 2nd half was so negative and we only attacked their goal when they scored (ie too late). Great to be top of the league and no one is knocking that but when you have the quality of players we have, then we shouldn't be sitting back for long periods with a one goal as Rochdale/Fleetwood/Today can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Out of interest, were you there? I think the reality is that the substitutions made no difference. We played really well first half, but the whole team played poorly second half and I'm no sure the introduction of anyone would have made no difference. Sometimes teams play poorly. The second half we did and truthfully were lucky to hold on for a point. Hmmm I dunno. In fact we'll never know, but it was crying out for a change. I personally would have brought Burns on. Someone to run at them and bother them - the same old Wagstaff or Pack for Freeman never really inspires anyone does it? (Interesting that Walsall brought off Baxendale that I thought was by far their best player) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 We looked tired today and in the second half we didn't put them under pressure like we can do. However I wonder if Walsall made us look more tired than we were as they were very busy and put us under a lot of pressure. I think SC likes to use subs late on for a last bit of energy at the end but I echo what's been said about a spark being needed, whether that's from JET, Burns or both. Shame we didn't perform well and let a lead slip but a point away from home when we don't perform will do. COYR!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Hmmm I dunno. In fact we'll never know, but it was crying out for a change. I personally would have brought Burns on. Someone to run at them and bother them - the same old Wagstaff or Pack for Freeman never really inspires anyone does it? (Interesting that Walsall brought off Baxendale that I thought was by far their best player) Yeah I thought he looked a good player too, as well as their #9 Bradshaw(?) he looked decent while he was on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Yeah we`re top of the league but; we are "tired" have a manager who dosent know when to make subs and has a negative mindset, why? well, because we didn't beat Walsall who have recently taken some decent scalps. Shame on silly old SC We have in fact one of, if not the best managers, certainly the best players in this div and seem to have forgotten how to lose; I would say some fans with a negative mindset should wake the hell up and remember just a year ago when the king of negative mindsets was here. This is the best we`ve been for ages STOP PICKING HOLES or we will fall down one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Are Rovers? Posted October 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Yeah we`re top of the league but; we are "tired" have a manager who dosent know when to make subs and has a negative mindset, why? well, because we didn't beat Walsall who have recently taken some decent scalps. Shame on silly old SC We have in fact one of, if not the best managers, certainly the best players in this div and seem to have forgotten how to lose; I would say some fans with a negative mindset should wake the hell up and remember just a year ago when the king of negative mindsets was here. This is the best we`ve been for ages STOP PICKING HOLES or we will fall down one. The fact is, unless you have been perfect all season, winning all games, not conceding goals, scoring plenty etc, then there are improvements to be made. We should always be looking to improve, no matter how good we are, and the sooner we identify these, and the club and SC take note, the sooner we keep progressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrdc Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Why did you ask for people's log in details to Player if you were going to the game? I gave this whinging whinger my log in details for player so it's all my fault. A change of password is needed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 4, 2014 Admin Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Yeah we`re top of the league but; we are "tired" have a manager who dosent know when to make subs and has a negative mindset, why? well, because we didn't beat Walsall who have recently taken some decent scalps. Shame on silly old SC We have in fact one of, if not the best managers, certainly the best players in this div and seem to have forgotten how to lose; I would say some fans with a negative mindset should wake the hell up and remember just a year ago when the king of negative mindsets was here. This is the best we`ve been for ages STOP PICKING HOLES or we will fall down one. I'm intrigued whether you went today or not? Yeah,we are top but nothing has been won yet,and as written above we should always look to improve. Let's get it right whilst we are in this great position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 I'm intrigued whether you went today or not? Yeah,we are top but nothing has been won yet,and as written above we should always look to improve. Let's get it right whilst we are in this great position And lets not forget Swindle and MK Dons have a game in hand. They got to win that of course but should they do they'll be in striking distance. Given the inbreds good run atm they could easily overhaul us at one point in the near future, we got to snap out of this sitting back on a 1-0 or a lead in general... feel we dropped 6 points due to this and I don't think Walsall were much cop either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Marsh Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 It's slightly alarming that it's becoming obvious the manager only considers himself to trust 11 players. Either it's that or he doesn't know how to use his subs. Either way, its really concerning regardless of where we are in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted October 4, 2014 Report Share Posted October 4, 2014 Well we had to lose a match at some stage didn't we? Err... hang on a minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 In what stage in that post did I claim I attended the match? Clown. Don't write with the authority of being there if you weren't. You're like the people who ring up Twentyman moaning about the game for five minutes and then admit they didn't go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Clown. Don't write with the authority of being there if you weren't. You're like the people who ring up Twentyman moaning about the game for five minutes and then admit they didn't go! It's like sneaking in through the fire exit of a cinema to get in for free and then going around to everyone, complaining the film was crap! Who borrows someone else's player log in ffs..?