cheesleywalksoncider Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Anyone know why the away fans are in the section nearest the Dolman? I would have thought it would have made sense from a segregation point of view to have away fans where they were last year so they are not near the Dolman and able to goad the City fans that leave early from from Dolman. Also as the Ayteo tends to have the most vocal City fans wouldn't make sense to have all the City fans in one complete section, therefore hopefully the Ayteo gets the songs and chants going and it then moves around the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 So home fans are by the tunnel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Anyone know why the away fans are in the section nearest the Dolman? I would have thought it would have made sense from a segregation point of view to have away fans where they were last year so they are not near the Dolman and able to goad the City fans that leave early from from Dolman. Also as the Ayteo tends to have the most vocal City fans wouldn't make sense to have all the City fans in one complete section, therefore hopefully the Ayteo gets the songs and chants going and it then moves around the ground. Surely Dolman early leavers are less visible than when they used to walk along the front of the stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Its due to Britain's entrenched class system. Putting them [Lower class City fans] over there means the rest of us paying so much more than them don't have to put up with all that belching and farting. They also need a moat around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 So that we surround the tunnel. SC requested it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Anyone know why the away fans are in the section nearest the Dolman? I would have thought it would have made sense from a segregation point of view to have away fans where they were last year so they are not near the Dolman and able to goad the City fans that leave early from from Dolman. Also as the Ayteo tends to have the most vocal City fans wouldn't make sense to have all the City fans in one complete section, therefore hopefully the Ayteo gets the songs and chants going and it then moves around the ground. Because that's where the manager wanted them - away from the tunnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Because that's where the manager wanted them - away from the tunnel. Surely as eminent posters on otib would have people believe it was the collective result of a in depth consultation the like of which few, if any other football clubs have pursued? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Surely as eminent posters on otib would have people believe it was the collective result of a in depth consultation the like of which few, if any other football clubs have pursued? To which, the usual suspects will reply "Well, no bugger asked I". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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reddoc Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Anyone know why the away fans are in the section nearest the Dolman? I would have thought it would have made sense from a segregation point of view to have away fans where they were last year so they are not near the Dolman and able to goad the City fans that leave early from from Dolman. Also as the Ayteo tends to have the most vocal City fans wouldn't make sense to have all the City fans in one complete section, therefore hopefully the Ayteo gets the songs and chants going and it then moves around the ground. Be nice if we could goad them at some stage this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Some complaints on the Burnley thread that away seats are unreserved, which just does work on a 'sell out'. Was surprised to read they were unreserved to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Taylor is GOD Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Don't leave early = don't get goaded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phileas Fogg Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Away fans in Dolman blocks A and B is a non starter, you will effectively rule out home fans using the Dolman entrance to the concourse, you would have to block off the concourse to segregate fans, you'd have to lose capacity by covering blocks of seats, nobody with an ounce of common sense would even suggest it. The away fans will be in the Atyeo as originally planned, the sooner people stop suggesting such nonsense as away fans in the Dolman the betterYou appear to be absolutely incensed by this idea judging by your posts on the subject! Do you sit in Dolman A/B by any chance? The people who have suggested it include BS employees, it's not some fan led proposal necessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMS Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Away fans in Dolman blocks A and B is a non starter, you will effectively rule out home fans using the Dolman entrance to the concourse, you would have to block off the concourse to segregate fans, you'd have to lose capacity by covering blocks of seats, nobody with an ounce of common sense would even suggest it. The away fans will be in the Atyeo as originally planned, the sooner people stop suggesting such nonsense as away fans in the Dolman the better It is unclear who "you" and "people" are. It was rumoured that Bristol Sport were considering placing the away support in the Dolman stand as a possible option. the Supporters Trust confirmed that this was true, which is why an enquiry was made via the Supporter Liaison regarding how Bristol Sport will gather fans views. At this point it is unclear how fans can affect and shape their future, if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 You appear to be absolutely incensed by this idea judging by your posts on the subject! Do you sit in Dolman A/B by any chance? The people who have suggested it include BS employees, it's not some fan led proposal necessarily. I'm incensed at the ridiculous lack of common sense in the proposal, it literally blows my mind! I sit wherever I can get tickets so it's nothing to do with that, I just can't see any logical reason why you would spend all that money on a concourse and new entrances etc etc which will work really well for home fans, and then decide to do this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Purely from an architectural and logistical point of view it would be madness to put away fans anywhere other than the Atyeo. We've spent all that money creating a concourse that extends all the way around three-quarters of the ground, we're developing the "market street" idea in the Dolman and as Tinman said the entrances have clearly been designed for home fan use only. It would be such a huge compromise of the original design intent for the redeveloped stadium, when there is such an obvious alternative (away fans in the Atyeo), I just can't see anything else happening. Not to mention the necessary segregation and thus loss of revenue from empty seats that would otherwise be avoided. It seems a complete no-brainer to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I'm incensed at the ridiculous lack of common sense in the proposal, it literally blows my mind! I sit wherever I can get tickets so it's nothing to do with that, I just can't see any logical reason why you would spend all that money on a concourse and new entrances etc etc which will work really well for home fans, and then decide to do this! Fair enough. I've debated this with a few different posters since it's been discussed. If it gives our vocal support a dedicated home I'm all for it. Anything to improve the atmosphere. Logistically though it's tricky you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Once