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I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

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9 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

Would give this 2 likes if it were possible  :thumbsup:

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I disagree, I don't think any Bristol City fans feel 'spoiled by success' and I don't know any who 'expect to win every week' so will skulk off to watch a premier league team.

Last season's shenanigans was the first time most of us had seen our team win anything significant in our lifetimes, we ain't glory hunters and we aren't spoiled brats!

Being frustrated at not building on last season's momentum is what most people I know feel about the current situation, that's all...

 

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13 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

I disagree. We are quite right as a fanbase to be massively frustrated and annoyed at the complete ineptitude of the people that are running this club.. For the writing to be more or less on the wall by the 1st of September after screwing up IMO one of the biggest transfer windows in recent years considering the momentum the club had was inexcusable.

Granted we are in a tougher division and no one im sure expects us to win week in week out at this level, but fo0k me the way this club is being run yet AGAIN is disgraceful and just plain baffling. When will we learn as a club FFS is what annoys me and others.

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4 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Just glad that the players seem to have more faith in the manager than a lot of the fans.  In this scenario I think support is needed rather than moans and groans.   

I know that no City fans want us to lose but it is sometimes hard to remember that.

That last sentence is not entirely true, there are plenty on here that would like to see us lose in order to oust the manager

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39 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

Take a poll of the ages of people that have been critical all season vs the in 'Cotts we trust' crowd.

I think you'll find that the former are the been there, done that, seen it before and know what's coming generations (age 40 and up) I think it's the 'spoilt brats' that have only seen a few seasons that think if we go down we'll bounce straight back up (we won't) that are having the love in with a manager that can't cut it at this level.

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15 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

That last sentence is not entirely true, there are plenty on here that would like to see us lose in order to oust the manager

I don't know one person that would want City to lose,  to get rid of the manager.

I know plenty who want the manager replaced though, for someone they feel could take us forward.

Who are these forum members you talk of?

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37 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I disagree, I don't think any Bristol City fans feel 'spoiled by success' and I don't know any who 'expect to win every week' so will skulk off to watch a premier league team.

Last season's shenanigans was the first time most of us had seen our team win anything significant in our lifetimes, we ain't glory hunters and we aren't spoiled brats!

Being frustrated at not building on last season's momentum is what most people I know feel about the current situation, that's all...

 

I think it's only natural that almost all the city fans feel frustrated at not building on last season's momentum but there are those are using their frustration and turning into constant slating of the club. I'm frustrated but I don't proclaim for the academy to be shut down or for cotts to go after each loss. 

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7 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Take a poll of the ages of people that have been critical all season vs the in 'Cotts we trust' crowd.

I think you'll find that the former are the been there, done that, seen it before and know what's coming generations (age 40 and up) I think it's the 'spoilt brats' that have only seen a few seasons that think if we go down we'll bounce straight back up (we won't) that are having the love in with a manager that can't cut it at this level.

Yep- I've been there done that. I don't have a love-in with this or any other manager ( errr.... apart from Joe) . No I haven't been in the critical camp and I know just about enough to suggest that sacking SC right now is not only unwarranted but madness.

 

5 minutes ago, spudski said:

I don't know one person that would want City to lose,  to get rid of the manager.

I know plenty who want the manager replaced though, for someone they feel could take us forward.

Who are these forum members you talk of?

Read enough threads Spudski and you wouldn't have to ask.

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1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

Brilliant. Horace doffs his *****les to you :clapping: 

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16 minutes ago, spudski said:

I don't know one person that would want City to lose,  to get rid of the manager.

I know plenty who want the manager replaced though, for someone they feel could take us forward.

Who are these forum members you talk of?

cmon spud you know as well as I do that to some people, city's actual results are just secondary to their own agenda. 

Ive been that guy, in the sod era, I'd have taken a hammering just so he'd **** off. no doubt some of the same is kicking about. 

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18 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Take a poll of the ages of people that have been critical all season vs the in 'Cotts we trust' crowd.

I think you'll find that the former are the been there, done that, seen it before and know what's coming generations (age 40 and up) I think it's the 'spoilt brats' that have only seen a few seasons that think if we go down we'll bounce straight back up (we won't) that are having the love in with a manager that can't cut it at this level.

Don't think so. I see it in certain sections of the ground. It's more an entitlement thing. Some fans weren't happy even last season. They were moaning at the players then. We would be playing really well and the first mistake would be greeted with vocal critism, that suggests a desire to moan, which is a sort of sideways anger it can't be based on the performance.

im not saying this Criticism is the same, but there is a good deal of moaning that is habitual rather than based on what is happening on the pitch. You don't really get much at away games, because those are the thick and thin supporters and moaning seems out of place. 

