chipdawg Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Even if the kick chase had been good it would still have been a strange tactic. I think that once we got parity up front it was always going to be difficult for England as I think we've the best half backs in Europe. I agree with you though, I was expecting England to be much more aggressive and to give the ball a lot more air. That would have made it more difficult for us. I think the idea was to force Ireland to play in their own half because England were confident in their defence. To be fair, there were few line breaks so you could argue their confidence was well placed, but England giving away penalties and not getting to the breakdown so getting turned over. At the end of the day, Ireland did pretty much everything right and England did almost everything wrong, at least for the first hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 That game for me was won quite simply in the kicking. Ireland quickly sussed they were better under the high ball so consistently put up high kicks with an excellent chase, putting England on the back foot. This gave them the territory to put points on the board. England were better defensively and I can't remember too many Irish line breaks. However despite Irelands frailties defending aground the fringes where England made many yards, it was Englands errors. Lots of knock ons and running into isolated areas. Ireland are the best team in Europe at the moment, hope the same is not true later this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 What's most annoying is that we have the best 13 in the world in JJ and I cannot recall him running at the Irish backline. Sexton is the second best 10 in the world and his kicking was excellent but we should have anticipated that tactic pre game. But it was Wales from 2 yrs ago all over again. But of pressure away from Twickenham and they crack. Big luthor was terrible, the forwards were poor at the breakdown, but Ireland played to their strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastonboy Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 Four words for England- clear the ******* ruck. Too much cheap turnover ball to the Irish, 61 errors by England(courtesy of Rbs stats) tells it own story. Ireland were ok, no offence Michael, but England were terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I think the idea was to force Ireland to play in their own half because England were confident in their defence. To be fair, there were few line breaks so you could argue their confidence was well placed, but England giving away penalties and not getting to the breakdown so getting turned over. At the end of the day, Ireland did pretty much everything right and England did almost everything wrong, at least for the first hour Even if that was the plan it was a crazy tactic. Kearney and Zebo can kick the ball miles, so if we'd changed tactics and tried to put the ball into the stands instead we'd more than likely have made got ground and got good territory most of the time. I think that if England had been more assertive at the breakdown they'd have got better ball and might have gotten some joy. Kicking the ball away to this Irish team isn't going to get you anywhere. As it was they only troubled us at the end, and we had to rejig a few things after the injuries, though I think there was a bit of complacency there too.Four words for England- clear the ******* ruck. Too much cheap turnover ball to the Irish, 61 errors by England(courtesy of Rbs stats) tells it own story. Ireland were ok, no offence Michael, but England were terrible. None taken. We were excellent for the first 60 minutes in that we executed our tactics perfectly. We gave England a lesson at the breakdown, and our half backs had the platform to show why they're the best in Europe, but as I said before, I'd like to see us play more rugby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Only watched bits and bobs here and there, and listening whilst cooking - England sounded like they were never really in the game, save for some excitement towards the end of the first half Fair shout to Ireland, sounds like a superbly executed game plan Watched the last 10 seconds of Scotland - Italy, gutting for the Sweaties Watched most of France - Wales, can't help but looking at Wales now and thinking they are like England 4 or 5 years ago, so slow. All that talent out wide and it's 'shove it up your jumper' stuff, good win in Paris though, you can't knock that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Even if that was the plan it was a crazy tactic. Kearney and Zebo can kick the ball miles, so if we'd changed tactics and tried to put the ball into the stands instead we'd more than likely have made got ground and got good territory most of the time. I think that if England had been more assertive at the breakdown they'd have got better ball and might have gotten some joy. Kicking the ball away to this Irish team isn't going to get you anywhere. As it was they only troubled us at the end, and we had to rejig a few things after the injuries, though I think there was a bit of complacency there too. But that's mainly due to the execution. Goode and Youngs kicked poorly and without a 12 or 13 who can kick, our options were limited. Didn't stop them keeping doing it though. I do agree though that the breakdown was where England really lost it; the first man to the tackle was too late 75% of the time and so even when Ireland didn't steal the ball, they slowed it down. Incredibly frustrating performance from England, but credit where it's due, a very good performance from Ireland. They actually remind me a bit of England in 2003- very physical, very pragmatic with a 10 on top of his game and a bit of sparkle to go with the grunt in the back line England now need to get the injured players back as quickly as possible and construct a game plan- any game plan! Corbs into the front row, Haskell needs to be disposed of, Morgan needs a new leg, I'd like to see both Lawes and Launchberry back (Attwood and Kruis have actually be pretty good, though I thought the former was poor on Sunday) try and develop Manu and JJ as a 12/13 partnership (though still no kicking) and hope to god that Mike Brown never gets injured again So not too much to do then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 only hope now is Wales stun the Irish, England will beat France at (they always do) and Scotland have been a little dissapointing this year. Really those last 10 mins in France last year cost us a championship, not the Ireland match this year which we were never in, looks like a 4th 2nd place in a row! