Spoiled brats

[Bar BS3]

I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

[Vincent Vega]

9 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

Would give this 2 likes if it were possible  

[WolfOfWestStreet]

Mate I agree with everything you say but you're fighting a losing battle with that tone on this place.

I tried it but gave up, waste of time people's minds are made up. 

[BS4 on Tour...]

I disagree, I don't think any Bristol City fans feel 'spoiled by success' and I don't know any who 'expect to win every week' so will skulk off to watch a premier league team.

Last season's shenanigans was the first time most of us had seen our team win anything significant in our lifetimes, we ain't glory hunters and we aren't spoiled brats!

Being frustrated at not building on last season's momentum is what most people I know feel about the current situation, that's all...

 

[Bris Red]

13 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

I disagree. We are quite right as a fanbase to be massively frustrated and annoyed at the complete ineptitude of the people that are running this club.. For the writing to be more or less on the wall by the 1st of September after screwing up IMO one of the biggest transfer windows in recent years considering the momentum the club had was inexcusable.

Granted we are in a tougher division and no one im sure expects us to win week in week out at this level, but fo0k me the way this club is being run yet AGAIN is disgraceful and just plain baffling. When will we learn as a club FFS is what annoys me and others.

[And Its Smith]

Just glad that the players seem to have more faith in the manager than a lot of the fans.  In this scenario I think support is needed rather than moans and groans.   

I know that no City fans want us to lose but it is sometimes hard to remember that.

[WolfOfWestStreet]

4 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Just glad that the players seem to have more faith in the manager than a lot of the fans.  In this scenario I think support is needed rather than moans and groans.   

I know that no City fans want us to lose but it is sometimes hard to remember that.

That last sentence is not entirely true, there are plenty on here that would like to see us lose in order to oust the manager

[RumRed]

39 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

Take a poll of the ages of people that have been critical all season vs the in 'Cotts we trust' crowd.

I think you'll find that the former are the been there, done that, seen it before and know what's coming generations (age 40 and up) I think it's the 'spoilt brats' that have only seen a few seasons that think if we go down we'll bounce straight back up (we won't) that are having the love in with a manager that can't cut it at this level.

[spudski]

15 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

That last sentence is not entirely true, there are plenty on here that would like to see us lose in order to oust the manager

I don't know one person that would want City to lose,  to get rid of the manager.

I know plenty who want the manager replaced though, for someone they feel could take us forward.

Who are these forum members you talk of?

[Shtanley]

37 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I disagree, I don't think any Bristol City fans feel 'spoiled by success' and I don't know any who 'expect to win every week' so will skulk off to watch a premier league team.

Last season's shenanigans was the first time most of us had seen our team win anything significant in our lifetimes, we ain't glory hunters and we aren't spoiled brats!

Being frustrated at not building on last season's momentum is what most people I know feel about the current situation, that's all...

 

I think it's only natural that almost all the city fans feel frustrated at not building on last season's momentum but there are those are using their frustration and turning into constant slating of the club. I'm frustrated but I don't proclaim for the academy to be shut down or for cotts to go after each loss. 

[And Its Smith]

If City won their next ten games but lost the eleventh there would be posters saying 'see, told you he was shite'

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

7 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Take a poll of the ages of people that have been critical all season vs the in 'Cotts we trust' crowd.

I think you'll find that the former are the been there, done that, seen it before and know what's coming generations (age 40 and up) I think it's the 'spoilt brats' that have only seen a few seasons that think if we go down we'll bounce straight back up (we won't) that are having the love in with a manager that can't cut it at this level.

Yep- I've been there done that. I don't have a love-in with this or any other manager ( errr.... apart from Joe) . No I haven't been in the critical camp and I know just about enough to suggest that sacking SC right now is not only unwarranted but madness.

 

5 minutes ago, spudski said:

I don't know one person that would want City to lose,  to get rid of the manager.

I know plenty who want the manager replaced though, for someone they feel could take us forward.

Who are these forum members you talk of?

Read enough threads Spudski and you wouldn't have to ask.

[Aizoon]

1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

Brilliant. Horace doffs his *****les to you  

[WolfOfWestStreet]

16 minutes ago, spudski said:

I don't know one person that would want City to lose,  to get rid of the manager.