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9 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

cmon spud you know as well as I do that to some people, city's actual results are just secondary to their own agenda. 

Ive been that guy, in the sod era, I'd have taken a hammering just so he'd **** off. no doubt some of the same is kicking about. 

I honestly didn't fella.

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My personal belief based on actual experience is that this side is better than the one that just managed to stay up in 2012 and went down in 13. Yes we need to strengthen, but at least this team are capable of playing good interactive football and of scoring goals and importantly don't have Fontaine at the back. 

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1 hour ago, RedDave said:

If City won their next ten games but lost the eleventh there would be posters saying 'see, told you he was shite'

Let's hope that's what happens!

We all want the best for the club and, naturally, we all have different opinions on how to get there.

 

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What upsets me the most is to see Cotts' hitherto superb 'wins to matches played ratio' being obliterated at such an alarming rate. Absolute shambles.

Still, on the bright side, BCFC are still 3 places better off than our historical all time league table which is bottom of the Championship. Now that is a glass 51% full, literally and figuratively.

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6 hours ago, bris red said:

I disagree. We are quite right as a fanbase to be massively frustrated and annoyed at the complete ineptitude of the people that are running this club.. For the writing to be more or less on the wall by the 1st of September after screwing up IMO one of the biggest transfer windows in recent years considering the momentum the club had was inexcusable.

Granted we are in a tougher division and no one im sure expects us to win week in week out at this level, but fo0k me the way this club is being run yet AGAIN is disgraceful and just plain baffling. When will we learn as a club FFS is what annoys me and others.

Its not that baffling..our top men,from the football side of things don't know what they are doing,why they are(or aren't)doing it, when they should(or sould'nt) be doing it,or whom to choose not to do it with(or maybe we should???)......

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22 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

Its not that baffling..our top men,from the football side of things don't know what they are doing,why they are(or aren't)doing it, when they should(or sould'nt) be doing it,or whom to choose not to do it with(or maybe we should???)......

A little harsh there Brucie, putting it rather mildly,... lets face facts here; Football is, overwhelmingly amongst the 92, a loss making business. It is not easy for us bystanders, unless you are more than a mere mortal, to criticise from the outside when, year in and year out, BCFC make a loss like almost every club up and down the country. Every decision, from a fans perspective, will come under scrutiny. Should we be lucky enough to make a profit this conversation would be under an entirely different pretext. Since it is a loss the club will often be criticised for making poor decisions that directly affect the main event; the game itself. They will say they have to live within their means, perform badly, get criticised, throw money at it, need an SL bail out, get relegated to clear the decks, go back up and try again this time more within the realms of balancing the books and with an eye on, albeit, relaxed FFP. And so here we are again. 

I would like a fans council have a go at it with fake money and see if they fare any better with a pack of cards stacked heavily against survival unless you have a very wealthy benefactor.

Unlike many other clubs it would not be the proverbial disaster if, god forbid, we went back down. it might be cataclysmic but we would bounce back. It might be horrible but we would wipe away the tears. And we have essentially one man to thank for that. Thank your lucky stars we are not one of the litany of clubs who have imploded and there are dozens of them.

I happen to think we will stay up, we will spend some fairly large sums next month in order to help Steve C to do just that and build again for next season. The caveat, as always, being can City attract the right player; going abroad again might be the answer. In the meantime, like a few others have said, lets not get too down hearted. frequent and often big losses are no fun, that much is true, but lets put a bit more faith in all of the powers that be; we cannot expect perfection but we are about as close to being a club with as secure a future, outside the top flight, as you will ever get.

I would add that this should equally be directed at Bris Red.

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5 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

cmon spud you know as well as I do that to some people, city's actual results are just secondary to their own agenda. 

Ive been that guy, in the sod era, I'd have taken a hammering just so he'd **** off. no doubt some of the same is kicking about. 

So are you being slightly hypercritical of people who are acting no differently to how you did?

 

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2 hours ago, havanatopia said:

What upsets me the most is to see Cotts' hitherto superb 'wins to matches played ratio' being obliterated at such an alarming rate. Absolute shambles.

Still, on the bright side, BCFC are still 3 places better off than our historical all time league table which is bottom of the Championship. Now that is a glass 51% full, literally and figuratively.

Cotts win ratio at this level with all clubs is not much to write home about - it's no different from a good championship striker being unable to cut it in the prem.

