The Gasbuster Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Bollox have you never read it. Your views are directly lifted from it.Some Torys got called some names? Sorry about that. Sure they've got thick enough skin holding in those heartless bodies. You want to get personal ? Fine, carry on.Call me a liar, all you like, I would expect nothing less from you.You are obviously an avid Daily Mail reader yourself, to have such a good grasp on it's content.If you can't discriminate between "name calling" and making threats, then you have a problem, pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 People throwing eggs and spitting at others because they disagree with their political opinions is disgraceful in my opinionCalling your rival a "terrorist-sympathising, security-threatening, Britain-hater" whilst knowingly misquoting him is also disgraceful in my opinionThe difference for me is that the first instance is a group of protestors within a larger and perfectly behaved group, while the second is the prime minister of the United KingdomThat said, spitting at someone is disgusting and only serves to harm and distract from the point those protestors were trying to make. Slanderous political rhetoric has been apparent since the dawn of civilisation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Socialism has never worked and will never work. Cue the "that's not my kind of socialism" response. I love the state of Venezuela. People having food rations and there's no toilet roll, simply because the state can't afford to give it to everyone, despite their rich oil reserves. Hilarious.When was the last time a labour government left office with the country in a better state than they inherited it??Wilson messed up twice, Callaghan was god awful, then the Blair / Brown years hit. You have to go back to atlee, and even he won off the back of world war 2. Basically, whenever labour get in, it screws up the country. But you guys know better than the majority of the country and history has proven labour in power doesn't work.Another thing that always gets me is that every person on the left of the political spectrum seems to read the daily mail, afterall, how would you know what was in there if you didn't read it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jimmer Posted October 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Socialism has never worked and will never work. Cue the "that's not my kind of socialism" response. I love the state of Venezuela. People having food rations and there's no toilet roll, simply because the state can't afford to give it to everyone, despite their rich oil reserves. Hilarious.When was the last time a labour government left office with the country in a better state than they inherited it??Wilson messed up twice, Callaghan was god awful, then the Blair / Brown years hit. You have to go back to atlee, and even he won off the back of world war 2. Basically, whenever labour get in, it screws up the country. But you guys know better than the majority of the country and history has proven labour in power doesn't work.Another thing that always gets me is that every person on the left of the political spectrum seems to read the daily mail, afterall, how would you know what was in there if you didn't read it?? But I argue that the free market clearly isn't working either. I cannot categorically say that socialism would work again in this country - but surely you can accept that many of the great things we take for granted came from socialist ideas?America is an example of an almost exclusively free market economy. As a consequence, I don't think it is a particularly desirable place to live and the a lot of the people are maniacs as a result of it.On balance, I think a combination of socialist and free-market economics would be my preference. The problem is that the Tories are trying to eradicate socialism completely and giving more power to the establishment. E.g They are trying to take down the trade unions as we speak.There is actually great democracy in the UK compared to many other western countries. We are in danger of losing our voices if we allow this government to flourish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Socialism has never worked and will never work. Cue the "that's not my kind of socialism" response. I love the state of Venezuela. People having food rations and there's no toilet roll, simply because the state can't afford to give it to everyone, despite their rich oil reserves. Hilarious.When was the last time a labour government left office with the country in a better state than they inherited it??Wilson messed up twice, Callaghan was god awful, then the Blair / Brown years hit. You have to go back to atlee, and even he won off the back of world war 2. Basically, whenever labour get in, it screws up the country. But you guys know better than the majority of the country and history has proven labour in power doesn't work.Another thing that always gets me is that every person on the left of the political spectrum seems to read the daily mail, afterall, how would you know what was in there if you didn't read it?? All a matter of perspective of course, but the administration that left Britain in the worst state - industry destroyed, fuel security gone, legacy of long-term unemployment in many areas "broken Britain", hard drugs use up, utilities privatised and beginning their rampage to rip-off pricing, educational standards falling, immigration sharply up ( no one talks about that in this context!), housing shortage begins, the "Big Bang " sowing the seeds of the 2008 financial crisis, terrorism in the streets of Britain, the politics of division brought into sharper focus than ever before - is the Thatcher government. She's probably your hero, like she is Lord Snooty's, but in my view we're all still paying the price of her ideological crusade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 All a matter of perspective of course, but the administration that left Britain in the worst state - industry destroyed, fuel security gone, legacy of long-term unemployment in many areas "broken Britain", hard drugs use up, utilities privatised and beginning their rampage to rip-off pricing, educational standards falling, immigration sharply up ( no one talks about that in this context!), housing shortage begins, the "Big Bang " sowing the seeds of the 2008 financial crisis, terrorism in the streets of Britain, the politics of division brought into sharper focus than ever before - is the Thatcher government. She's probably your hero, like she is Lord Snooty's, but in my view we're all still paying the price of her ideological crusade.Looking