BA12RED Posted October 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 So Chivers88 you're suggesting that I'm lying about why he was arrested? Was pretty clear when one of the policeman was holding it out having confiscated it. Not got a problem but I just think there is a time and place. As for the pitch invasion like others have said we have just equalised at Barnsley , Barnsley... If we had just scored in the 90th against Rovers then sure , why not. Very pointless and imo very stupid. Probably not going to write another comment on here because it seems others agree and others choose to slate me so hardly much point carrying this on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 As for the pitch invasion like others have said we have just equalised at Barnsley , Barnsley... If we had just scored in the 90th against Rovers then sure , why not. Either you're against pitch invasions or you're not. You can't say 'it's ok in this situation but its not ok in a different situation'. I'm sorry but from what you describe it sounds like a very minor incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Either you're against pitch invasions or you're not. You can't say 'it's ok in this situation but its not ok in a different situation'. I'm sorry but from what you describe it sounds like a very minor incident.It was a minor event. The problem is equilibrium, some grounds you spill onto the pitch aamd the stewards gently remind you by pushing you back, at other grounds they try to grab you by your throat etc. let's just imagine yesterday if we'd taken 4,000 and there was the same small pitch invasion. The stewards wouldn't have acted like that, but as it was they were plentiful in numbers against and overly aggressive. If people want to talk about the law and security please do, I have my full training and an up to date licence, you are allowed to use reasonable force and where necessary try to enforce a firm but friendly attitude, the one stewards actions should by the law mean that he loses his job, however reasonable force is an open book. By law you are actually allowed to make the first defensive strike, of course this is for licencesed security personnel not wannabe Saturday coppers, with bad attitudes, either way they were over zealous but the lads that crossed the line should have known the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HoldenBall Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 It was a minor event, one lad ran on the pitch, it took about 10 stewards to get control of him then his mates tried to help, but never came on to the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 It was a minor event. The problem is equilibrium, some grounds you spill onto the pitch aamd the stewards gently remind you by pushing you back, at other grounds they try to grab you by your throat etc. let's just imagine yesterday if we'd taken 4,000 and there was the same small pitch invasion. The stewards wouldn't have acted like that, but as it was they were plentiful in numbers against and overly aggressive. If people want to talk about the law and security please do, I have my full training and an up to date licence, you are allowed to use reasonable force and where necessary try to enforce a firm but friendly attitude, the one stewards actions should by the law mean that he loses his job, however reasonable force is an open book. By law you are actually allowed to make the first defensive strike, of course this is for licencesed security personnel not wannabe Saturday coppers, with bad attitudes, either way they were over zealous but the lads that crossed the line should have known the outcome. You don't take 4000 to away games- poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chivers88 Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 So Chivers88 you're suggesting that I'm lying about why he was arrested? Was pretty clear when one of the policeman was holding it out having confiscated it. Not got a problem but I just think there is a time and place. As for the pitch invasion like others have said we have just equalised at Barnsley , Barnsley... If we had just scored in the 90th against Rovers then sure , why not. Very pointless and imo very stupid. Probably not going to write another comment on here because it seems others agree and others choose to slate me so hardly much point carrying this on. no was just saying u can't always be sure could have been something different. Drugs are part and parcel with every day living u got your mps and lords sniffing coke in parliament and u got kids smoking weed in schools it's life and really no biggie.as for spilling on the pitch like someone said above you can sit on the fence saying it's ok at some games and not others! Fans get excited and sometimes can get carried away it happens like I said before no one was hurt so why does it matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Idiots. Every club has them. Judging by our reputation up and down the country, we have more than average... Most of us aren't, but we do have some absolute tools who come to some games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 I'm sure if you went to Barnsley like myself you would be disappointed with the group of fans sat near the front today. One fool tried to invade the pitch before being Rugby tackled subsequently all his other friends got involved... Another arrested for having narcotics on him at half time. Thought today was a brilliant advert for league one football besides that , we weren't at our best but ground out a point and the second half was nail biting to say at the least! What were your takes on