I know plenty who want the manager replaced though, for someone they feel could take us forward.

Who are these forum members you talk of?

cmon spud you know as well as I do that to some people, city's actual results are just secondary to their own agenda. 

Ive been that guy, in the sod era, I'd have taken a hammering just so he'd **** off. no doubt some of the same is kicking about. 

[redfieldred]

18 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Take a poll of the ages of people that have been critical all season vs the in 'Cotts we trust' crowd.

I think you'll find that the former are the been there, done that, seen it before and know what's coming generations (age 40 and up) I think it's the 'spoilt brats' that have only seen a few seasons that think if we go down we'll bounce straight back up (we won't) that are having the love in with a manager that can't cut it at this level.

Don't think so. I see it in certain sections of the ground. It's more an entitlement thing. Some fans weren't happy even last season. They were moaning at the players then. We would be playing really well and the first mistake would be greeted with vocal critism, that suggests a desire to moan, which is a sort of sideways anger it can't be based on the performance.

im not saying this Criticism is the same, but there is a good deal of moaning that is habitual rather than based on what is happening on the pitch. You don't really get much at away games, because those are the thick and thin supporters and moaning seems out of place. 

[spudski]

9 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

cmon spud you know as well as I do that to some people, city's actual results are just secondary to their own agenda. 

Ive been that guy, in the sod era, I'd have taken a hammering just so he'd **** off. no doubt some of the same is kicking about. 

I honestly didn't fella.

[redfieldred]

My personal belief based on actual experience is that this side is better than the one that just managed to stay up in 2012 and went down in 13. Yes we need to strengthen, but at least this team are capable of playing good interactive football and of scoring goals and importantly don't have Fontaine at the back. 

[RumRed]

1 hour ago, RedDave said:

If City won their next ten games but lost the eleventh there would be posters saying 'see, told you he was shite'

Let's hope that's what happens!

We all want the best for the club and, naturally, we all have different opinions on how to get there.

 

[havanatopia]

What upsets me the most is to see Cotts' hitherto superb 'wins to matches played ratio' being obliterated at such an alarming rate. Absolute shambles.

Still, on the bright side, BCFC are still 3 places better off than our historical all time league table which is bottom of the Championship. Now that is a glass 51% full, literally and figuratively.

[Son of Fred]

6 hours ago, bris red said:

I disagree. We are quite right as a fanbase to be massively frustrated and annoyed at the complete ineptitude of the people that are running this club.. For the writing to be more or less on the wall by the 1st of September after screwing up IMO one of the biggest transfer windows in recent years considering the momentum the club had was inexcusable.

Granted we are in a tougher division and no one im sure expects us to win week in week out at this level, but fo0k me the way this club is being run yet AGAIN is disgraceful and just plain baffling. When will we learn as a club FFS is what annoys me and others.

Its not that baffling..our top men,from the football side of things don't know what they are doing,why they are(or aren't)doing it, when they should(or sould'nt) be doing it,or whom to choose not to do it with(or maybe we should???)......

[BRISTOL86]

I'm neither a happy clapper or a doom and gloom merchant, but being tolerant of mediocrity gets you nowhere. 

[havanatopia]

22 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

Its not that baffling..our top men,from the football side of things don't know what they are doing,why they are(or aren't)doing it, when they should(or sould'nt) be doing it,or whom to choose not to do it with(or maybe we should???)......

A little harsh there Brucie, putting it rather mildly,... lets face facts here; Football is, overwhelmingly amongst the 92, a loss making business. It is not easy for us bystanders, unless you are more than a mere mortal, to criticise from the outside when, year in and year out, BCFC make a loss like almost every club up and down the country. Every decision, from a fans perspective, will come under scrutiny. Should we be lucky enough to make a profit this conversation would be under an entirely different pretext. Since it is a loss the club will often be criticised for making poor decisions that directly affect the main event; the game itself. They will say they have to live within their means, perform badly, get criticised, throw money at it, need an SL bail out, get relegated to clear the decks, go back up and try again this time more within the realms of balancing the books and with an eye on, albeit, relaxed FFP. And so here we are again. 

I would like a fans council have a go at it with fake money and see if they fare any better with a pack of cards stacked heavily against survival unless you have a very wealthy benefactor.