the new grandstand is up and functioning why not put the away supporters in one end of the lower section? That's what they do at Selhurst park and Molinuex. In the meantime where else can the away fans be placed with only three stands? The end of the Artyeo is the only realistic place. What is needed to avoid possible trouble is a wider gap between fans and more stewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMS Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I'm incensed at the ridiculous lack of common sense in the proposal, it literally blows my mind! I sit wherever I can get tickets so it's nothing to do with that, I just can't see any logical reason why you would spend all that money on a concourse and new entrances etc etc which will work really well for home fans, and then decide to do this! At this point Bristol Sport have made no decision. Within your post you used the word "you". What has been asked is how "you" will be included in forming Bristol Sports eventual decision. A trial where the away support is relocated to the other side of the Atyeo could help that "you" inform their views. That option could also allow City fans in the Atyeo to access the Dolman concourse, probably affect the atmosphere of the Dolman stand positively and avoid the negatives in your earlier post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Fair enough. I've debated this with a few different posters since it's been discussed. If it gives our vocal support a dedicated home I'm all for it. Anything to improve the atmosphere. Logistically though it's tricky you're right. I think the issue has only come up because BS advised no standing or flags in the SS therefore the Atyeo has become the singing section. However when common sense prevails I believe BS will change this and allow flags and standing somewhere else ie SS which will become the singing section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I think the issue has only come up because BS advised no standing or flags in the SS therefore the Atyeo has become the singing section. However when common sense prevails I believe BS will change this and allow flags and standing somewhere else ie SS which will become the singing section I think the issue is BS don't really want our vocal support there. The community corner / family area / corporate boxes are there and BS won't want songs about Darrell Clarke's mother being sung there. They've also given some excuse about a 27% rake meaning standing is not allowed. Also, existing ST holders in the Ss will have to be moved again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 At this point Bristol Sport have made no decision. Within your post you used the word "you". What has been asked is how "you" will be included in forming Bristol Sports eventual decision. A trial where the away support is relocated to the other side of the Atyeo could help that "you" inform their views. That option could also allow City fans in the Atyeo to access the Dolman concourse, probably affect the atmosphere of the Dolman stand positively and avoid the negatives in your earlier post. A big factor could well be to see if we stay up this season, get promoted or stay in the championship as that could govern ticket allocation numbers next season and maybe that is why the club is waiting to see how it pans out. I think the away support will get relocated to the other side of the Atyeo once the players tunnel is moved to the touch line and i think the possible out come would be the Atyeo staying split with home and away but of course that all depends on what fans want to do who are there now and what the other options may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 I think the issue is BS don't really want our vocal support there. The community corner / family area / corporate boxes are there and BS won't want songs about Darrell Clarke's mother being sung there. They've also given some excuse about a 27% rake meaning standing is not allowed. Also, existing ST holders in the Ss will have to be moved again. It's not "some excuse". There are guidelines that state that 25deg is the maximum safe rake to protect against the risk of progressive crowd collapse - that is, the risk of one person falling forwards and causing a domino effect on those below. Source:-http://www.iwi-associates.co.uk/downloads/persistent_standing_presentation.pdf It's fashionable to blame Bristol Sport for everything negative at our club. In reality they have supported proposals for safe standing and cannot be blamed for acting in accordance with existing guidelines for safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMS Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 A big factor could well be to see if Could well be and if's were not mentioned by the Supporters Liaison when he was contacted regarding this topic. What was referred to was an on-going discussion which will arrive at an eventual decision. It is not apparent what the specifics are and how fans will be widely involved, or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Could well be and if's were not mentioned by the Supporters Liaison when he was contacted regarding this topic. What was referred to was an on-going discussion which will arrive at an eventual decision. It is not apparent what the specifics are and how fans will be widely involved, or otherwise. Supporters Liaison came out with a lot of ''we don't know yet'' when asked in person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMS Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Supporters Liaison came out with a lot of ''we don't know yet'' when asked in person There is / or will be an on-going discussion. Basic detail that can be revealed at this point v suck it and see is who is / will be involved e.g. Supporters Trust / Fan. The Atyeo singing section can't be moved to the South Stand due to its rake being a % too high = Dangerous. A fact rather than an 'we don't know yet'. Bristol Sport can start the initial process of on-going discussion involving fans [?] beyond persons unknown right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Like others have said, logistically the away fans will be in the Atyeo from next season. Away fans coaches park next to Halfords so it'll be a short walk out to them. I really hope they do a segregation again like with the old EE and let City fans in the Parkend take over Atyeo Block H and inwards. Really want to sit there with my lad like my old man and Grandad did before me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's not "some excuse". There are guidelines that state that 25deg is the maximum safe rake to protect against the risk of progressive crowd collapse - that is, the risk of one person falling forwards and causing a domino effect on those below. Source:-http://www.iwi-associates.co.uk/downloads/persistent_standing_presentation.pdf It's fashionable to blame Bristol Sport for everything negative at our club. In reality they have supported proposals for safe standing and cannot be blamed for acting in accordance with existing guidelines for safety. Don't play that card round ere Chummy. There are chaps on these threads who went to BS backslappings. The BS bods failed to "Pssst see that South Face stand, DEATH SLIDE that is!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnclosureSurge Posted August 30, 2015 Report Share Posted August 30, 2015 Home and away fans to swap sides in the Atyeo later this season after shambles of Leeds and City walking out side-by-side after last min equaliser and a near-kick-off ensuing! You heard it here first. Another thing for Cotts to bemoan once they're around the tunnel again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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