forward to Mr hug a terrorist, Mr memorial for terrorists and today dubbed the I love you finder general, an arsonist and a football hooligan then RR?.The only thing missing is the ice pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Looking forward to Mr hug a terrorist, Mr memorial for terrorists and today dubbed the I love you finder general, an arsonist and a football hooligan then RR?.The only thing missing is the ice pick. I'd like to imagine you don't really believe the inanities of the right-wing tabloid hatchet jobs. "Hug a terrorist" seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Where did I call anyone scum in this thread? I outlined a fundamental economic reason why I sway to the left in Post 6 and nobody engaged. P.s I am not going to accept that I was misguided by a man that pretends to be a hedgehog on an internet message board.Typical political abuse by distortion. I never claimed to be a hedgehog any more than Corbyn claimed that the death of Bin Laden was a tragedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One BCFC Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Socialism has never worked and will never work. Cue the "that's not my kind of socialism" response. I love the state of Venezuela. People having food rations and there's no toilet roll, simply because the state can't afford to give it to everyone, despite their rich oil reserves. Hilarious.When was the last time a labour government left office with the country in a better state than they inherited it??Wilson messed up twice, Callaghan was god awful, then the Blair / Brown years hit. You have to go back to atlee, and even he won off the back of world war 2. Basically, whenever labour get in, it screws up the country. But you guys know better than the majority of the country and history has proven labour in power doesn't work.Another thing that always gets me is that every person on the left of the political spectrum seems to read the daily mail, afterall, how would you know what was in there if you didn't read it?? Yet again a Tory voter blames Blair/Brown for the 2008 GLOBAL financial crisis. Yes, it hit the whole world not just the UK but surely thats all Labours fault as usual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Socialism has never worked and will never work. Cue the "that's not my kind of socialism" response. I love the state of Venezuela. People having food rations and there's no toilet roll, simply because the state can't afford to give it to everyone, despite their rich oil reserves. Hilarious.When was the last time a labour government left office with the country in a better state than they inherited it??Wilson messed up twice, Callaghan was god awful, then the Blair / Brown years hit. You have to go back to atlee, and even he won off the back of world war 2. Basically, whenever labour get in, it screws up the country. But you guys know better than the majority of the country and history has proven labour in power doesn't work.Another thing that always gets me is that every person on the left of the political spectrum seems to read the daily mail, afterall, how would you know what was in there if you didn't read it?? I think it is intended as some sort of insult, mate, as is "Sun reader".Some seem to believe that those who are right of centre are thick / ignorant / or not intelligent enough to form their own views (see further up this thread).Apparently we scan the newspapers which are right wing biased, then "lift" our ideas from them. Laughable.It doesn't appear to work the "other way" however (strangely enough !), despite the drivel spouted by the Daily Mirage (particularly during Piers Morgan's tenure as editor), or the Morning Star.F.W.I.W., years ago I used to read the ""Today" paper. A very liberal publication, with views not in line with my own. However, it was very well put together, with interesting articles from around the world, that were somehow overlooked by other newspapers.Sadly it floundered, due to a small, by comparison readership, and eventually became no longer sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 But I argue that the free market clearly isn't working either. I cannot categorically say that socialism would work again in this country - but surely you can accept that many of the great things we take for granted came from socialist ideas?America is an example of an almost exclusively free market economy. As a consequence, I don't think it is a particularly desirable place to live and the a lot of the people are maniacs as a result of it.On balance, I think a combination of socialist and free-market economics would be my preference. The problem is that the Tories are trying to eradicate socialism completely and giving more power to the establishment. E.g They are trying to take down the trade unions as we speak.There is actually great democracy in the UK compared to many other western countries. We are in danger of losing our voices if we allow this government to flourish.I will gladly accept that the N.H.S is, and remains a socialist success story - and long may it last, mate !There was a poll last year (forget where !), to vote for the greatest British Prime Minister of all time.Pretty sure Atlee came first with Churchill a close second. Atlee won it, of course, for creating the N.H.S., and I think most people would have had him in their top two choices, for that reason alone.My choice would have been for Sir Winstone. Had he not stepped up when he did, then who knows what the awful outcome could have been. Possibly no Atlee, or N.H.S. Churchill's successor could easily have been a na zi puppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Socialism has never worked and will never work. Cue the "that's not my kind of socialism" response. I love the state of Venezuela. People having food rations and there's no toilet roll, simply because the state can't afford to give it to everyone, despite their rich oil reserves. Hilarious.When was the last time a labour government left office with the country in a better state than they inherited it??Wilson messed up twice, Callaghan was god awful, then the Blair / Brown years hit. You have to go back to atlee, and even he won off the back of world war 2. Basically, whenever labour get in, it screws up the country. But you guys know better than the majority of the country and history has proven labour in power doesn't work.Another thing that always gets me is that every person on the left of the political spectrum seems to read the daily mail, afterall, how would you know what was in there if you didn't read it?? "Socialism" covers such a broad range of the political spectrum simply saying it doesn't