Unlike many other clubs it would not be the proverbial disaster if, god forbid, we went back down. it might be cataclysmic but we would bounce back. It might be horrible but we would wipe away the tears. And we have essentially one man to thank for that. Thank your lucky stars we are not one of the litany of clubs who have imploded and there are dozens of them.

I happen to think we will stay up, we will spend some fairly large sums next month in order to help Steve C to do just that and build again for next season. The caveat, as always, being can City attract the right player; going abroad again might be the answer. In the meantime, like a few others have said, lets not get too down hearted. frequent and often big losses are no fun, that much is true, but lets put a bit more faith in all of the powers that be; we cannot expect perfection but we are about as close to being a club with as secure a future, outside the top flight, as you will ever get.

I would add that this should equally be directed at Bris Red.

[Rob k]

5 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

cmon spud you know as well as I do that to some people, city's actual results are just secondary to their own agenda. 

Ive been that guy, in the sod era, I'd have taken a hammering just so he'd **** off. no doubt some of the same is kicking about. 

So are you being slightly hypercritical of people who are acting no differently to how you did?

 

[Rob k]

2 hours ago, havanatopia said:

What upsets me the most is to see Cotts' hitherto superb 'wins to matches played ratio' being obliterated at such an alarming rate. Absolute shambles.

Still, on the bright side, BCFC are still 3 places better off than our historical all time league table which is bottom of the Championship. Now that is a glass 51% full, literally and figuratively.

Cotts win ratio at this level with all clubs is not much to write home about - it's no different from a good championship striker being unable to cut it in the prem.

[havanatopia]

3 minutes ago, Rob k said:

Cotts win ratio at this level with all clubs is not much to write home about - it's no different from a good championship striker being unable to cut it in the prem.

I was reflecting upon his time with us but point taken.

[Son of Fred]

3 minutes ago, havanatopia said:

A little harsh there Brucie, putting it rather mildly,... lets face facts here; Football is, overwhelmingly amongst the 92, a loss making business. It is not easy for us bystanders, unless you are more than a mere mortal, to criticise from the outside when, year in and year out, BCFC make a loss like almost every club up and down the country. Every decision, from a fans perspective, will come under scrutiny. Should we be lucky enough to make a profit this conversation would be under an entirely different pretext. Since it is a loss the club will often be criticised for making poor decisions that directly affect the main event; the game itself. They will say they have to live within their means, perform badly, get criticised, throw money at it, need an SL bail out, get relegated to clear the decks, go back up and try again this time more within the realms of balancing the books and with an eye on, albeit, relaxed FFP. And so here we are again. 

I would like a fans council have a go at it with fake money and see if they fare any better with a pack of cards stacked heavily against survival unless you have a very wealthy benefactor.

Unlike many other clubs it would not be the proverbial disaster if, god forbid, we went back down. it might be cataclysmic but we would bounce back. It might be horrible but we would wipe away the tears. And we have essentially one man to thank for that. Thank your lucky stars we are not one of the litany of clubs who have imploded and there are dozens of them.

I happen to think we will stay up, we will spend some fairly large sums next month in order to help Steve C to do just that and build again for next season. In the meantime, like a few others have said, lets not get too down hearted. frequent and often big losses are no fun, that much is true, but lets put a bit more faith in all of the powers to be; we cannot expect perfection but we are about as close to being a club with as secure a future, outside the top flight, as you will ever get.

Was thinking you were up early today,now realise your in Manilla!....I appreciate in the bigger picture we are fortunate to many other clubs-even a position of strength without the added pressure of parachute payments!!...but it just can't be all about the money.the lack of joined up thinking,that never seems to change and always seems to put us to disadvantage is my concern..

[RobintheRed Red]

6 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I disagree, I don't think any Bristol City fans feel 'spoiled by success' and I don't know any who 'expect to win every week' so will skulk off to watch a premier league team.

Last season's shenanigans was the first time most of us had seen our team win anything significant in our lifetimes, we ain't glory hunters and we aren't spoiled brats!

Being frustrated at not building on last season's momentum is what most people I know feel about the current situation, that's all...

 

True mate

[havanatopia]

4 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

Was thinking you were up early today,now realise your in Manilla!....I appreciate in the bigger picture we are fortunate to many other clubs-even a position of strength without the added pressure of parachute payments!!...but it just can't be all about the money.the lack of joined up thinking,that never seems to change and always seems to put us to disadvantage is my concern..