this? The 'pitch invasion' There are stewards who know how to handle, and defuse, a situation. Others are rather over zealous and could create a situation in a prayer meeting. I wasn't there so I can't possibly say one way or the other what happened. However it appears that what you saw is open to interpretation. Are you looking to be offended? Drug issue You saw: '... pretty clear when one of the policeman was holding it out having confiscated it.' By the looks of this, you think this guy was caught bang to rights? I'd rather wait until the evidence is examined, just to check that it wasn't a sherbet dib dab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HoldenBall Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Judging by our reputation up and down the country, we have more than average... Most of us aren't, but we do have some absolute tools who come to some games. We have idiots, of course we do.. but having one of the worst reputations in the country for violence? Please.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 We have idiots, of course we do.. but having one of the worst reputations in the country for violence? Please.. My uncle is in the South Yorkshire Police unit responsible for policing games and we do. We are in the same category as Portsmouth and Cardiff. It's sad and not pleasant but lets not pretend it isnt there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemmyredjeff Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 For the main part our fans were great today. But if nothing else, it doesn't reflect very well on the collective IQ of our fans that two of the literally jumped over a massive sign that states 'IT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE TO CROSS THIS POINT' and then got incredibly upset that some stewards tried to remove them- heavy handed or not. We'd just gone 1-0 up against ******* Barnsley, not won the FA cup Equalized actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Equalized actually. Point still stands, I thought it was the opener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 We have idiots, of course we do.. but having one of the worst reputations in the country for violence? Please.. When these sort of questions are asked on other football forums with fans of other clubs "which clubs are worst.." we always feature. We probably have the biggest reputation out of all the clubs in league 1 this season but in general, that's how we are seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 When these sort of questions are asked on other football forums with fans of other clubs "which clubs are worst.." we always feature. We probably have the biggest reputation out of all the clubs in league 1 this season but in general, that's how we are seen. Got any links to these threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Do you seriously not know Bristol City have a bad reputation?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Got any links to these threads? I could try and dig some up I'll have a lookhttp://www.footballforums.net/archive/index.php/t-7758.htmlhttp://www.forestforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=33879 Here's two threads on first page of Google search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 My uncle is in the South Yorkshire Police unit responsible for policing games and we do. We are in the same category as Portsmouth and Cardiff. It's sad and not pleasant but lets not pretend it isnt there. No disrespect intended to your uncle, but the South Yorkshire Police hardly come smelling of violets and to those of us with long memories rank equal bottom of the humanity pile with West Midlands Police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiz Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Wow. OP getting slaughtered for having an opinion on morons jumping over a barrier advising them not to break the law. And yet when there's the wrong colour paint on the rugby lines, God save us all! See this is the problem. Its ok to have an opinion that is in alignment with yours or even if its not to call people morons if they do something your not happy with. Why not just say in your opinion you agree with the op or that in your opinion the people who jumped barriers to celebrate citys goal were foolish, but no they are morons not in your opinion but by your statement of fact. In my opinion for what its worth is that fans who paid hard earned money to travel, get in to add their support to an unbeaten team probably got a little over excited in their celebrations but caused no real problem. The fact the only place I heard it was here and has probably drawn more attention and possible reporting than the event itself warranted in my opinion should be considered before posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Re: Blackpool ...... I've always believed that Oysters were shellfish, and Oystons were selfish.... Having read some of these posts I don't know what to believe anymore - I think I may have been right all along though? (Strange how some threads meander in very odd & unexpected directions on this forum sometimes though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 I saw the whole documantary (this is just part 3) but haven't seen any of this sort of thing at AG in all my years of going (1990). That said drinking/narcotics, fighting and football provide an addictive buzz. Not my thing but I can understand it, even if I don't condone or participate in it. More complex than simply judging people as 'morons' imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 I saw the whole documantary (this is just part 3) but haven't