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemmyredjeff Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Well we had to lose a match at some stage didn't we? Err... hang on a minute Take your blinkers off and look at the overall picture that is forming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 I'm intrigued whether you went today or not? Yeah,we are top but nothing has been won yet,and as written above we should always look to improve. Let's get it right whilst we are in this great position Intrigue over, no I wasn't there; was last week though and this subs thing has been dragged out for weeks now. Its the only thing some have had to moan at since March, of course we can improve...........like win every game but we should leave it to the manager imo as he works with the players everyday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Something isn't right in the way we are finishing games though. We've now thrown away 4 points in a row away and almost (and probably should have the way we played) at home. We are lethargic and looked tired. Maybe because he only plays the same 11? If that game wasn't crying out for a change then when is it time for one? Burns? JET? I mean Wagstaff for Freeman? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Let's be pleased with a point, People see it as sitting back, I saw it as playing like we have all season when in the lead We change to counter attack, The opposition tend to leave gaps when looking for a goal but sadly yesterday we couldn't find these. Games like this will happen being left frustrated but we could easily of lost if we went all out for the winner. Points on the board are all that matter and we got one. Roll on to the next game and maybe 3 points on the cards ... Also substitutions, How can anyone tell if it would be effective or not? Yes we can add what we would do from the stand but no one can tell if that sub at that time will help see out a win or help us grab another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Let's be pleased with a point, People see it as sitting back, I saw it as playing like we have all season when in the lead And it has cost us again. As soon as they equalised we started to attack and look dangerous again for the last few minutes - we should have been doing that all 2nd half until we were 2 up and the game was over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Take your blinkers off and look at the overall picture that is forming. Sorry Jeff- you're going to have to enlighten me- what overall picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Sorry Jeff- you're going to have to enlighten me- what overall picture? Think he means the overall picture that we are unbeaten in the league since March, top the table and have a healthy positive goal difference for the first time in ages. Also, that a manager many dismissed as a hoofball merchant before he arrived, has confounded his critics by building a solid squad playing good football. All of which puts us in a strong position to challenge for promotion this season. Part of the overall picture is that we have conceded winning positions on 2 occasions this season, and during these games SC could have made different substitutions and earlier in the games. However, it is always easy to know what he should have done with the benefit of hindsight, and knowing City fans, had SC made different substitutions and we had gone on to lose those games I suspect all of OTIBs fully qualified managers would have been quick to tell him where he went wrong. Given our current position and the overall picture, would I trust the judgement of the manager that has turned the club around in 6 months, or the OTIB experts on all things football who are only too quick to jump on any opportunity to express negativity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Think he means the overall picture that we are unbeaten in the league since March, top the table and have a healthy positive goal difference for the first time in ages. Also, that a manager many dismissed as a hoofball merchant before he arrived, has confounded his critics by building a solid squad playing good football. All of which puts us in a strong position to challenge for promotion this season. Part of the overall picture is that we have conceded winning positions on 2 occasions this season, and during these games SC could have made different substitutions and earlier in the games. However, it is always easy to know what he should have done with the benefit of hindsight, and knowing City fans, had SC made different substitutions and we had gone on to lose those games I suspect all of OTIBs fully qualified managers would have been quick to tell him where he went wrong. Given our current position and the overall picture, would I trust the judgement of the manager that has turned the club around in 6 months, or the OTIB experts on all things football who are only too quick to jump on any opportunity to express negativity? Good post. The point is, had SC listened to the opinion of the fans, he would've made attacking substitutions, made defensive substitutions, brought on JET, sold JET, left JET out of the squad, played five up top, played six at the back, played a diamond formation... He can't please everybody all of the time, which is why he makes the important decisions. And by the look of our league position he is calling the majority of them correctly. Amen to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemmyredjeff Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Sorry Jeff- you're going to have to enlighten me- what overall picture? Playing a settled team has its benefits but will eventually run out of steam. Cottetrill has been reluctant to play the fringe players for any length of time bar one game when pack replaced freeman in the starting line up with little success. We are amply covered defensively, where i have no concerns, but in other departments we could struggle to cover 2 or 3 absences through injury or suspension. We are currently in an excellent position thanks to the performances of 11 players so far this season, but the signs are showing that some may need a break to recharge again. This is where problems could arise. Do you have faith in the likes of