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Fully expect Wales to win in Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 only hope now is Wales stun the Irish, England will beat France at (they always do) and Scotland have been a little dissapointing this year. Really those last 10 mins in France last year cost us a championship, not the Ireland match this year which we were never in, looks like a 4th 2nd place in a row! Don't think it would be a shock if we lose in Cardiff. We have a half decent record there but Wales played well on Saturday, as poor as France are, winning in Paris is no mean feat and they'll fancy it. If we lost Sexton or Murray our goose would be cooked. France haven't a hope of beating you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-union/31709549 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-union/31709549 If there was a man to turn me gay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 If there was a man to turn me gay... I think if Paul O'Connell decided you were gay, you'd have little choice in the matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 I think if Paul O'Connell decided you were gay, you'd have little choice in the matter I can run and have a rather sexy sidestep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 If there was a man to turn me gay... Chuck Norris and Superman wear Paulie pyjamas. All hail Paulie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Just seen that Big Jim is back in the Scotland starting line up Shall we have a sweep stake for what minute he goes for a 10 minute break? I'll go for 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Just seen that Big Jim is back in the Scotland starting line up Shall we have a sweep stake for what minute he goes for a 10 minute break? I'll go for 22 I reckon he'll make the second half. It worries me slightly that he's playing- I could see his 'style' getting under the skin of some of the English More concerning still is that ******* Haskell still starts despite Wood being fit. Haskell is a great athlete but his deficiencies were well exposed by Ireland IMO. I also thought Kruis has had a better tournament than Attwood (though both have done ok) so he's a bit unlucky too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted March 12, 2015 Report Share Posted March 12, 2015 Just seen that Big Jim is back in the Scotland starting line up Shall we have a sweep stake for what minute he goes for a 10 minute break? I'll go for 22 I quite like Big Jim. With that in mind I'm going for 48. I reckon he'll make the second half. It worries me slightly that he's playing- I could see his 'style' getting under the skin of some of the English More concerning still is that ******* Haskell still starts despite Wood being fit. Haskell is a great athlete but his deficiencies were well exposed by Ireland IMO. I also thought Kruis has had a better tournament than Attwood (though both have done ok) so he's a bit unlucky too You can't drop Haskell, he's a brand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 I reckon he'll make the second half. It worries me slightly that he's playing- I could see his 'style' getting under the skin of some of the English More concerning still is that ******* Haskell still starts despite Wood being fit. Haskell is a great athlete but his deficiencies were well exposed by Ireland IMO. I also thought Kruis has had a better tournament than Attwood (though both have done ok) so he's a bit unlucky too His 'style' will definitely get under the skin of our players. He'll target Hartley from the off I suspect. I've been impressed with Kruis as well, would agree he's unlucky I quite like Big Jim. With that in mind I'm going for 48. You can't drop Haskell, he's a brand... Don't get me wrong, Michael, I like Big Jim too. Had a chat with him in Cheltenham one night, he's a cracking guy - but he's a walking yellow card I'm 6'2, I felt like a midget next to him, he is mahoosive. Got a lot of stick from pissed up blokes that night, was just after it had come out he'd signed for Montpellier, so some of the locals were giving him grief for leaving Glos. Must take a lot for a bloke like him not to slap the odd ****. Completely different on the pitch, it seems! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 His 'style' will definitely get under the skin of our players. He'll target Hartley from the off I suspect. I've been impressed with Kruis as well, would agree he's unlucky Don't get me wrong, Michael, I like Big Jim too. Had a chat with him in Cheltenham one night, he's a cracking guy - but he's a walking yellow card I'm 6'2, I felt like a midget next to him, he is mahoosive. Got a lot of stick from pissed up blokes that night, was just after it had come out he'd signed for Montpellier, so some of the locals were giving him grief for leaving Glos. Must take a lot for a bloke like him not to slap the odd ****. Completely different on the pitch, it seems! I haven't had the pleasure Woodsy, I meant as a player but I can't disagree with what you say. In fairness you could say the same of Hartley. If he had half a brain he could make an idiot. In all seriousness he'd probably be the best hooker in Europe if he had any kind of self-control. Since I tipped England to win last time I'm going for Wales tomorrow! Have a feeling Italy might cause France problems and I can't see Scotland troubling England much. My predictions have been utter shite so far though so what do I know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 think Wales will win tomorrow then all to play for on the final games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Hope England's butchering of 30-odd points doesn't come back to bite them on the arse next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Still got Ireland down as favourites with just 4 points in it is it enough points? I think if England had scored even 1 more try they'd have been big favourites. The pressure would really have been on Ireland to go out in search of 40 odd points against Scotand, atm they could win by 10-15 and be in a good position, the French are never push overs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 If England had out another 15-20 points on Scotland (which they should have done), I think they'd have gone into next week as favourites. The only things going for us now are that we 're at home and we play last, so we'll know exactly what we need to do. Hopefully it'll be flakey, shit France that turn up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WessexPest Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 Well, not a huge surprise there. Scotland's record at Twickenham is...not the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 **** it all anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 **** it all anyway... You lot are still massive favourites for the title though. Can't imagine you'd butcher even half the chances we did against Scotland. I reckon we'll beat France but only by 10 points or so, meaning a 20 point victory would give you the title. Wales are too far behind. At least England will know what they have to do when they take to the field. All set up for a great Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted March 16, 2015 Report Share Posted March 16, 2015 You lot are still massive favourites for the title though. Can't imagine you'd butcher even half the chances we did against Scotland. I reckon we'll beat France but only by 10 points or so, meaning a 20 point victory would give you the title. Wales are too far behind. At least England will know what they have to do when they take to the field. All set up for a great Saturday Everyone only remembers Grand Slam winning teams. I'm disappointed but after ten consecutive wins the lads were allowed a bad day. Would have loved Paulie to go out with a Grand Slam but realistically this team isn't good enough, yet. Agree that we're favourites given the fixtures but the Scots won't be a pushover. Big disappointment (entertainment-wise) of the weekend was Italy - France. I had a good feeling Italy would win that one but both teams were absolute muck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Bit of a scrappy start in this Italy Wales game. Can't see Wales putting a 25point win on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Bit of a scrappy start in this Italy Wales game. Can't see Wales putting a 25point win on here. Pfffft. Would you like some tissue for that egg on your face? In other news...bloody Italians! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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