CyderInACan Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 At some point, surely, Bristol Rugby will become a Premiership team (either through promotion - finally - or expansion) and be in a position to strengthen & become a force in European rugby. Contrast this with our current predicament and historical position as a predominantly 2nd/3rd tier club, I do wonder whether we as BCFC are in danger of becoming second fiddle to the rugby franchise. Should this be the case and Bristol continually ply their trade in the upper reaches of the Prem & Europe how does this effect us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Chalk and cheese. I doubt success of one would harm the other in the short to medium term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 1 hour ago, CyderInACan said: At some point, surely, Bristol Rugby will become a Premiership team (either through promotion - finally - or expansion) and be in a position to strengthen & become a force in European rugby. Contrast this with our current predicament and historical position as a predominantly 2nd/3rd tier club, I do wonder whether we as BCFC are in danger of becoming second fiddle to the rugby franchise. Should this be the case and Bristol continually ply their trade in the upper reaches of the Prem & Europe how does this effect us? We will always be a bigger deal than some shitty rugby set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Couldn't give a shit about the rugby but I do give a shit about ownership of AG and any future ramifications from a ownership point of view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 We want the rugby team to be successful, don't we? More income = better for Bristol Sport = better for BCFC. It's a win-win, but feel free to complain about it - this is OTIB after all! Merry Christmas! Uncle TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted December 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 3 minutes ago, Rouge Sans Pareil said: We will always be a bigger deal than some shitty rugby set up. You reckon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 OK. How big is too big?? Uncle TFR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 4 minutes ago, Taxi for Rennie said: We want the rugby team to be successful, don't we? More income = better for Bristol Sport = better for BCFC. It's a win-win, but feel free to complain about it - this is OTIB after all! Merry Christmas! Uncle TFR Will you stop talking sense, TFR, FFS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 6 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: You reckon? Even as a 3rd/4th div team we got way better attendances. Rugby is a minority interest...most people don't give a flying ***k about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 With respect, you made a sweeping statement..."WHEN the rugby club overtake us". My sweeping statement is "not a ******g chance". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 No chance. They will never earn as much money as us. Ever. The funding for rugby isn't there like it is for football. In terms of success? Yes, because to break into the elite of football requires billions. Rugby probably doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Rugby is a nothing sport in England. I live in Wales and tried explaining this to a friend who was over for a stag weekend when England were playing Wales a couple of years back. He didn't believe me when I stated that if there was football on the telly he would struggle to find a pub showing the rugby. When I saw him a week later he said he couldn't believe how the English couldn't give a shit about rugby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 If we had a ladies water polo team, they may become more successful than us, but who would care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCulturalBomb Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 2 teams. 2 sets of fans. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 2 minutes ago, BS3_RED said: Rugby is a nothing sport in England. I live in Wales and tried explaining this to a friend who was over for a stag weekend when England were playing Wales a couple of years back. He didn't believe me when I stated that if there was football on the telly he would struggle to find a pub showing the rugby. When I saw him a week later he said he couldn't believe how the English couldn't give a shit about rugby Very few countries give a tinker's cuss about 15 men and a bar of soap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 The mere fact Bristol find it so easy to top the championship in rugby season after season shows that compared to football it is not popular and therefore nowhere near as competitive. There are only a handful of rugby clubs that can regularly draw crowds in excess of 10,000 for goodness sake. Bristol City in the Championship and even back in league one would still pull in bigger crowds than Bristol in the rugby premier. I seriously believe that those amongst us who like rugby are deluded about its place in the hierarchy of British sport and its popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Our only concern should ever be the welfare of the pitch. As long as this holds up, I am happy. I would still prefer that SL buys the Mem, evicts the gas, and then develops that stadium for the rugby club. It should be the home of Bristol Rugby. Then we know that our pitch would be reserved for the game of football and nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Sorry mate, but I don't buy that. I'd argue that Gloucester RFC are bigger than Bristol, but I could not see them topping 15k much, even if the capacity of Kingsholm was greater. Sorry, replying to Bill Wedlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 The average attendance in the Rugby Prem last season was approx. 13,500 per game. The average attendance in football league 1 was approx. 7,000 per game. So Rugby is not to be sniffed at. The interest in Rugby and Cricket in this country is massive, especially Internationally. Where I live...it's hard to find football being played in the pubs...but Rugby is on all the time...with people watching. Rugby and Cricket where I live is far more widely played as well over football. I think it depends where you live to get a gauge on interest in football over Rugby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 2 hours ago, Barrs Court Red said: Chalk and cheese. I doubt success of one would harm the other in the short to medium term. More likely to spur on the other code's team. Also note that until professionalism entered rugby, Bristol were by a long way the biggest club of the three. They supplied more players to England than the others put together. Unfortunately the old buffoons who ran Bris when the game went professional, dithered and seemed to want amateurism to stay, whereas Bath and Gloucester were up to speed on what was needed. In some ways City and Bris have mirrored each other in the last thirty years. Lack of management planning, lack of ambition and so on. At least now with SL and Bristol Sport, there appears to be some sense of direction off the field even if both are still playing catch up on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshy Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 12 minutes ago, spudski said: 12 minutes ago, spudski said: The average attendance in the Rugby Prem last season was approx. 