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3 minutes ago, havanatopia said:

A little harsh there Brucie, putting it rather mildly,... lets face facts here; Football is, overwhelmingly amongst the 92, a loss making business. It is not easy for us bystanders, unless you are more than a mere mortal, to criticise from the outside when, year in and year out, BCFC make a loss like almost every club up and down the country. Every decision, from a fans perspective, will come under scrutiny. Should we be lucky enough to make a profit this conversation would be under an entirely different pretext. Since it is a loss the club will often be criticised for making poor decisions that directly affect the main event; the game itself. They will say they have to live within their means, perform badly, get criticised, throw money at it, need an SL bail out, get relegated to clear the decks, go back up and try again this time more within the realms of balancing the books and with an eye on, albeit, relaxed FFP. And so here we are again. 

I would like a fans council have a go at it with fake money and see if they fare any better with a pack of cards stacked heavily against survival unless you have a very wealthy benefactor.

Unlike many other clubs it would not be the proverbial disaster if, god forbid, we went back down. it might be cataclysmic but we would bounce back. It might be horrible but we would wipe away the tears. And we have essentially one man to thank for that. Thank your lucky stars we are not one of the litany of clubs who have imploded and there are dozens of them.

I happen to think we will stay up, we will spend some fairly large sums next month in order to help Steve C to do just that and build again for next season. In the meantime, like a few others have said, lets not get too down hearted. frequent and often big losses are no fun, that much is true, but lets put a bit more faith in all of the powers to be; we cannot expect perfection but we are about as close to being a club with as secure a future, outside the top flight, as you will ever get.

Was thinking you were up early today,now realise your in Manilla!....I appreciate in the bigger picture we are fortunate to many other clubs-even a position of strength without the added pressure of parachute payments!!...but it just can't be all about the money.the lack of joined up thinking,that never seems to change and always seems to put us to disadvantage is my concern..

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6 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I disagree, I don't think any Bristol City fans feel 'spoiled by success' and I don't know any who 'expect to win every week' so will skulk off to watch a premier league team.

Last season's shenanigans was the first time most of us had seen our team win anything significant in our lifetimes, we ain't glory hunters and we aren't spoiled brats!

Being frustrated at not building on last season's momentum is what most people I know feel about the current situation, that's all...

 

True mate

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4 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

Was thinking you were up early today,now realise your in Manilla!....I appreciate in the bigger picture we are fortunate to many other clubs-even a position of strength without the added pressure of parachute payments!!...but it just can't be all about the money.the lack of joined up thinking,that never seems to change and always seems to put us to disadvantage is my concern..

Do we really know for sure there is a lack of 'joined up thinking' though? Personally I think that is not the case. Would BCFC be that naive with such huge sums of money and currently no chance of making a profit? The people in charge may not have the ability to communicate in a PR savvy way that many would like but I'd be pretty sure they are experienced enough behind the scenes and are making the correct decisions within the remit of trying not to lose too much money and pleasing the fans; a fairly thankless task at the best of times. Could City do better? Of course. Did we seemingly or on the face of it mess up the close season transfer window? It looks like it. But we do not know the facts nor how much effort was put in nor how off-putting it might be for a player, after speaking to an agent, coming to City is. Gray, for example, made the right decision for his career.. of that few can have little doubt. That City went after him is even drawing criticism because, they say, it alerts other clubs to how much BCFC might be prepared to spend in January... the club really cannot win on the PR front even if the machine worked better.

The view from the Championship is a whole lot different to when we were last here just 2 years ago. We are feeling that as are Preston and MK Dons. The three that come up at the end of this season would do well to speak to all 3 and try and learn some lessons beforehand as City may or may not have done.

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7 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

Who expects to win every week?

What an odd post? Most of the debate is around people expecting us not to win every week. Its these people being told to do one and the super fans who insist we are competitive and if we stick with it, it will all get better.

Actually, what a clever post! I'm in your camp. I know we won't  many games with this squad and manager and i fully expected us to be embroiled in a relegation dog fight vack in the summer, but I'll be there Saturday.

 

Those expecting good times win h this set up and more wins than losses can do one to Leicester.

Well said sir.

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Couldn't disagree more with the original post sorry.

I think as fans, all we want is to see our club make the best of what it has and compete effectively. Barring a couple of years under Gary Johnson, every season we've spent at this level has been a shambles due to constantly poor decision making from the boardroom to the pitch. This club has spent its entire history taking one step forward followed by two steps back and the cycle looks to be repeating itself yet again.

The attitude of "put up with it or go and support someone else" is never helpful to anybody. That's the sort of superfan mentality seen at the gas and look at the state of them.

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