redfieldred Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 After several decent performances in a row, Marlon pack has a bad game and guess what he's a terrible player who is not good enough at this level. He was good enough against Hull, wolves, Cardiff, Forrest, Brighton etc. Baffling! It's skuse all over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Because he only passes sideways and backwards in a fie yard comfort zone that midfield will get us relagated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted November 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 It's like they couldn't wait for him to play bad to justify their wanting him out, let's be honest since Fulham they haven't had any real evidence that he is anything other than a decent holding midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Korey Smith is our ' decent holding midfielder' and IMO better than Marlon. We need someone who creates and scores goals in midfield. Neither Pack or Freeman is giving us that this year. Both need to improve or be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Haters gotta hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 17 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: Because he only passes sideways and backwards in a fie yard comfort zone that midfield will get us relagated That's just not true, he doesn't just pass five yards to the side or backwards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Our supporters just don't seem to like players like him. People like LJ and Skuse were treated similarly. If Skuse wasn't an academy product the abuse would be worse. Wonder why the dislike for that sort of player? Ok, not the most exciting to watch, but it's an important role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 23 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said: Because he only passes sideways and backwards in a fie yard comfort zone that midfield will get us relagated There is a group on the forum who constantly complain about him attempting long passes, some of which are over hit. It seems as though the problem is he makes short and long passes! Not sure what he can do to overcome this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 I've been a great supporter of Pack and feel he gets harshly treated but yesterday he was dreadful ! Trouble is that this club always have a boo boy but many more like that will make it easier for people who were openly abusing him yesterday. That said there isn't a thread on Ayling who gave the worst performance I've ever seen him give and in my opinion there's not one player who emerged with any credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 8 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: That's just not true, he doesn't just pass five yards to the side or backwards... We're you spending your hard earned cash at Rotherham yesterday or making blind comments watch the third goal again on catch up t.v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 4 minutes ago, pongo88 said: There is a group on the forum who constantly complain about him attempting long passes, some of which are over hit. It seems as though the problem is he makes short and long passes! Not sure what he can do to overcome this. He's obviously being instructed to play those passes, there's a reason why it's usually him and not Smith or Freeman playing them, people don't seem to grasp he's under instruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 5 minutes ago, Shuffle said: I've been a great supporter of Pack and feel he gets harshly treated but yesterday he was dreadful ! Trouble is that this club always have a boo boy but many more like that will make it easier for people who were openly abusing him yesterday. That said there isn't a thread on Ayling who gave the worst performance I've ever seen him give and in my opinion there's not one player who emerged with any credit Very true williams pack ayling an freeman were poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 11 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Our supporters just don't seem to like players like him. People like LJ and Skuse were treated similarly. If Skuse wasn't an academy product the abuse would be worse. Wonder why the dislike for that sort of player? Ok, not the most exciting to watch, but it's an important role. I think a lot of people don't realise he's playing in role defined by Cotts - i e just in front of the back 3. In his interviews Cotts has mentioned this at various points during the season. There are some who want Pack replaced by Bobby Reid, but they forget Reid is not a defensive midfield player. If he replaced Pack, the attacking options would probably improve, but defensively City would probably be worse. Swings and roundabouts. A better option is to sign a better defensive midfield player to replace pack in January (if we can survive that long) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 6 minutes ago, pongo88 said: I think a lot of people don't realise he's playing in role defined by Cotts - i e just in front of the back 3. In his interviews Cotts has mentioned this at various points during the season. There are some who want Pack replaced by Bobby Reid, but they forget Reid is not a defensive midfield player. If he replaced Pack, the attacking options would probably improve, but defensively City would probably be worse. Swings and roundabouts. A better option is to sign a better defensive midfield player to replace pack in January (if we can survive that long) Amazes me how many people believe Reid could slot in for pack. Our midfield height would be tiny and we wouldn't win many balls in the air in midfield which Pack does a lot. Reid is simply not a defensive midfielder, people forget Reid was pretty poor when he sat deeper vs MK and contributed to our poor performance in that second half. Reid can only play in the Freeman role right now, and I think he's got a good case to be genuine competition. If we are to strengthen the defensive section of our midfield, Reid isn't the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleAlbert Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Anyone suggesting he has been great since Fulham clearly didn't see him at Bolton. I can understand why there's a mixed opinion, people buy their tickets for entertainment, they want excitement. Creativity. Pack might be an unsung hero but in the world of football a lot of fans crave heroes. They want to be off their seats watching players with flair. If people want to slag him off on here, let them do it, I doubt pack is sat at home reading through the forums. He's probably getting noshed off by a smoking wife in the back of his Bentley. Now that he is suspended for the next game we shall see the impact it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 1 minute ago, UncleAlbert said: Anyone suggesting he has been great since Fulham clearly didn't see him at Bolton. I can understand why there's a mixed opinion, people buy their tickets for entertainment, they want excitement. Creativity. Pack might be an unsung hero but in the world of football a lot of fans crave heroes. They want to be off their seats watching players with flair. If people want to slag him off on here, let them do it, I doubt pack is sat at home reading through the forums. He's probably getting noshed off by a smoking wife in the back of his Bentley. Now that he is suspended for the next game we shall see the impact it has. Without players doing the less glamorous stuff, the flair players can't shine. The double standards are amusing too, if Pack loses the ball it's groans everywhere whereas if it's other players it's not the same treatment. People moan if we pass backwards but keep possession which is strange too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted November 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 40 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said: Korey Smith is our ' decent holding midfielder' and IMO better than Marlon. We need someone who creates and scores goals in midfield. Neither Pack or Freeman is giving us that this year. Both need to improve or be replaced. Last season 1-3 Sheffield