Do we really know for sure there is a lack of 'joined up thinking' though? Personally I think that is not the case. Would BCFC be that naive with such huge sums of money and currently no chance of making a profit? The people in charge may not have the ability to communicate in a PR savvy way that many would like but I'd be pretty sure they are experienced enough behind the scenes and are making the correct decisions within the remit of trying not to lose too much money and pleasing the fans; a fairly thankless task at the best of times. Could City do better? Of course. Did we seemingly or on the face of it mess up the close season transfer window? It looks like it. But we do not know the facts nor how much effort was put in nor how off-putting it might be for a player, after speaking to an agent, coming to City is. Gray, for example, made the right decision for his career.. of that few can have little doubt. That City went after him is even drawing criticism because, they say, it alerts other clubs to how much BCFC might be prepared to spend in January... the club really cannot win on the PR front even if the machine worked better.

The view from the Championship is a whole lot different to when we were last here just 2 years ago. We are feeling that as are Preston and MK Dons. The three that come up at the end of this season would do well to speak to all 3 and try and learn some lessons beforehand as City may or may not have done.

[054123]

7 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

Who expects to win every week?

What an odd post? Most of the debate is around people expecting us not to win every week. Its these people being told to do one and the super fans who insist we are competitive and if we stick with it, it will all get better.

Actually, what a clever post! I'm in your camp. I know we won't  many games with this squad and manager and i fully expected us to be embroiled in a relegation dog fight vack in the summer, but I'll be there Saturday.

 

Those expecting good times win h this set up and more wins than losses can do one to Leicester.

Well said sir.

[Wanderingred]

Couldn't disagree more with the original post sorry.

I think as fans, all we want is to see our club make the best of what it has and compete effectively. Barring a couple of years under Gary Johnson, every season we've spent at this level has been a shambles due to constantly poor decision making from the boardroom to the pitch. This club has spent its entire history taking one step forward followed by two steps back and the cycle looks to be repeating itself yet again.

The attitude of "put up with it or go and support someone else" is never helpful to anybody. That's the sort of superfan mentality seen at the gas and look at the state of them.

[Phileas Fogg]

7 minutes ago, City169 said:

Cotts has always been at a club that was either operating on 0 money (Pompey, Forest) at the time he was there, or with little to no budget while he was there, having to sell his star striker (Burnley). In fact, Cotterill helped in Pompey avoiding liquidation, and took Forest away from relegation to safety when he had the job there.

You could comprise a list of most managers in this league and find excuses or reasons like the above for success/lack of success at the clubs they've managed, it's a moot point.

In the same vain, you could state that at Notts County they had by far the strongest squad in the league and were coasting to promotion when he took over - does that make getting promotion there any less of an achievement?

[Guest cider city red 81]

8 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

Agree. One injury to Mahrez or Vardy and Leicester will struggle. Can't see them even making top 4 TBH. Long way to go. 

[Rob k]

23 minutes ago, City169 said:

Cotts has always been at a club that was either operating on 0 money (Pompey, Forest) at the time he was there, or with little to no budget while he was there, having to sell his star striker (Burnley). In fact, Cotterill helped in Pompey avoiding liquidation, and took Forest away from relegation to safety when he had the job there.

 Fair points 

[Jesus]

I don't think I've ever been called a "glory supporter" for supporting Bristol City! ha. 

Look, I don't think it's about people wanting City to win every week, but rather people not wanting to see us fall out of the league.  If it looked like we were going to get a mid-table finish, I genuinely think most fans would be more than happy. 

You've got 2 sets of supporters here.  Realists and Optimists. 

I fall on the realist side, so I look at cold hard facts.  

• Possession stats = worst in the league
• 4 wins in 21 = Relegation form 
• Out of every team in the league, we've had the most goals scored against us
• Our Manager says we aren't good enough
• We can't really change things due to the squad size
• Confidence is low 

How anyone can say that we aren't in serious trouble is beyond me!! It's all good putting your head in the sand, but the cold hard truth tells us that something needs to change.  Is a management change going to work? I don't know, but its one of the only things we can do to stop the rot.  I can't see how someone coming in with proven Championship experience can be anything other than positive? 

