Super Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 If he could have stayed on his feet he should have. But again, irrelevant. Why are you so keen to excuse cheating? I'm not but on that basis Agard is a cheat as he could of stayed on his feet as could Moses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 When there is contact its always dodgey as you don't know if a player loses their balance or not, remember playing a few years ago, I was tackled tried staying on my feet but lost balance a few steps later, got accused of diving, but I simply lost my balance/footing. For this I mean examples where its obvious the player hasn't been touched, not situations where contact has been made and the debate could they have stayed on their feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 I'm not but on that basis Agard is a cheat as he could of stayed on his feet as could Moses. Just because a City player cheats doesnt mean we a cant call a player a cheat. Agard, Owen, Mr Bean....dont care. A dive is a dive and should be dealt with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 It's a cultural issue. I saw a fascinating documentary a while back about Latino football including the Italians. To a man they all saw cheating or 'conning the referee' as perfectly acceptable. One player said 'it's the way we are brought up as young players' and winning a penalty through diving is seen as earning that player kudos. They all dived on a regular basis. When they played for or against British teams they experienced a real culture shock regarding the British attitude to conning the referee. The problem is ours not theirs according to one particular player. He added that we should relax our attitude towards cheating and accept is as part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 I find it strange that anybody who cares about the game can believe that 'throwing yourself to the ground' is acceptable, anywhere, anyhow or by anybody. i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 I find it strange that anybody who cares about the game can believe that 'throwing yourself to the ground' is acceptable, anywhere, anyhow or by anybody. i if its a foul its a pen, he had his shirt pulled which is a foul so its a pen what he did after makes him look a tit but thats by the by, the likes of robben etc are the real problem for me, I think robbo sums it up quite well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 I find it strange that anybody who cares about the game can believe that 'throwing yourself to the ground' is acceptable, anywhere, anyhow or by anybody. I My point is Agard did it and it didn't get mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 if its a foul its a pen, he had his shirt pulled which is a foul so its a pen what he did after makes him look a tit but thats by the by, the likes of robben etc are the real problem for me, I think robbo sums it up quite well Moses threw himself to the ground because he's a foreigner? That's summing it up quite well?. What he did was against the lawS of the game it was 'simulation' he was seeking to gain an advantage by throwing himself to the ground and it was un sportsman like conduct. My point is Agard did it and it didn't get mentioned. So what? a lot things don't get mentioned in life, it doesn't make them right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Moses threw himself to the ground because he's a foreigner? That's summing it up quite well?. What he did was against the lawS of the game it was 'simulation' he was seeking to gain an advantage by throwing himself to the ground and it was un sportsman like conduct. So what? a lot things don't get mentioned in life, it doesn't make them right. I agree, But some labelling Moses a cheat need to look closer to home. Was it cheating by Agard or clever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 I agree, But some labelling Moses a cheat need to look closer to home. Unfortunately that is not an argument/excuse and never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Unfortunately that is not an argument/excuse and never will be. I agree with you. Whether it's Agard, Moses or Suarez they need to be treated the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Moses threw himself to the ground because he's a foreigner? That's summing it up quite well?. What he did was against the lawS of the game it was 'simulation' he was seeking to gain an advantage by throwing himself to the ground and it was un sportsman like. Moses dived no doubt and but becoming ingrained in the game in Nigeria he saw other players getting 'rewarded' by diving and winning a penalty. That said he's played in Britain long enough to appreciate that simulation over here is regarded as a disgraceful act but he still did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Moses dived no doubt and but becoming ingrained in the game in Nigeria he saw other players getting 'rewarded' by diving and winning a penalty. That said he's played in Britain long enough to appreciate that simulation over here is regarded as a disgraceful act but he still did it. Was Agard's a disgraceful act as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 My point is Agard did it and it didn't get mentioned. A better City example would be Bas Savage, so keen he didn't even get into the box before diving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 The problem is it's hard to judge by video how much the contact would affect a players balance. The Moses one is doubtful it had much effect and is probably a dive. Sometimes though the problem lies with the fact that refs don't give free kicks / penalties when a player is fouled, stays on his feet but loses the ball / is left off balanced for the shot or pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Nothing even got mentioned in this country until Owen admitted it when he retired. Go back even further,Lineker did it in 1990 v Cameroon to gain a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Go back even further,Lineker did it in 1990 v Cameroon to gain a penalty. The point being nearly 25 years on and incredible technology advances and FIFA and football associations are still not dealing with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledinwatford Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 There has been even more of an incentive for attacking players to dive since the law changed to have defenders sent off for preventing a goalscoring opportunity. The defending team gets punished twice - award of a penalty against them AND down to 10 men. It's no wonder we get diving - cheats prosper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 The problem is it's hard to judge by video how much the contact would affect a players balance. The Moses one is doubtful it had much effect and is probably a dive. Sometimes though the problem lies with the fact that refs don't give free kicks / penalties when a player is fouled, stays on his feet but loses the ball / is left off balanced for the shot or pass. This is true, but it would st least stop the "no contact" penalty. We've fallen victim to a few of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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