work is nonsense - of course people will debate the "type" of socialism they mean. Seems like degrees of socialism I broadly agree with work pretty well in many countries, like Denmark, Sweeden, Iceland, and Norway. Also coincidentally the "happiest" nations on earth in surveys. You can cherry pick an extreme example to prove your point though if you want but I don't think anyone here is really advocating we follow that - to just say flat out it "doesn't work" is ridiculous though, as I said.What a ridiculous question. If the country was in a great shape at election time that party would likely not be "leaving" office would they? It's kind of like saying when has a manager been fired leaving their club in a better position - it does happen but it's pretty damn rare and done for reasons other than performance (and usually unpopular with the fans/"voters"). It's almost like all parties/politicians do some good things and some bad things, and you can again cherry pick the bad things/good things at will to prove the point you want. I could point out many great things Blair did, and also many bad things, for example. Quantifying "left in a better state" is impossible - how are you even meant to measure that? It doesn't mean anything.Oh and here's how I know what's in the mail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Just so you all know, I am putting Preti Patel in my dream team.I have not decided on a position yet, but think she could do a job in midfield, as she is a good ball dribbler.Any pictures welcome. Uncle TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 It seems I am the only OTIB contributor that fancies Priti Patel."Game on". Uncle TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 It seems I am the only OTIB contributor that fancies Priti Patel."Game on". Uncle TFRHow about this young lady pink shoes with a blue suit? or is it Berlusconi's new thonga thonga party?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 It seems I am the only OTIB contributor that fancies Priti Patel."Game on". Uncle TFRYou are not alone !Draw the line at Theresa May though...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 You are not alone !Draw the line at Theresa May though......What great taste you have - respect due.How about this young lady pink shoes with a blue suit? or is it Berlusconi's new thonga thonga party?.Sorry - wrong skin tone (can I say that?) Uncle TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 This thread is OFFICIALLY held to ransom. P.A.L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Expecting Hameron to announce mass re- nationalisation today. To the Chinese. Stood there on number ten Xi Jithingy. "Whats he got, he got the lot!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Expecting Hameron to announce mass re- nationalisation today.To the Chinese.Stood there on number ten Xi Jithingy."Whats he got, he got the lot!"I can't understand why more isn't being made of the fact we're auctioning a significant share of our energy security off to a repressive quasi-communist country which is currently flooding Europe with cheap steel and ******* our last natural resource processing industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 I can't understand why more isn't being made of the fact we're auctioning a significant share of our energy security off to a repressive quasi-communist country which is currently flooding Europe with cheap steel and ******* our last natural resource processing industryI'm having an Esmond moment... "yeah but Brown sold all our gold". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 I'm having an Esmond moment... "yeah but Brown sold all our gold".and i'm having a KITR moment, 'incoming'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 I'm having an Esmond moment... "yeah but Brown sold all our gold".And you, Sir, are 'just a biggotted old woman'. Uncle TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Wonder if they are rethinking their knee jerk blocking of House of Lords reform, tonight.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Wonder if they are rethinking their knee jerk blocking of House of Lords reform, tonight....I love the way the house of lords suddenly becomes the beacon of democracy to the labour party and the liberals, you couldn't make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Cameron lied to the nation about child tax credits, and did this live on tv. He thought/thinks he can get away with that.The House of Lords just equalised! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I love the way the house of lords suddenly becomes the beacon of democracy to the labour party and the liberals, you couldn't make it up.What's funnier is if the stories hadn't gone back on their coalition promise for Lords reform, they wouldn't be in this mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 What's funnier is if the stories hadn't gone back on their coalition promise for Lords reform, they wouldn't be in this messi've said it before but I will repeat, pray tell me the last UK government who never reneged on election promises, misled the public or publicly lied?, it's what they all do, every single one of them, they are all full of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 i've said it before but I will repeat, pray tell me the last UK government who never reneged on election promises, misled the public or publicly lied?, it's what they all do, every single one of them, they are all full of shit. I agree, but that wasn't an election promise, it was a promise made to a coalition partner in order to form a government. And it's still not a reason for them to not be held to account over it. I'm not particularly comfortable with The Lords blocking legislation from The Commons, but I'm all for a ruling party being held to account for the lies they told to get elected. And David Cameron told a bare-faced lie on national television about tax credits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I love the way the house of lords suddenly becomes the beacon of democracy to the labour party and the liberals, you couldn't make it up.Really. It's an utter farce and always has been.But what was once a bastion of "checks and balances" and a critical part of the democratic process to Cameron and other Conservatives is now "anti-democratic" and "unrepresentative". Hahaha. Well you spurned the chance of reforming it, ham-basher!!!Of course, he'd have faced this defeat in the Commons if the Tories who spoke against the tax credit cut had the balls to actually vote against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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