seen any of this sort of thing at AG in all my years of going (1990). That said drinking/narcotics, fighting and football provide an addictive buzz. Not my thing but I can understand it, even if I don't condone or participate in it. More complex than simply judging people as 'morons' imo. I expect some people would say the same about burglary, or injecting yourself with heroin etc etc. It doesn't excuse it. It ruins the matchday experience for others, and yes, quite a lot of people pictured in those clips do look like morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 See this is the problem. Its ok to have an opinion that is in alignment with yours or even if its not to call people morons if they do something your not happy with. Why not just say in your opinion you agree with the op or that in your opinion the people who jumped barriers to celebrate citys goal were foolish, but no they are morons not in your opinion but by your statement of fact. In my opinion for what its worth is that fans who paid hard earned money to travel, get in to add their support to an unbeaten team probably got a little over excited in their celebrations but caused no real problem. The fact the only place I heard it was here and has probably drawn more attention and possible reporting than the event itself warranted in my opinion should be considered before posting No not by statement of fact, I'm sure you know it's my opinion but you've decided to go on this rambling critique. It seems even more moronic to spend all that money on travel, tickets, etc. then hurdle over a sign advising them not to and getting chucked out and potentially banned. What a way to spend your cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 I expect some people would say the same about burglary, or injecting yourself with heroin etc etc. It doesn't excuse it. It ruins the matchday experience for others, and yes, quite a lot of people pictured in those clips do look like morons.No excuses offered but I pity, not judge, the person who's kicks in life involve chucking rocks at the police in the same way I do someone using smack and robbing houses to fund the addiction. We have a justice system to deal with it thankfully and to a degree, a platform for which people have an opportunity to change (not meaning to neglect the unfortunate victims here, for which I have been one). This is an on-going underiding theme of the non-football forum, tbf. The point of the clip was also to highlight that the incident up at Barnsley was a relative non-event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 No excuses offered but I pity, not judge, the person who's kicks in life involve chucking rocks at the police in the same way I do someone using smack and robbing houses to fund the addiction. We have a justice system to deal with it thankfully and to a degree, a platform for which people have an opportunity to change (not meaning to neglect the unfortunate victims here, for which I have been one). This is an on-going underiding theme of the non-football forum, tbf. The point of the clip was also to highlight that the incident up at Barnsley was a relative non-event. I agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 Why are some people so obsessed with what other people are doing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 I agree with that.**** me! Is this a historic and revolutionary moment in the long and undistinguished history of otib? A debate that is quickly concluded by one of the guys declaring that they agree with the other. I doth my hat, sir there is hope for us all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 Why are some people so obsessed with what other people are doing ?Mum and brother chased down street by Millwall supporters mid nineties, house burgled by crack heads, attacked by sags, reputation of City as a whole..... living in close proximity to others who's actions can have a direct impact on my life has lent me to take an interest in what other people are doing. Not 'obsessed' I might add, just cautious vigilance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 See this is the problem. Its ok to have an opinion that is in alignment with yours or even if its not to call people morons if they do something your not happy with. Why not just say in your opinion you agree with the op or that in your opinion the people who jumped barriers to celebrate citys goal were foolish, but no they are morons not in your opinion but by your statement of fact. In my opinion for what its worth is that fans who paid hard earned money to travel, get in to add their support to an unbeaten team probably got a little over excited in their celebrations but caused no real problem. The fact the only place I heard it was here and has probably drawn more attention and possible reporting than the event itself warranted in my opinion should be considered before posting The difference is between words and actions. Of course opinions aren't moronic. But jumping over a sign telling you to keep off the pitch... I'm guessing you weren't there, tiz. Believe me, this was not someone getting a little over excited in celebrating. This was someone who was lashing out, trying to punch and kick stewards, needing four people to restrain him, who continued to do that all the time he was being marched out, and still kicking and punching out in the concourse. And, at least two young lads, potential City fans of the future, so upset and distressed by what they inadvertently got caught up in, had to be taken down the tunnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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