wagstaff, pack and co to maintain our level of results if required because at the moment cotterill obviously doesn't. I do hope i'm wrong ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire Dastardly Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 This was a much better time. A year ago. http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-one/2013-2014/table/2013-10-05 The lesson I take from this timely reminder is that Orient and Peterborough after 10 games had more points on the board than we did , this year, after 10 games. Neither were promoted. Let's not get carried away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Playing a settled team has its benefits but will eventually run out of steam. Cottetrill has been reluctant to play the fringe players for any length of time bar one game when pack replaced freeman in the starting line up with little success. We are amply covered defensively, where i have no concerns, but in other departments we could struggle to cover 2 or 3 absences through injury or suspension. We are currently in an excellent position thanks to the performances of 11 players so far this season, but the signs are showing that some may need a break to recharge again. This is where problems could arise. Do you have faith in the likes of wagstaff, pack and co to maintain our level of results if required because at the moment cotterill obviously doesn't. I do hope i'm wrong ! Our fringe players aren't in the same standard of our starting 11, look at Wagstaff for Freeman.. the only player who seems to try and push us up with his runs and he brings on Wagstaff, who after a year of watching him I still have no idea what his position is. SC seems reluctant to dip into the loan market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten minutes of rough Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Agree with a lot of the aforementioned comments, my concern is that Cotts doesn't seem to have the confidence in JET to do a job, if that is the case he needs to be shipped out or at least be given a game, or at least 20 minutes or so. He will of course play on Wednesday,and unless he has a blinder nothing will change. But I do think Cotts has a small squad and must add a couple of good players in the window to give him more options, but it is a concern that the last few matches we have lost the lead, if we are serious about being champions this needs to stop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Think he means the overall picture that we are unbeaten in the league since March, top the table and have a healthy positive goal difference for the first time in ages. Given our current position and the overall picture, would I trust the judgement of the manager that has turned the club around in 6 months, or the OTIB experts on all things football who are only too quick to jump on any opportunity to express negativity? Have you read the entire thread or just page 2? What you thought Jeff meant isn't the case when you read his next post. Playing a settled team has its benefits but will eventually run out of steam. This is where problems could arise. Do you have faith in the likes of wagstaff, pack and co to maintain our level of results if required because at the moment cotterill obviously doesn't. I do hope i'm wrong ! If you read my recent thread " January transfer opportunities" you'll see that I certainly don't . My original comment served to highlight the fact that we didn't lose- we got an away draw which is fine. We aren't going to play well every game but in typical OTIB fashion, it's cause for alarm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Are Rovers? Posted October 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Clown. Don't write with the authority of being there if you weren't. You're like the people who ring up Twentyman moaning about the game for five minutes and then admit they didn't go! Ah, forgot the rule that you aren't aloud an opinion if you don't attend the game, ever so sorry sir. The game yesterday was one of only two games I've missed this season, so I think I'm very much entitled to my opinion thankyou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talk Of The Town Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Ah, forgot the rule that you aren't aloud an opinion if you don't attend the game, ever so sorry sir. The game yesterday was one of only two games I've missed this season, so I think I'm very much entitled to my opinion thankyou. Nope you're not allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who Are Rovers? Posted October 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 Nope you're not allowed So it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 5, 2014 Report Share Posted October 5, 2014 The real problem with threads like this are, people are trying to suggest as matter of 'fact' that, we dropped points because of substitutions either through lack of, lateness of or wrong ones, of course by the same token had SC listened to the advice we could have dropped even more points, who knows? certainly not the forum mystic Meg's. Constructive critique is fine, like 'what might have happened if?', opinion is fine but to suggest it to be pretty much a statement of fact is ridiculous. The FACT's that actually matter are 11 league games unbeaten, 4 points clear at the top of the league, 17 leagues games unbeaten in total, 1 defeat in the last 24 league games, 3 of our last 5 defeats were against the 3 promoted teams last season and the other 2 were against teams expect to be amongst our rivals this season. What I love is the incredible shift in expectation from 12 months ago. 12 months ago we were still 3 WEEKS AWAY from our first league win of the season and yet people were saying crap like, 'what did you expect, playing against them', 'we are in transition', 'we only lost by the odd goal' and our leader was telling us to 'expect more pain'. The unchanged squad that we have put out consistently over the past 5/6 games, contains 9 of last seasons squad from a year ago and as I said in a previous thread, they couldn't beat a ******* egg, so a lot has changed and pretty much all for the good, it's time to forget the apocalypse that many predicted when SC took over and support him, whether you don't like his accent or his interviews, it seems to me the most important people at the club like him and that is the players and that's another change for the good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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