smith holding mid without pack, 2-3 colchester, without pack. With pack unbeaten after Colchester for the rest of the season 16 games. The truth is he isn't as bad as people make out. He wins the ball in the air a lot, which freeman and smith can't for obvious height reasons, he can be direct and often does a direct through ball to an attacking player. He doesn't always pass back or sideways. Against wolves he did 3 or 4 passes through to Kodjia and agard, then the minute he did s backwards pass a bloke in the crowd shouted 'bloody hell pack you always go backward.' Baffling and extremely innacurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 We could get Iniesta in to replace him and people would moan that he plays too many sideways passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohbasso Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 I definitely think we need another centre midfielder in the transfer window who's an upgrade on Pack. That said the people who are happy he's suspended must be stupid because as said above we have no one in the squad that can play the same position as him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 3 minutes ago, Ohbasso said: I definitely think we need another centre midfielder in the transfer window who's an upgrade on Pack. That said the people who are happy he's suspended must be stupid because as said above we have no one in the squad that can play the same position as him. That's it, we need better quality there and a bit of experience. We don't have the cover in the squad for inevitable suspensions and injuries let alone improvement on what we already have. 5ft 8", 11 stone Bobby Reid as our defensive mid just isn't the answer. Wouldnt be that surprised to see Wagstaff given a go there, our cover is that thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 38 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Our supporters just don't seem to like players like him. People like LJ and Skuse were treated similarly. If Skuse wasn't an academy product the abuse would be worse. Wonder why the dislike for that sort of player? Ok, not the most exciting to watch, but it's an important role. And Dave Rennie going back further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 1 minute ago, Red Right Hand said: And Dave Rennie going back further. He's before my time but certainly seems to be a recurring theme. Is it the same at other clubs? Albeit much much higher quality, Michael Carrick isn't the most exciting player to watch but he's rightly appreciated at Spurs and United. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted November 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Agree we need another holding midfielder, but just for depth. Have seen nothing before yesterday to suggest that this is where we are weak. Our problem is linking midfield to attack. That involves an attacking midfielder who can do a first time ball or dribble past defenders. That is not freeman Bobby Reid possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 I am one of those that really does not rate Pack. I do want him to succeed though, obviously. I don't think there are fans that want him to fail as why would anyone want that? I think he was awful against Hull. And although I have only seen 3 away games and all the home games, I have only seen him get what i'd call a 7 out of 10 twice this season. He cannot control the ball which is a bit of a problem for a midfielder. But that could be forgiven if he was a ball winning midfielder but he just cannot read the game defensively and is far too slow to win 50 50s. His poor touch means he cannot show the ball to the opposition like Smith and Freeman can. Those two can have a player on them and not turn back and panic, but Pack just turns round and plays it back to Flint or the other centre backs time and time again, which is one of the reasons for us building attacks too slowly. He offers very little when he gets forward, and his long range passing is very poor. He is good in the air though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 2 minutes ago, Jonbristol said: I am one of those that really does not rate Pack. I do want him to succeed though, obviously. I don't think there are fans that want him to fail as why would anyone want that? I think he was awful against Hull. And although I have only seen 3 away games and all the home games, I have only seen him get what i'd call a 7 out of 10 twice this season. He cannot control the ball which is a bit of a problem for a midfielder. But that could be forgiven if he was a ball winning midfielder but he just cannot read the game defensively and is far too slow to win 50 50s. His poor touch means he cannot show the ball to the opposition like Smith and Freeman can. Those two can have a player on them and not turn back and panic, but Pack just turns round and plays it back to Flint or the other centre backs time and time again, which is one of the reasons for us building attacks too slowly. He offers very little when he gets forward, and his long range passing is very poor. He is good in the air though. There are always fans that want players or managers to fail so they can be vindicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Ahh right, well maybe. Can't see how a fan could be cheering on their team whilst wanting one of their own players to have a bad game. And to want managers to fail is even more bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 6 minutes ago, Jonbristol said: Ahh right, well maybe. Can't see how a fan could be cheering on their team whilst wanting one of their own players to have a bad game. And to want managers to fail is even more bizarre. Me neither, but I'm sure there are. Always have been. The S'OD times, Lee Johnson, Skuse.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagon Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Unfortunately I just think, and it hurts to say it, our team just isn't quite good enough. I don't think we can isolate it to individuals only. Overall we just aren't quite there. I'm confident we've just about got enough not to go down but sometimes you've just got to accept that we simply just aren't there as a whole team. The defence makes mistakes, the strikers and midfielders have missed numerous chances to change games this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted November 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 10 minutes ago, Jonbristol said: I am one of those that really does not rate Pack. I do want him to succeed though, obviously. I don't think there are fans that want him to fail as why would anyone want that? I think he was awful against Hull. And although I have only seen 3 away games and all the home games, I have only seen him get what i'd call a 7 out of 10 twice this season. He cannot control the ball which is a bit of a problem for a midfielder. But that could be forgiven if he was a ball winning midfielder but he just cannot read the game defensively and is far too slow to win 50 50s. His poor touch means he cannot show the ball to the opposition like Smith and Freeman can. Those two can have a player on them and not turn back and panic, but Pack just turns round and plays it back to Flint or the other centre backs time and time again, which is one of the reasons for us building attacks too slowly. He offers very little when he gets forward, and his long range passing is very poor. He is good in the air though. Hang on Freemans been losing the ball far more than pack. Smith too was caught in possession all the time in the last two home games. smith appears to be above any criticism like freeman until his poor play became too obvious to ignore, but to project all the faults of a midfield onto one player is one eyed in the extreme. City fans always seem to do it though, skuse springs to mind. Not good enough for a failing city side but good enough for a successful Ipswich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said: Me neither, but I'm sure there are. Always have been. The S'OD times, Lee Johnson, Skuse.. Pulis but that wasn`t just a few! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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