Major Isewater Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 As reported in the Post , Cotts believes Premiership clubs will be happy to loan out their top youngsters to us because we play good football . i'm sure the likes of Robinson , Cox , Moore and Hamer enjoy watching it . Seriously i see where Cotts is coming from but he must be mindful that if the goal for the parent club is to develop their players then he must bring in only the youngsters that will get game time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Sounds good in the paper, but we all know Cotts won't drop anyone from the first team this season. Whose position would be under threat? Freeman, Pack? Doubt it very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeWordCityNerd Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 55 minutes ago, reddogkev said: Whose position would be under threat? Freeman, Pack? Doubt it very much. Everyones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Clubs may well be happy to send players here. Whether those players are any good is whole different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 1 hour ago, reddogkev said: Sounds good in the paper, but we all know Cotts won't drop anyone from the first team this season. Whose position would be under threat? Freeman, Pack? Doubt it very much. Just like he wouldn't drop Wilbraham... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 14 minutes ago, Robin1988 said: Just like he wouldn't drop Wilbraham... I reckon that Wilbs will still play more of the remaining games than Agard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: Seriously i see where Cotts is coming from but he must be mindful that if the goal for the parent club is to develop their players then he must bring in only the youngsters that will get game time . I would just suggest perhaps parent club's aren't altogether altruistic. Just last year we had a Kane on loan, playing regularly and performing well and Chelsea decided he should go to Notts Forest and warm their bench. Just returning to that loan also, do you think Chelsea would be willing to loan us a player again and probably have little clue what has happened with Robinson, Hamer & Cox.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Fredericks, Hamer, Robinson and Cox....Football is a very small world...footballers talk....and actions speak louder than words. It will be interesting to see who we get, if we play them and what excuses are made if we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 17 minutes ago, 29AR said: I would just suggest perhaps parent club's aren't altogether altruistic. Just last year we had a Kane on loan, playing regularly and performing well and Chelsea decided he should go to Notts Forest and warm their bench. Just returning to that loan also, do you think Chelsea would be willing to loan us a player again and probably have little clue what has happened with Robinson, Hamer & Cox.... I don't know about Chelsea but i'm sure Leicester are delighted that we are developing Moore and that we sent Hamer back before the end of his season long loan ( for which we would , apparently , have paid a fee ! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcherryberry Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 We have enough loans so why not give our own kids like Reid & Burns a chance?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Cotts regrets mentioning Premiership Loans..... His phone has been ringing off the hook all morning with calls from some bloke called Higgs. He's been desperately enquiring about interest rates and for Premiership Loan's contact details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 45 minutes ago, spudski said: Fredericks, Hamer, Robinson and Cox....Football is a very small world...footballers talk....and actions speak louder than words. It will be interesting to see who we get, if we play them and what excuses are made if we don't. And just to put the other side to this Baker has settled in and getting games and Matt Smith, who we practically resurrected his career last season. Edit: and Bennett of course, somehow in my head I think we had signed him already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 42 minutes ago, spudski said: Fredericks, Hamer, Robinson and Cox....Football is a very small world...footballers talk....and actions speak louder than words. It will be interesting to see who we get, if we play them and what excuses are made if we don't. Well let's hope it's small enough to include Baker and Bennet Surely the loan system is punctuated with players who don't end up in the first team? It's the chance you take and no one is guaranteed to come and start every or any game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 54 minutes ago, reddogkev said: I reckon that Wilbs will still play more of the remaining games than Agard. Well maybe. But he was labelled undroppable, and wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted November 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 15 minutes ago, Robin1988 said: Well maybe. But he was labelled undroppable, and wasn't. Was , but is n't any more . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 19 minutes ago, Robin1988 said: Well maybe. But he was labelled undroppable, and wasn't. Exactly. And if Agard retains his place through performances and goals I don't think SC will utilise Wilbs. He also stated the precise reasons why he continued to leave Agard on the bench up until recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Garlandinho Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 46 minutes ago, redcherryberry said: We have enough loans so why not give our own kids like Reid & Burns a chance?!?! Probably because they're not good enough right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hortonred Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I would love to know why with our miserable performance in the transfer market that Cotts can believe we will attract premiership players. And the way he leaves most of them on the bench makes it even more unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 48 minutes ago, hortonred said: I would love to know why with our miserable performance in the transfer market that