So you can stick your Chelsea, Manchester United, Tottenham, Liverpool, Manchester City and Arsenal up your arse. I'm a ******* proud Bristolian. The reason people are getting the way they are is not because they're "throwing in the towel", but because they're passionate enough to not want to see a club they love get relegated, which is clearly going to happen if things stay the same. 

[Phileas Fogg]

16 minutes ago, City169 said:

yes and no. If cotts had been at a club with a big budget and had an awful win percentage it would reflect worse on his ability as a manager than the actual case.

When Cotterill got the Portsmouth job, they were in a position not a million miles off of where Blackpool were at the start of last season (other than geographically) yet he still kept them up, so it is incredibly harsh to take in his win ratio there and use it against him. Just look at where Portsmouth ended up, and how Blackpool are going at the moment

Actually I agree about Portsmouth, but then by the same reckoning do we discount what he did at Notts when taking about his past career?

[Phileas Fogg]

10 minutes ago, City169 said:

(county?)

to an extent yes, they were being heavily backed at the time and he was there for about half a season so the plaudits should not all go to Cotterill for that. 

 

I agree, I think any manager who's at a club less than 20 games doesn't really 'count' so I include Stoke too earlier in his career. 

[Robbored]

9 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

One of the best, profound and funniest post that vibe seen on here for ages.

[Phileas Fogg]

5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

One of the best, profound and funniest post that vibe seen on here for ages.

You're easily amused then !

[Robbored]

1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said:

You're easily amused then !

You don't get it?

[Phileas Fogg]

2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

You don't get it?

I wouldn't say the opening post is particularly "funny" that's all 

[grove park city]

12 minutes ago, Jesus said:

I don't think I've ever been called a "glory supporter" before for supporting Bristol City! ha. 

Look, I don't think it's about people wanting City to win every week, but rather people not wanting to see us fall out of the league.  If it looked like we were going to get a mid-table finish, I genuinely think most fans would be more than happy. 

You've got 2 sets of supporters here.  Realists and Optimists. 

I fall on the realist side, so I look at cold hard facts.  

• Possession stats = worst in the league
• 4 wins in 21 = Relegation form 
• Out of every team in the league, we've had the most goals scored against us
• Out Manager says we aren't good enough
• We can't really change things due to the squad size
• Confidence is low 

How anyone can say that we aren't in serious trouble is beyond me!! It's all good putting your head in the sand, but the cold hard truth tells us that something needs to change.  Is a management change going to work? I don't know, but its one of the only things we can do to stop the rot.  I can't see how someone coming in with proven Championship experience can be anything other than positive? 

So you can stick your Chelsea, Manchester United, Tottenham, Liverpool, Manchester City and Arsenal up your arse. I'm a ******* proud Bristolian. The reason people are getting the way they are is not because they're "throwing in the towel", but because they're passionate enough to not want to see a club they love get relegated, which is clearly going to happen if things stay the same. 

 

8 hours ago, RumRed said:

Take a poll of the ages of people that have been critical all season vs the in 'Cotts we trust' crowd.

I think you'll find that the former are the been there, done that, seen it before and know what's coming generations (age 40 and up) I think it's the 'spoilt brats' that have only seen a few seasons that think if we go down we'll bounce straight back up (we won't) that are having the love in with a manager that can't cut it at this level.

City need to attract new eager supporters which isn't going to happen with this current shambles as Rum Red stated those of us above the 40/50 ect age bracket have seen countless cock ups akin to this latest episode,give this and that time to work stick with the players various boardroom plans and schemes that are going to improve a nearly always greatly under performing Bristol City FC .No long term City fan can be called a glory hunter i have been lucky to see City in the old top flight and in 2 league cup semi-finals taking away the odd play-off final which we have never won and to me the meaning less paintpot finals apart from the Bolton Wanderers 3-0 final which defined a spirit of the club from manager Terry Cooper ,players,board,staff and fans that will never be repeated and apart from last season City have been plain average to dreadful .

Jesus post is a clear thought out dreams vs facts review under John Ward and Benny the ball the whole season in the 2nd tier was a fiasco sign a range of forwards and hope for the best Ward admitted he needed help and got the push the rest is history this season is turning into a mirror image ,its clear that certain players are a shadow of last season Bryan,Freeman,Pack are average Agard,Burns and Wilbraham just aren't up to this league apart from Baker minus his stupid antics getting sent off the defence just hasn't performed.Korey Smith and Kodjia have played well but this team looks very poor.