13,500 per game. The average attendance in football league 1 was approx. 7,000 per game. So Rugby is not to be sniffed at. The interest in Rugby and Cricket in this country is massive, especially Internationally. Where I live...it's hard to find football being played in the pubs...but Rugby is on all the time...with people watching. Rugby and Cricket where I live is far more widely played as well over football. I think it depends where you live to get a gauge on interest in football over Rugby. They probably can't find a skittle alley big enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 16 minutes ago, spudski said: The average attendance in the Rugby Prem last season was approx. 13,500 per game. The average attendance in football league 1 was approx. 7,000 per game. So Rugby is not to be sniffed at. The interest in Rugby and Cricket in this country is massive, especially Internationally. Where I live...it's hard to find football being played in the pubs...but Rugby is on all the time...with people watching. Rugby and Cricket where I live is far more widely played as well over football. I think it depends where you live to get a gauge on interest in football over Rugby. I come from Gloucester, where rugger buggery is pretty big, but I still think if Glos had a half decent football team, they would challenge the grunters. That is, if you could persuade all the bloody Man yoo tossers to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 8 minutes ago, Rouge Sans Pareil said: I come from Gloucester, where rugger buggery is pretty big, but I still think if Glos had a half decent football team, they would challenge the grunters. That is, if you could persuade all the bloody Man yoo tossers to go! Hard to break tradition in areas fella. FGR moving nearer Glos might get some extra followers...and Cheltenham isn't that far either. If Bristol Rugby were to get into the Prem, then I believe attendances would increase significantly. 16 minutes ago, marshy said: Not one Skittle Alley in any of the pubs near me. Proper old village boozers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 I agree with you Spudski. 15,000 is not an unrealistic target for the first season up. What happens thereafter will shape the future. Struggle and gates may drop but be a success, I wonder how many floaters would desert Bath to watch Prem rugby in a modern, well appointed stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 If Bristol go up I'd imagine an average of 20k, as games v Bath, Glos and possibly Exeter and Leicester will be close to selling out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten minutes of rough Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 1 hour ago, BS3_RED said: Rugby is a nothing sport in England. I live in Wales and tried explaining this to a friend who was over for a stag weekend when England were playing Wales a couple of years back. He didn't believe me when I stated that if there was football on the telly he would struggle to find a pub showing the rugby. When I saw him a week later he said he couldn't believe how the English couldn't give a shit about rugby What a load of rubbish, Rugby matters a lot too many in England, its a huge game, both Union and League. The English Union game is the richest in the World, so you really need to think about editing that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 I have just done an quick internet trawl for numbers taking part on a regular basis in England. Football 1.8 million. No data on gender. Rugby 1.5 million male and 0.5 million female. I presume this is Union but could include Rugby League. These figures may or may not be current or absolutely accurate but do indicate a sizeable numbers for both codes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 5 hours ago, BS3_RED said: Rugby is a nothing sport in England. I live in Wales and tried explaining this to a friend who was over for a stag weekend when England were playing Wales a couple of years back. He didn't believe me when I stated that if there was football on the telly he would struggle to find a pub showing the rugby. When I saw him a week later he said he couldn't believe how the English couldn't give a shit about rugby Are you really claiming that someone would struggle to find a pub showing an England v Wales rugby match if there was a football match on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 3 hours ago, spudski said: The average attendance in the Rugby Prem last season was approx. 13,500 per game. The average attendance in football league 1 was approx. 7,000 per game. So Rugby is not to be sniffed at. The interest in Rugby and Cricket in this country is massive, especially Internationally. Where I live...it's hard to find football being played in the pubs...but Rugby is on all the time...with people watching. Rugby and Cricket where I live is far more widely played as well over football. I think it depends where you live to get a gauge on interest in football over Rugby. How can you compare the premiership of rugby with the third tier of football for attendances? Bristol in the premiership rarely got 10,000 and averaged about 6,000. Their highest attendances were a couple of games against the likes of Bath at AG, where the attendance was boosted by a majority of Bath followers, the first attracted 21,00 and the second only 16,000, once the novelty wore off. If there were more games to pay for as in football, no doubt the attendance would drop accordingly. As I understand it, Bristol are struggling to get 7,000 though the turnstiles and they only really increase when the play offs come along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 5 minutes ago, Rich said: How can you compare the premiership of rugby with the third tier of football for attendances? Bristol in the premiership rarely got 10,000 and averaged about 6,000. Their highest attendances were a couple of games against the likes of Bath at AG, where the attendance was boosted by a majority of Bath followers, the first attracted 21,00 and the second only 16,000, once the novelty wore off. If there were more games to pay for as in football, no doubt the attendance would drop accordingly. As I understand it, Bristol are struggling to get 7,000 though the turnstiles and they only really increase when the play offs come along. Quiet easily...as you pointed out Bristol Rugby crowds aren't far off the average of league 1 crowds...of which BCFC have spent many years in. It would be ridiculous to just dismiss the Rugby as a stream of revenue...especially beer sales. Ticket prices seem higher too... There are many Rugby fans in and around Clifton...make Bristol a Prem team and people will come. I've heard many fans from around that part of Bristol who hated going to the mem.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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