Cotts can believe we will attract premiership players. And the way he leaves most of them on the bench makes it even more unlikely. Probably because SL has told him he will bankroll the loans. SL cannot and will not stand by and risk watching us drop into L1. Sacking the manager doesn't seem to be in the equation, so backing him must be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheatus59 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 15 minutes ago, Countryfile said: Probably because SL has told him he will bankroll the loans. SL cannot and will not stand by and risk watching us drop into L1. Sacking the manager doesn't seem to be in the equation, so backing him must be. No point in bankrolling loans if they don't get game time , Robinson not even in the squad , Cox played what , 60 mins ? , Moore , not a lot more than Cox , does anyone else find some of the managers decisions very baffling ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 20 minutes ago, wheatus59 said: No point in bankrolling loans if they don't get game time , Robinson not even in the squad , Cox played what , 60 mins ? , Moore , not a lot more than Cox , does anyone else find some of the managers decisions very baffling ? Not particularly, no. The idea of a squad is you have enough players to fill-in for others. They would seem to fill that role to me. Perhaps if we'd had better luck in the summer (I don't care why, it's been done to death and no one really knows the entire reason why) we would have brought in players less likely to flesh out the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 19 minutes ago, wheatus59 said: No point in bankrolling loans if they don't get game time , Robinson not even in the squad , Cox played what , 60 mins ? , Moore , not a lot more than Cox , does anyone else find some of the managers decisions very baffling ? Yes - very. Especially as he has always maintained that he would only get players in to 'improve' the team. Some of the signings may provide some cover but as you state with Robinson not even in the squad he's not fulfilling his stated intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheatus59 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 1 minute ago, Robin1988 said: Not particularly, no. The idea of a squad is you have enough players to fill-in for others. They would seem to fill that role to me. Do you think they would have come to us if they knew they wouldn't get a chance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Just now, wheatus59 said: Do you think they would have come to us if they knew they wouldn't get a chance ? No, but they have... I don't really get your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheatus59 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 2 minutes ago, Robin1988 said: No, but they have... I don't really get your point. Well my point is why would any prem ream allow their players to come here and sit on the bench , the point in allowing them to leave is to get game time and gain experience . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 39 minutes ago, wheatus59 said: Well my point is why would any prem ream allow their players to come here and sit on the bench , the point in allowing them to leave is to get game time and gain experience . Callum Robinson made 12 starts in League 1 last year, so I'm sure Villa weren't expecting him to walk into a Championship side. Hamer was unfortunate, but only one keeper can play at a time. Cox and Moore both largely out of favour with their clubs (one in our own league); Moore has been kept out while we've begun to keep clean sheets, understandably. I don't think there's a heck of a lot we've done which is 'baffling'. We needed more numbers, without having much time to do so. Baker has come in and been brilliant, the others less so. It's the nature of the beast as much as anything. Had we faced an injury crisis this discussion may not have happened as we would have had to play them, and they might have done well, who knows. I don't think any club is going to look at us and think 'god look at all the talent they've got wasting away'. We've used the loan market to good effect in the last few years, we're shorter on numbers than we've ever been and we've had to use it to beef up the squad. We're not in such dire straits now with Agard, Smith, Fielding etc. back and can afford to pick and choose our next loanee more carefully. Makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 2 hours ago, O'Garlandinho said: Probably because they're not good enough right now. Reid has proved his good enough right now. We'll never know if Burns is good enough unless he's given a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 12 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Reid has proved his good enough right now. We'll never know if Burns is good enough unless he's given a chance Totally agree - how he was dropped after his cameo against Leeds and then the Boro game makes my mind boggle. What exactly does the lad have to do to get a sustained starting place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 6 hours ago, Major Isewater said: As reported in the Post , Cotts believes Premiership clubs will be happy to loan out their top youngsters to us because we play good football . i'm sure the likes of Robinson , Cox , Moore and Hamer enjoy watching it . Seriously i see where Cotts is coming from but he must be mindful that if the goal for the parent club is to develop their players then he must bring in only the youngsters that will get game time . Maybe they should recommend us players instead of us picking bench warmers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 3 hours ago, Nomad said: Totally agree - how he was dropped after his cameo against Leeds and then the Boro game makes my mind boggle. What exactly does the lad have to do to get a sustained starting place? Maybe prove he can play in a deeper role and create chances for others. Oh wait he did that against MK. How Freeman is still starting games despite not only creating relatively little but also occasionally ruining promising attacks by dribbling until he can dribble no more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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