    

[BobBobSuperBob]

12 minutes ago, grove park city said:

 

City need to attract new eager supporters which isn't going to happen with this current shambles as Rum Red stated those of us above the 40/50 ect age bracket have seen countless cock ups akin to this latest episode,give this and that time to work stick with the players various boardroom plans and schemes that are going to improve a nearly always greatly under performing Bristol City FC .No long term City fan can be called a glory hunter i have been lucky to see City in the old top flight and in 2 league cup semi-finals taking away the odd play-off final which we have never won and to me the meaning less paintpot finals apart from the Bolton Wanderers 3-0 final which defined a spirit of the club from manager Terry Cooper ,players,board,staff and fans that will never be repeated and apart from last season City have been plain average to dreadful .

Jesus post is a clear thought out dreams vs facts review under John Ward and Benny the ball the whole season in the 2nd tier was a fiasco sign a range of forwards and hope for the best Ward admitted he needed help and got the push the rest is history this season is turning into a mirror image ,its clear that certain players are a shadow of last season Bryan,Freeman,Pack are average Agard,Burns and Wilbraham just aren't up to this league apart from Baker minus his stupid antics getting sent off the defence just hasn't performed.Korey Smith and Kodjia have played well but this team looks very poor.

    

Very good post for me GPC 

You are close to me in age,  thinking and in geographical terms !

[BS4 on Tour...]

1 hour ago, City169 said:

Cotts has always been at a club that was either operating on 0 money (Pompey, Forest) at the time he was there, or with little to no budget while he was there, having to sell his star striker (Burnley). In fact, Cotterill helped in Pompey avoiding liquidation, and took Forest away from relegation to safety when he had the job there.

Not entirely true, he was at Forest for only seven months (in the 2011/12 season) and he took them down to 23rd place with runs including six defeats in seven games without scoring a goal (the other game was a nil nil draw) and then six consecutive home defeats which saw them sink to the bottom. Their formed improved a little from Feb 2012 and he took them up to 19th where they finished the season.

That is hardly him saving them from relegation, he just managed to clear up the mess a little that his team created while he was in charge...

[Guest welldonejames]

2 hours ago, Jesus said:

I don't think I've ever been called a "glory supporter" for supporting Bristol City! ha. 

Look, I don't think it's about people wanting City to win every week, but rather people not wanting to see us fall out of the league.  If it looked like we were going to get a mid-table finish, I genuinely think most fans would be more than happy. 

You've got 2 sets of supporters here.  Realists and Optimists. 

I fall on the realist side, so I look at cold hard facts.  

• Possession stats = worst in the league
• 4 wins in 21 = Relegation form 
• Out of every team in the league, we've had the most goals scored against us
• Our Manager says we aren't good enough
• We can't really change things due to the squad size
• Confidence is low 

How anyone can say that we aren't in serious trouble is beyond me!! It's all good putting your head in the sand, but the cold hard truth tells us that something needs to change.  Is a management change going to work? I don't know, but its one of the only things we can do to stop the rot.  I can't see how someone coming in with proven Championship experience can be anything other than positive? 

So you can stick your Chelsea, Manchester United, Tottenham, Liverpool, Manchester City and Arsenal up your arse. I'm a ******* proud Bristolian. The reason people are getting the way they are is not because they're "throwing in the towel", but because they're passionate enough to not want to see a club they love get relegated, which is clearly going to happen if things stay the same. 

 

[Guest welldonejames]

Absolutely spot on sums up the issues at this club perfectly 

 

[Nomad]

11 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not a happy clapper and I don't underestimate the improvements that we need to make, but seriously, reading half the posts on here....!

I think too many people have been spoiled by last season successes and are way to quick to be "throwing in the towel"

Its a new division, a tougher challenge, a harder task and we need to pull together. If you expect to win every week, go support Chelsea, oh hang on, make that Man Utd, no? Umm Liverpool/Arsenal/Tottenham/Man City...?

seems like most of you need a Leicester season ticket right now, to get what you want. 

NEWSFLASH- That won't last either! 

 

If you are in anyway upbeat about our performances this year coupled with Cotts uninspired team selections then you are a bit of a happy clapper.

I don't think anyone expects us to be winning every week but personally I expect more from a lot of the players, Cotts and the team as a whole. 

[Pezo]

2 hours ago, Jesus said:

I don't think I've ever been called a "glory supporter" for supporting Bristol City! ha. 

Look, I don't think it's about people wanting City to win every week, but rather people not wanting to see us fall out of the league.  If it looked like we were going to get a mid-table finish, I genuinely think most fans would be more than happy. 

You've got 2 sets of supporters here.  Realists and Optimists. 

I fall on the realist side, so I look at cold hard facts.  

• Possession stats = worst in the league
• 4 wins in 21 = Relegation form 
• Out of every team in the league, we've had the most goals scored against us
• Our Manager says we aren't good enough
• We can't really change things due to the squad size
• Confidence is low 

How anyone can say that we aren't in serious trouble is beyond me!! It's all good putting your head in the sand, but the cold hard truth tells us that something needs to change.  Is a management change going to work? I don't know, but its one of the only things we can do to stop the rot.  I can't see how someone coming in with proven Championship experience can be anything other than positive? 

So you can stick your Chelsea, Manchester United, Tottenham, Liverpool, Manchester City and Arsenal up your arse. I'm a ******* proud Bristolian. The reason people are getting the way they are is not because they're "throwing in the towel", but because they're passionate enough to not want to see a club they love get relegated, which is clearly going to happen if things stay the same. 

Disagree - the 2 types of supporters are either idealists or pragmatist, or they are optimists and pessimists

Anyway I thought you were supposed to be all about belief - I guess it all depends on what you believe in, I will have to have another look at this bible thing people talk about.

[Akira]

11 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

cmon spud you know as well as I do that to some people, city's actual results are just secondary to their own agenda. 

Ive been that guy, in the sod era, I'd have taken a hammering just so he'd **** off. no doubt some of the same is kicking about. 

Wow... 

You've just admitted to wanting us to lose?! 

What's wrong with you?! Regardless of who's in charge, the aim after 90 mins is to have more goals than the other team, irrelevant who is in charge or who scored, as long as it gets done. 

 

Why would any real fan want us to lose for heavens sake??? 

[BS4 on Tour...]

2 hours ago, City169 said:

when he got the job (14 Oct 2011) they were in 23rd. 

Ok, fair enough, perhaps I was being too harsh.

After a brief recovery when he took over he took them back to 23rd (in January 2012) and they eventually finished 19th.

[Aizoon]

1 hour ago, ten minutes of rough said:

Shouldn't it read Spoilt? 

Yes I know it's Bristol, but there is a significant  difference in meaning.

Nope. Spoiled as in "gone off".

[cider head]

Yes deffo spoiled last season as success comes round fewer times than halley's comet at Bristol City.

[WolfOfWestStreet]

1 hour ago, Akira said:

Wow... 

You've just admitted to wanting us to lose?! 

What's wrong with you?! Regardless of who's in charge, the aim after 90 mins is to have more goals than the other team, irrelevant who is in charge or who scored, as long as it gets done. 

 

Why would any real fan want us to lose for heavens sake??? 

Yeah 100% its got nothing to do with being a "real" fan or what ever that means. Sometimes when things are so shit and we're staring down the barrel of a double relegation it takes a trigger to make things better.

thankfully that happened and we got the right man in who sorted us out and took us up at the first attempt. 

This time I look at it differently, Steve has earned my respect and deserves the same back. Sod could just **** off.

[Lanterne Rouge]

9 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

Yeah 100% its got nothing to do with being a "real" fan or what ever that means. Sometimes when things are so shit and we're staring down the barrel of a double relegation it takes a trigger to make things better.

thankfully that happened and we got the right man in who sorted us out and took us up at the first attempt. 

This time I look at it differently, Steve has earned my respect and deserves the same back. Sod could just **** off.

Sorry to say, I sort of wanted us not to win when Pulis was here. I think a lot did if only they admitted it.

[Sixtyseconds]

Expect these anti Bristol Sport spoilt brats go in thecheap seats of the Eastend/Williams/Atyeo as well again don't they club rep?